More refreshing (and surprising) honesty from mainstream media.

[248900_1469958220]

I am noticing more and more of this lately....I wonder who is going to get thrown under the bus? There has been a SICKENING level of censorship revolving around the Covid vaccines. Here again is an article from MAINSTREAM MEDIA. I ask it NOT be taken down.  Here is a credible source admitting Australian doctors have been told to shut up about vaccine injuries......this is not an isolated incident, we ALL know this, though some really dont like to admit it. 

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/ask-ahpra-dr-kerryn-phelps-doesnt-know-why-regulator-silenced-doctors-on-vaccine-injuries/news-story/a731a655120649f913c8170bfbf1bb96?amp

[rattlesnake]

As expected it is finally starting to come out… and getting increasingly harder to deny.

[248900_1469958220]

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

As expected it is finally starting to come out… and getting increasingly harder to deny.

Yes, I get the feeling we have  been getting drip fed information....but its starting to speed up. Bangkok Post the other day had an article about vaccines that you wouldnt have read a year ago. I dont think any of it is just coincidence. Those that have been in control of the narrative surrounding Covid have obviously realised that they cant keep the cat in the bag forever......

 

Look for some scapegoats to be paraded over the coming months.....certain groups/ individuals to be thrown under the bus......but not Pfizer...oh no, not them. 

 

This 'trial' has had consequences. 

[rumak]

58 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Yes, I get the feeling we have  been getting drip fed information....but its starting to speed up. Bangkok Post the other day had an article about vaccines that you wouldnt have read a year ago. I dont think any of it is just coincidence. Those that have been in control of the narrative surrounding Covid have obviously realised that they cant keep the cat in the bag forever......

 

Look for some scapegoats to be paraded over the coming months.....certain groups/ individuals to be thrown under the bus......but not Pfizer...oh no, not them. 

 

This 'trial' has had consequences. 

Great to see some people  "coming around"  to reading , and being allowed to read,  studies and opinions and real life experiences of some formerly ridiculed and censored people.  Including some very highly trained and leaders in their fields .  

Rumak applauds any site that allows these honest narratives,  honest questions,  and honest facts.

Unfortunately humans HATE to admit they might have been misled.  Maybe even lied to .  After all, don't we all trust explicitly these politicians and paid for shills that have put the lid on everything,  punishing those who want to be heard.   So what if the pharma companies have been fined millions and millions of dollars before for fraudulent practices ?   Surely they are trusted now.

There are so many true stories about the harm being done .   You will not find it on Facebook or google.   Just as Twitter has revealed....... they were being told by the government what is allowed to be presented,  and by whom.   Is that how the TRUTH usually works?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

Great to see some people  "coming around"  to reading , and being allowed to read,  studies and opinions and real life experiences of some formerly ridiculed and censored people.  Including some very highly trained and leaders in their fields .  

Rumak applauds any site that allows these honest narratives,  honest questions,  and honest facts.

Unfortunately humans HATE to admit they might have been misled.  Maybe even lied to .  After all, don't we all trust explicitly these politicians and paid for shills that have put the lid on everything,  punishing those who want to be heard.   So what if the pharma companies have been fined millions and millions of dollars before for fraudulent practices ?   Surely they are trusted now.

There are so many true stories about the harm being done .   You will not find it on Facebook or google.   Just as Twitter has revealed....... they were being told by the government what is allowed to be presented,  and by whom.   Is that how the TRUTH usually works?

1. It's against forum rules to bold print.

 

2. Nobody is Australia is prohibited from reading anything.

 

3. This person is just searching for relevance having lost her bid for a parliamentary seat at the last election. The chances that both she and her wife both suffering debilitating effects of the vaccine have to be vanishingly small given the reported statistics.

