Navy Slammed Over Missing Sailors, Sunk Ship

[ikke1959]

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

They were all good swimmers. That is a pre-requisite of any navy man. That was not the issue. Swimming in 10 foot seas, with gusting wind can bring down alot of experienced swimmers. The life preservers, or lack of, is the real issue here, and the real crime here. Heads need to roll. 

I don't know if they were good swimmers and I know too that even if you are a good swimmer in a rough sea it is difficult to survive.. I am only wondering now where did you get the information that they were all good swimmers?? I read many times that people drown because they have never learned how to swim...Do you know they are learned by the army/navy??  

[thailand49]

And these guys want to buy Subs! ????

[Sydebolle]

Everything happens for a reason and it remains to be seen, which bigger fish they fried with this stint to deviate the attention of ? 
Over time we might know ......... or not! 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Admiral Choengchai Chomchoengpaet, the head of the navy, the vice admiral, and the captain of the ship should all be fired and court martialed for malfeasance. The lack of life preservers was so mickey mouse, such bad form and unforgivable. It is the responsibility of the captain, to make sure a navy boat is safe, before it leaves port. This is a crime against his soldiers, who depend on him with their lives. It is very possible many of these young men could have survived with that equipment. Lock all 3 of these Navy brass creeps up. 

Whilst you are technically correct in that the ships Captain of what ever rank has the overall responsibility, most of the tasks are delegated to lower ranking officers depending on their speciality. Engineering, weapons, deck crew etc. That work is delegated to CPO's and PO's and the men assigned to the specific task.

 

Unless the CPO's and PO's are not inspecting the tasks delegated, the results are sent up through the chain of command and eventually to the ships captain who then accepts those reports.

 

Now if the basic checks are not done, or not done properly, then the CPO's and PO's are not doing their job properly either.

 

They would give the report to their divisional officer and then on upwards to the Captain.

 

If the crew has skipped or skived off in anyway, they certainly will not report themselves to the CPO's and PO's (who actually run the ship any way). The CPO's and PO's in their report will tell the divisional officers that everything is shipshape and Bristol fashion. and off they go to sea.

 

Having said that the divisional officers seem to have failed in snap checks as well.

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I am wondering why is nobody talking yet about a National Day of Mourning for the victims...It should be done as a respect for them...

Exactly what I was thinking ... maybe they forgot whilst they were too  busy praying for someone important ...

Edited December 23, 2022 by BusyB

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

I don't know if they were good swimmers and I know too that even if you are a good swimmer in a rough sea it is difficult to survive.. I am only wondering now where did you get the information that they were all good swimmers?? I read many times that people drown because they have never learned how to swim...Do you know they are learned by the army/navy??  

Yes that is a pre-requisite. 

 

Then there’s the sea. Fifth-year cadet Saisuwan, 23, from Chonburi applied because he loves it. He’d better. Cadets become certified SCUBA divers during third year – but that’s fun. The annual training cruises on one of the Navy’s nearly 200 vessels are not. "It’s for 45 days, there’s always something to do" (read hard work), says second-year cadet "Johnny".

 

http://www.rtna.ac.th/eng/pages/inside.html

 

 

[metisdead]

A post using a trolling meme has been removed.

[gomangosteen]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes that is a pre-requisite. 

 

Then there’s the sea. Fifth-year cadet Saisuwan, 23, from Chonburi applied because he loves it. He’d better. Cadets become certified SCUBA divers during third year – but that’s fun. The annual training cruises on one of the Navy’s nearly 200 vessels are not. "It’s for 45 days, there’s always something to do" (read hard work), says second-year cadet "Johnny".

 

http://www.rtna.ac.th/eng/pages/inside.html

 

 

You've quoted from the Academy - 120 successful candidates from 15,000 applicants. No mention of the general conscription 20 year olds.
Even then, note the entry requirement - "50-meter swim"

SCUBA does not entail being a good swimmer.

 

Royal Thai Navy took approx 6,000 conscripts in this year's draft. Potentially not everyone on board was a professional sailor - some on board in that additional 30 were from the Air and Coastal Defence group.

 

And what's a 'very good' swimmer?

I competed across NZ, Australia and SE Asia in open water swims, specialising in 3-5km distances, plus surf lifesaving competition, triathlon, as a semi-professional athlete until 2009.

