Entering Thailand after deportation

[cecilie Hansen]

Hi everyone. 

I'm looking to go back to Thailand for 3-4 weeks in January, but I'm scared of booking the very expensive tickets, since I’m having problems with immigration every time I enter. 

Long story short:

A couple of years ago I was in Thailand a lot. I did what they described as a visa run (back and forth from Malaysia), and they deported me. At least I think it was a deportation and not a refusal of entry, but I'm actually not sure. I was sent back to Malaysia to get the proper visa.

Ever since I’ve had problems entering. I eventually get in, but I’m always in the immigration office for an hour. I have a new passport, but they see it in the system. Last time I only got in, because they saw I was renting a studio from a local. 

it’s a lot of money to go back, so I want to research if there’s anything to do - I don’t really wanna chance it. I’ve seen there as certain rules for overstay, but can’t find anything for deportation or refusal of entry.

Anyone tried this or know what I can do? 

 

Thank you 

 

[FritsSikkink]

If they didn't give you a stamp to enter Thailand, you were refused entry.

If you are in the country on a visa or visa exempt and they kick you out, you are deported. 

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If they didn't give you a stamp to enter Thailand, you were refused entry.

If you are in the country on a visa or visa exempt and they kick you out, you are deported. 

And if he was deported back to whence he came his passport would have that lovely red stamp indicating such.

[richard_smith237]

It seems she (Cecile I assume is a females name) was not deported, but refused entry at the Malaysian land border. 

 

The main question is.... How long has Cecile been outside of Thailand ?... i.e. a few weeks or a year or more ?

 

I think the best recommendation for Cecile is to get the correct Visa... in this case, if not working etc... that would be a Tourist Visa.

 

I can’t see why she should be rejected if she has not been in Thailand for a year or so - unless of course there is something else not being told. 

[cecilie Hansen]

Hi again 

Yes I'm a female ???? 

I was refused at Phuket airport. They took my passport and escorted me to a plane to go back to KL. They said I did a visa-run and told me the two weeks I was in Vietnam previously was also a visa run (it wasn't, meeting a friend from back home). They told me to get the right visa in Malaysia. I got it, but when I got back to Phuket airport, I had to convince them again. 

Basically, they thought I had too many stamps, but even the immigration in KL was confused, they didn't understand / didn't think I had a lot of stamps. I'll try to find my old passport and see what it says. I remember they gave me a stamp and there was also a piece of paper attached, that I don't longer have. Which I'm affraid means deportation. 

I'm trying to give all info here, so I can get the best advice - not trying to keep anything untold. 

I haven't been in Thailand since the end of 2019. I could apply for a visa, but that also looks weird, since I have to be there for less than 30 days.  

Is there anyway to get insight into what is says in the system? or help? 

[mikebike]

7 minutes ago, cecilie Hansen said:

but that also looks weird, since I have to be there for less than 30 days.  

No it doesn't. Visa exempt entry is convenient, but having the correct visa never looks weird to immigration! Small price to pay for peace of mind when you are coughing up for flights and accoms!

[ubonjoe]

Have you had a visa (tourist) for entry to Thailand or were you entering visa exempt?

If visa exempt I suggest you apply for a tourist visa before entering the country.

[ChaiyaTH]

It's like having a bad credit score, you need to build up your rep again and do what they told you that day; get a visa when coming back.

[richard_smith237]

28 minutes ago, cecilie Hansen said:

I haven't been in Thailand since the end of 2019. I could apply for a visa, but that also looks weird, since I have to be there for less than 30 days.  

So you haven’t been to Thailand for nearly 3 years....  

 

It would be extremely strange of Immigration to refuse your entry, even with a Visa exempt. 

As UJ and others mentioned, getting a Tourist Visa makes things a little more ‘proper’ (if that makes sense).

 

 

Going back it seems that Immigration in Phuket were being total d!cks to refuse your entry, unless you have back to back Visa Exempt entries i.e. (more than 3 in a row over the previous 6 months or something similar) - Immigration have gone through spells of that. Additionally, some Imm-Officers can be downright difficult...  (most are not thought). 

 

IF you are really concerned, perhaps plan your trip to fly into Suvarnabumi where the officers are more ‘by the book’ and less likely to play the rules by their own bias or judgement.

 

 

 

 

[Sparktrader]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

So you haven’t been to Thailand for nearly 3 years....  

 

It would be extremely strange of Immigration to refuse your entry, even with a Visa exempt. 

As UJ and others mentioned, getting a Tourist Visa makes things a little more ‘proper’ (if that makes sense).

 

 

Going back it seems that Immigration in Phuket were being total d!cks to refuse your entry, unless you have back to back Visa Exempt entries i.e. (more than 3 in a row over the previous 6 months or something similar) - Immigration have gone through spells of that. Additionally, some Imm-Officers can be downright difficult...  (most are not thought). 

 

IF you are really concerned, perhaps plan your trip to fly into Suvarnabumi where the officers are more ‘by the book’ and less likely to play the rules by their own bias or judgement.

 

 

 

 

Phuket and Chiang Mai was easy. I cant see how BKK is better, more strict I would expect.

 

Maybe try a male. Guys dont care as much. We just think about 2 things.

[Sparktrader]

90/180 was the limit in past on ve. No rules now. Id go to Krabi or CM if avoiding Phuket.