Edited December 21, 2022 by ozimoron

[rumak]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

1. It's against forum rules to bold print.

 

2. Nobody is Australia is prohibited from reading anything.

is it against forum rules to pretend you are a moderator ?   stop hating so much and read up.    read the whole article 

dailysceptic.org/2022/12/20/top-australian-do

Edited December 21, 2022 by rumak

[ozimoron]

41 minutes ago, rumak said:

is it against forum rules to pretend you are a moderator ?   stop hating so much and read up.    read the whole article 

dailysceptic.org/2022/12/20/top-australian-do

I read the whole article. I always read every link. Do you?

 

The article is from the Murdoch press. Known for peddling anti-vax rubbish and click bait to the right wing.

Edited December 21, 2022 by ozimoron

[Eleftheros]

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

As expected it is finally starting to come out… and getting increasingly harder to deny.

Lots of perpetrators know that the game is now up and are trying to rewrite history to pretend they were always against lockdowns, suppression and mandated vaccinations.

 

Those who can't claim that because their fingerprints are too obvious will peddle the line that they had been "acting in our best interests all along."

 

Just like in 1946 when every French person claimed to have been in the Resistance.

[rattlesnake]

14 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Lots of perpetrators know that the game is now up and are trying to rewrite history to pretend they were always against lockdowns, suppression and mandated vaccinations.

 

Those who can't claim that because their fingerprints are too obvious will peddle the line that they had been "acting in our best interests all along."

 

Just like in 1946 when every French person claimed to have been in the Resistance.

Indeed, and a lot of this forum's users are going to become strangely silent, all of a sudden.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

1. It's against forum rules to bold print.

 

 

Which forum rule is that ?

There is an option to post in bold in the reply box

Is it against forum rules to use that option ?

Edited December 21, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus
Edited to remove the bold letters

[Rimmer]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Which forum rule is that ?

There is an option to post in bold in the reply box

Is it against forum rules to use that option ?

 

To be found at the bottom of rules under  Standards of Conduct:

 

5. Do not post text with all capital letters or with over-sized fonts, bold fonts, non-standard fonts, colored fonts or unusually large emojis. Do not use emojis or any other form of graphics in the title of your poll or topic.

[rumak]

i think the excellent remark I made about seeking relevance will be understood by all .    No need to go into any more details as another poster had a great response already.

Edited December 21, 2022 by rumak

[CharlieH]

Off topic remarks removed.

[Eleftheros]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Indeed, and a lot of this forum's users are going to become strangely silent, all of a sudden.

I hope not, as I think their perspective on this unmitigated disaster will be crucial.

 

I don't see them as opponents or enemies. We were (and still are) all rats in a cage, subjected to a sustained, vicious and very sophisticated propaganda campaign. Many people went along with the propaganda, and some decided not to.

 

The Covid-induced pantomime is not over; we're just in a 'phoney war' stage. The restrictions that were brought in for Covid are going to be replayed over influenza, RSV, climate change and other issues deemed to be  "for the greater good".

 

The more people who fell for Covid propaganda who now realize what a crock of s**t the whole thing was, and decide to speak out against it, the better.

[Bkk Brian]

Dr Phelps now getting online abuse and hate speech directed at her

"Other anti-vaxxers flooded social media using Dr Phelps' submission as evidence they were right to refuse the jab, and attacked her for pushing the vaccine throughout the pandemic."

 

Anti-vaxxers gloat that Kerryn Phelps and her wife suffering horrific Covid vaccine side effects means their wacky conspiracies were RIGHT - as they make chilling claims about the jab

Anti-vaxxers have quickly hijacked Dr Kerryn Phelp's revelation that she and her wife suffered serious Covid vaccine side effects.

The former head of the Australian Medical Association detailed the debilitating adverse reactions in her submission to a Senate inquiry into long Covid.

However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11560629/Coivd-anti-vaxxers-hijack-Kerryn-Phelps-Pfizer-jab-injury-story.html

 

I would suggest if anyone wants the context to the media reports then they read her full submission which was made as a private individual to the senate, not under her authority of her position. That does not make it any less credible however but for those that want to read what she actually said, the full 18 pages then I suggest you do before getting into the anti vaccine rhetoric, because she is not that at all.