Good swimmer, yes, that was my strongest sector in triathlons, and well above average - but none of that experience would necessarily prepare me for being 20km from shore at midnight in 3-4m swells. Just where would I swim to?

Few would survive in the circumstances, as evidenced by these fatalities/missing crew.

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by gomangosteen

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, gomangosteen said:

You've quoted from the Academy - 120 successful candidates from 15,000 applicants. No mention of the general conscription 20 year olds.
Even then, note the entry requirement - "50-meter swim"

SCUBA does not entail being a good swimmer.

 

Royal Thai Navy took approx 6,000 conscripts in this year's draft. Potentially not everyone on board was a professional sailor - some on board in that additional 30 were from the Air and Coastal Defence group.

 

And what's a 'very good' swimmer?

I competed across NZ, Australia and SE Asia in open water swims, specialising in 3-5km distances, plus surf lifesaving competition, triathlon, as a semi-professional athlete until 2009.

Good swimmer, yes, that was my strongest sector in triathlons, and well above average - but none of that experience would necessarily prepare me for being 20km from shore at midnight in 3-4m swells. Just where would I swim to?

Few would survive in the circumstances, as evidenced by these fatalities/missing crew.

 

 

 

While all that is true, they sure would have had a better chance with life jackets. Someone really dropped the ball, and what do you want to bet the top brass pays nothing in the way of demotion, or a court martial for this gross malfeasance? 

[gomangosteen]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

While all that is true, they sure would have had a better chance with life jackets. Someone really dropped the ball, and what do you want to bet the top brass pays nothing in the way of demotion, or a court martial for this gross malfeasance? 

Nothing would surprise.

I'd say it will be the weather to blame, and leave it at that.

No hope of a genuine inquiry being released to the public - using the old 'in the interests of national security' clause.

 

I see a lifejacket washed up on an island of Chumpon today, with a plastic bag attached holding the ID card, wallet, phone. of one of the crew members. Strange, however maybe he didn't have time to put it on and lost it once in the water. Still, unusual to find it intact like that.

[bangon04]

Do all Thai Navy officers qualify for paratrooper wings on their uniforms??

[gomangosteen]

20 minutes ago, bangon04 said:

Do all Thai Navy officers qualify for paratrooper wings on their uniforms??

Maybe they do. 

 

Do you know anything on the topic? Enlighten us, please.

 

We previously lived within view of the Royal Thai Navy airstrip in Tha Mai, Chanthaburi.

 

For three weeks April/May there were approx 600 jumps per day - I don't know how many jumps for each person, or how many required to get 'wings'.

 

Police and army were also involved, and the last day was a skydiving competition to land on a 10m x 10m target area.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, gomangosteen said:

Nothing would surprise.

I'd say it will be the weather to blame, and leave it at that.

No hope of a genuine inquiry being released to the public - using the old 'in the interests of national security' clause.

 

I see a lifejacket washed up on an island of Chumpon today, with a plastic bag attached holding the ID card, wallet, phone. of one of the crew members. Strange, however maybe he didn't have time to put it on and lost it once in the water. Still, unusual to find it intact like that.

Such gross malfeasance. Perhaps the parents of the drowned soldiers should have some alone time with the captain of this sorry ship. 

[Tallviking]

On 12/23/2022 at 8:42 AM, Tropposurfer said:

Maybe some of the AN mob can shed light on this;

 

The photo I saw of the ship listing heavily as it took on water before sinking was a decent section of the hull plating was simply missing on the starboard side (I think the photo I saw showed the vessel listing heavily to port?).

 

As a sailor, literally since being in nappies, and open ocean cred and some nautical smarts, I fail to understand how in a reasonably rough but certainly not horrendous sea a steel naval vessel delaminated lie that.

The photo you saw was taken by an IR/Thermal camera on a rescue helicopter so the "missing plates" you saw on the starboard side was instead hotter plates on the side of the engine room. So no damage i reality on the hull on the starboard side.

 

I saw video taken by a sailor onboard when she was just listing about 15-20 degrees to portside and then she was still doing speed through the water and engines obviously still working witch supports the theory of a crack on the port side bow of the ship that made her take on water and eventually listing fully and sinking.

Edited December 25, 2022 by Tallviking