[ChaiyaTH]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

IF you are really concerned, perhaps plan your trip to fly into Suvarnabumi where the officers are more ‘by the book’ and less likely to play the rules by their own bias or judgement.

Won't matter where she enters, she will have this note in the most recent history attached to her name. By getting a proper visa and entering, then building up new recent history, it would stop happening.

 

This is common, also happens after the 1y blacklist overstay which I did on purpose to get a break from TH 5 years ago. After 3-4 visa / extensions never heard of it again. I still use the same passport with the red stamp in it too.

Edited November 20, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[Mickeymaus]

When I was much younger ????, I couldn't get a Retirement Extension because I wasn't 50 yet. So I did many flights from Thailand to Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, Philippines and back to Thailand after a while.  One day I got this message stamped next to my Thai visa - see picture ????????????. But in the same year I became 50 ????????????. So you might get problems if you stay here too many days with the wrong visas. 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Mickeymaus

[Sparktrader]

Try applying for new passport

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Try applying for new passport

Perhaps change Names, DOB and Nationality too...     

 

 

In short - when we enter Thailand on a different passport, because our Name and DOB is the same our data still pops up on the Immigration screen. Thus, when entering with a New Passport, all your data is still in the system (going back to 2012)...   even when the passport number is different and the nationality is different...  the Name and DOB are key identifiers.

 

There may be others who coincidentally have the same name and DOB in the Immigration system, if so, the officer can also cross check the photo.

 

 

So no...  a new passport will not make a difference. 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

39 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

This is common, also happens after the 1y blacklist overstay which I did on purpose to get a break from TH 5 years ago. After 3-4 visa / extensions never heard of it again. I still use the same passport with the red stamp in it too.

You deliberately overstayed to get black-listed to force you to stay out of Thailand ??? - kind of like going ‘cold-turkey’ ???......  

 

 

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

OP should apply at the Thai consulate in their home country for the proper 60 day tourist visa sticker, as another poster showed. This requires mailing them your passport, paying the fee, filling out the paperwork, showing bank acct info. This would be the best thing to show up in Thailand with.

 

After this, OP should be looking for shake their "visa run reputation", as someone said like a credit score, by getting some kind of long term visa that's not another tourist visa. They're probably not old enough for retirement. But they do seem to communicate well in English. And they are female.

 

So, what they should do next is then walk into any school up in Issan, the Northeast, and ask to be an English teacher. There is still high demand. Females are preferred to work with the younger children where there is the most demand. And they're preferred over us guys who are generally seen to be in Thailand for the wrong reasons. The school will give her a one year Non-B. Cheers.

[Sparktrader]

4 weeks you dont need a visa. I wouldnt worry about 3 years ago. Why would they ban you for 5 years? Dress well, dont start an argument. Smile sawadee kha, khorp khun kha. You are in.

 

How hard is it? 

[Sparktrader]

https://www.hawryluklegal.com/2015/04/how-deportation-works-in-thailand/

[Sparktrader]

14 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

OP should apply at the Thai consulate in their home country for the proper 60 day tourist visa sticker, as another poster showed. This requires mailing them your

Not for a 4 week stay. 45 days is visa exempt. They kicked her out 3 years ago. Her story doesnt sound 100% to me but if minor, 3 years ago is forgotten.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

4 weeks you dont need a visa. I wouldnt worry about 3 years ago. Why would they ban you for 5 years? Dress well, dont start an argument. Smile sawadee kha, khorp khun kha. You are in.

 

How hard is it? 

This hard apparently (below) - which is why she’s forced to ask the question on here !!!

 

5 hours ago, cecilie Hansen said:

Ever since I’ve had problems entering. I eventually get in, but I’m always in the immigration office for an hour.

4 hours ago, cecilie Hansen said:

They said I did a visa-run and told me the two weeks I was in Vietnam previously was also a visa run (it wasn't, meeting a friend from back home)

 

 

[Sparktrader]

5 hours ago, cecilie Hansen said:

Ever since I’ve had problems entering. I eventually get in,

Given covid lockdowns I wonder when these trips were?

[Sparktrader]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

This hard apparently (below) - which is why she’s forced to ask the question on here !!!

 

 

 

How many trips last 3 years?

Last trip was?

 

The story isnt clear. All too vague. 

 

1 hour of questions by IO is not normal.

 

Something she is not saying.

[Lemsta69]

6 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

The story isnt clear. All too vague. 

Not for the old hands on here who know how to read between the lines. You should stick to what you're good at, where to get the cheapest hotel rooms in the boonies (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Edited November 20, 2022 by Lemsta69

[Sparktrader]

3 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

Not for the old hands on here who know how to read between the lines. You should stick to what you're good at, where to get the cheapest hotel rooms in the boonies (not that there's anything wrong with that).

So what do you is going on here? Working illegally? Dive instructor?

 

Phuket has diving. Phi Phi has faranfs working in dive shops.

 

Thats my reading between the lines. 

 

 

 

 

[Chelseafan]

4 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Phuket and Chiang Mai was easy. I cant see how BKK is better, more strict I would expect.

 

Maybe try a male. Guys dont care as much. We just think about 2 things.

 

What's the other ?

 

[Sparktrader]

4 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

What's the other ?

 

Other what?

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

You're not your

Now youse the grammar police, such a wild yute.

[Chelseafan]

Just now, Sparktrader said:

Other what?

You said two things. I can only think of one ????

 

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, Chelseafan said:

You said two things. I can only think of one ????

 

What's the one thing?