 

The main theme of her submission is dealing with transmission, mismanagement of long covid caused by infection and vaccine along with measures to reduce the continued risk of covid, that includes vaccination but more importantly other health measures.

 

Some snippets, its a downloadable pdf doc so free to publish and read.

 

Many of my colleagues and I tried to warn that children would be at risk and that opening schools before mitigation plans such as ventilation improvements in classrooms were in place was an unacceptable risk to teachers and students.

 

Examples of misinformation in the early days, and some still in circulation include:
“COVID is not airborne”xiii. Wrong.
“Wash your hands to prevent transmission”. Ignored airborne transmission.
“Masks don’t work, in fact they might increase your risk”xiv. Wrong.
“Children under 12 have been proven not to be carriers or transmitters of the
disease”xv Wrong.
“It is necessary and inevitable for everyone to get COVID”xvi. No it isn’t.
“Herd immunity from mass infection is a good idea.”xvii No it isn’t.
“It’s just a cold”. No it is not.
“COVID will evolve to be milder”. There is no evidence to support this.
“COVID is not as bad as the flu”. Yes it is.
“At least I got it over and done with”. No you haven’t.
“Children are sicker this year because of immunity debt”xviii. Immunity debt is a made-up
term to excuse exposing children to a dangerous virus.
“The pandemic will end in 2022”xix. Unlikely.
Daily press conferences by public health officials emphasised that of the people who died,
many had “underlying health issues”, as if that made the premature deaths of those people
any less tragic.

 

Dr Anthony Fauci labelled Long COVID an “insidious public health emergency for millions of people”vi. I tend to agree

 

While current COVID vaccines may reduce the risk of developing Long COVID by an estimated 15% (possibly up to 41%). 

 

The upshot is.. the only way to prevent Long COVID is to not get infected in the first place, or not to get reinfected.

 

“Personal responsibility” has become a political cop-out and this failed strategy will lead to more and more cases of COVID19, reinfection and Long COVID.

 

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Health_Aged_Care_and_Sport/LongandrepeatedCOVID/Submissions

 

Doc 510

Edited December 21, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[MichaelHunt]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

1. It's against forum rules to bold print. 

 

2. Nobody is Australia is prohibited from reading anything. 

 

3. This person is just searching for relevance having lost her bid for a parliamentary seat at the last election. The chances that both she and her wife both suffering debilitating effects of the vaccine have to be vanishingly small given the reported statistics. 

 

1. It's against forum rules to bold print. 

 

This is a comment of someone who has run out of arguments.

 

2. Nobody is Australia is prohibited from reading anything. 

 

Yes they are. They are prohibited from reading everything that is not allowed to be written due to censorship.

 

3. This person is just searching for relevance having lost her bid for a parliamentary seat at the last election. The chances that both she and her wife both suffering debilitating effects of the vaccine have to be vanishingly small given the reported statistics. 

 

Correct - as you say - "given the REPORTED statistics". But given the true numbers, which, again, we don't get to see without really searching for them due to massive censorship, the debilitating effects of the vaccines are staggeringly high. If the risks were really as "vanishingly small" as you say they are, what is the probability that two people in the same family, as it were, would both be suffering debilitating effects from the "vaccine"? I would say the odds of a safe vaccine affecting two people in the same family would be vanishingly small.

Edited December 21, 2022 by MichaelHunt

[rumak]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Dr Phelps now getting online abuse and hate speech directed at her

"Other anti-vaxxers flooded social media using Dr Phelps' submission as evidence they were right to refuse the jab, and attacked her for pushing the vaccine throughout the pandemic."

 

Anti-vaxxers gloat that Kerryn Phelps and her wife suffering horrific Covid vaccine side effects means their wacky conspiracies were RIGHT - as they make chilling claims about the jab

Anti-vaxxers have quickly hijacked Dr Kerryn Phelp's revelation that she and her wife suffered serious Covid vaccine side effects.

The former head of the Australian Medical Association detailed the debilitating adverse reactions in her submission to a Senate inquiry into long Covid.

However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11560629/Coivd-anti-vaxxers-hijack-Kerryn-Phelps-Pfizer-jab-injury-story.html

 

I would suggest if anyone wants the context to the media reports then they read her full submission which was made as a private individual to the senate, not under her authority of her position. That does not make it any less credible however but for those that want to read what she actually said, the full 18 pages then I suggest you do before getting into the anti vaccine rhetoric, because she is not that at all.

 

The main theme of her submission is dealing with transmission, mismanagement of long covid caused by infection and vaccine along with measures to reduce the continued risk of covid, that includes vaccination but more importantly other health measures.

 

Some snippets, its a downloadable pdf doc so free to publish and read.

 

Many of my colleagues and I tried to warn that children would be at risk and that opening schools before mitigation plans such as ventilation improvements in classrooms were in place was an unacceptable risk to teachers and students.

 

Examples of misinformation in the early days, and some still in circulation include:
“COVID is not airborne”xiii. Wrong.
“Wash your hands to prevent transmission”. Ignored airborne transmission.
“Masks don’t work, in fact they might increase your risk”xiv. Wrong.
“Children under 12 have been proven not to be carriers or transmitters of the
disease”xv Wrong.
“It is necessary and inevitable for everyone to get COVID”xvi. No it isn’t.
“Herd immunity from mass infection is a good idea.”xvii No it isn’t.
“It’s just a cold”. No it is not.
“COVID will evolve to be milder”. There is no evidence to support this.
“COVID is not as bad as the flu”. Yes it is.
“At least I got it over and done with”. No you haven’t.
“Children are sicker this year because of immunity debt”xviii. Immunity debt is a made-up
term to excuse exposing children to a dangerous virus.
“The pandemic will end in 2022”xix. Unlikely.
Daily press conferences by public health officials emphasised that of the people who died,
many had “underlying health issues”, as if that made the premature deaths of those people
any less tragic.

 

Dr Anthony Fauci labelled Long COVID an “insidious public health emergency for millions of people”vi. I tend to agree

 

While current COVID vaccines may reduce the risk of developing Long COVID by an estimated 15% (possibly up to 41%). 

 

The upshot is.. the only way to prevent Long COVID is to not get infected in the first place, or not to get reinfected.

 

“Personal responsibility” has become a political cop-out and this failed strategy will lead to more and more cases of COVID19, reinfection and Long COVID.

 

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Health_Aged_Care_and_Sport/LongandrepeatedCOVID/Submissions

 

Doc 510

The covid narrative,  paid for by big pharma,  has billions of dollars to "subsidize"  studies, endorse politicians . pay off the media. etc.    Is that a conspiracy theory?   Heck,  their marketing wizards even came up with that psychology.   The brave people who speak up are silenced.... but their initial responses are still on record.   I will go with what Ms Phelps said .... before the spin afterwords began.  Not by the anti-vaxxers,  but by the same people who have lied for 3 years .  Her words:

“I have had CT pulmonary angiogram, ECG, blood tests, cardiac echogram, transthoracic cardiac stress echo, Holter monitor, blood pressure monitoring and autonomic testing,” she wrote.

“In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure fluctuations.”

Dr. Phelps said both reactions were reported to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) “but never followed up”.

She revealed she had spoken with other doctors “who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent adverse event” but that “vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about”.

“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the Government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,” she wrote.

Doesn't sound like she is promoting the vaccine to me.  But ,  threats can do an awful lot to change one's words.  But i for one am not falling for it.  Amazing that people still do .

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, rumak said:

The covid narrative,  paid for by big pharma,  has billions of dollars to "subsidize"  studies, endorse politicians . pay off the media. etc.    Is that a conspiracy theory?   Heck,  their marketing wizards even came up with that psychology.   The brave people who speak up are silenced.... but their initial responses are still on record.   I will go with what Ms Phelps said .... before the spin afterwords began.  Not by the anti-vaxxers,  but by the same people who have lied for 3 years .  Her words:

“I have had CT pulmonary angiogram, ECG, blood tests, cardiac echogram, transthoracic cardiac stress echo, Holter monitor, blood pressure monitoring and autonomic testing,” she wrote.

“In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure fluctuations.”

Dr. Phelps said both reactions were reported to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) “but never followed up”.

She revealed she had spoken with other doctors “who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent adverse event” but that “vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about”.

“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the Government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,” she wrote.

Doesn't sound like she is promoting the vaccine to me.  But ,  threats can do an awful lot to change one's words.  But i for one am not falling for it.  Amazing that people still do .

You obviously did'nt read her full submission. 

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, MichaelHunt said:

would say the odds of a safe vaccine affecting two people in the same family would be vanishingly small.

And I would say the chances of two closely related people having the same reaction to a drug are quite high. It's in their genes. 

 

In fact back in the UK both of a pals daughters were severely disabled by whooping cough vaccine, which is widely considered as completely safe. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by BritManToo

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

And I would say the chances of two closely related people having the same reaction to a drug are quite high. It's in their genes. 

One would hope they aren't closely related at all. Either that or you completely misunderstand how genes work. They're married, not sisters.

[MichaelHunt]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And I would say the chances of two closely related people having the same reaction to a drug are quite high. It's in their genes. 

But it's not in the genes of two women who are closely related due to being married.

[Eleftheros]

4 minutes ago, rumak said:

Doesn't sound like she is promoting the vaccine to me.  But ,  threats can do an awful lot to change one's words.  But i for one am not falling for it.  Amazing that people still do .

I don't find it at all amazing.

 

Many people have believed - perhaps all their lives - that their governments truly care about them and have the competence to better their lives.

 

They now have to face the awful reality that that belief was built on sand, that they are regarded as no better than livestock, to be tabulated in a government spreadsheet created and run by mediocre fools.

 

That is a devastating and painful realization, and I am not at all surprised that people cannot admit it to themselves.

[rattlesnake]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You obviously did'nt read her full submission. 

Maybe it's time you gave it à rest?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

Maybe it's time you gave it à rest?

Why would you rather be blind to what else she said?

 

"However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people."

Edited December 21, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why would you rather be blind to what else she said?

Rumak addressed that point.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

Rumak addressed that point.

Really, he didn't read it either, stop the deflection

[rattlesnake]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Really, he didn't read it either, stop the deflection

You're the one trying to draw attention away from the fact that à top doctor said publicly she was badly injured by the "safe and effective vaccine", that nobody would listen to her or take her seriously and that doctors are pressured into covering up vaccine injury.

 

Again, just drop it.

[MichaelHunt]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why would you rather be blind to what else she said?

 

"However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people."

Sounds to me like she felt she had to say that. That doesn't make her right.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

You're the one trying to draw attention away from the fact that à top doctor said publicly she was badly injured by the "safe and effective vaccine", that nobody would listen to her or take her seriously and that doctors are pressured into covering up vaccine injury.

 

Again, just drop it.

How can I be drawing something away when I provided the link to her full statement? The fact she is calling for more research into vaccine side effects and long covid together with mitigation strategies for reducing the spread of covid. The wild conspiracy theories she mentions by anti vaxxers. The abuse she's now getting online by anti vaxxers. The need to be open about side effects and long covid by infection. Yes she has talked about her side effects together with a lot of other issues that include stating:

 

"However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people."

 

I will not be dropping factual information for you or anybody else

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, MichaelHunt said:

Sounds to me like she felt she had to say that. That doesn't make her right.

Did she also have to say?

 

“Herd immunity from mass infection is a good idea.”xvii No it isn’t.
“It’s just a cold”. No it is not.
“COVID will evolve to be milder”. There is no evidence to support this.
“COVID is not as bad as the flu”. Yes it is.
“At least I got it over and done with”. No you haven’t.
“Children are sicker this year because of immunity debt”xviii. Immunity debt is a made-up term to excuse exposing children to a dangerous virus.
“The pandemic will end in 2022”xix. Unlikely.
Daily press conferences by public health officials emphasised that of the people who died, many had “underlying health issues”, as if that made the premature deaths of those people any less tragic.