youreavinalaff Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Good, we are clear then. My posts have been clear all along. It is possible to talk about negative impacts thus far, although Covid and Ukraine war must be factored in, but impossible to say Brexit is a failure as it is ongoing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: The time it takes to determine a decision was a mistake is not related to anything other than the outcome of the decision. On another bright side, Brexit supporters are ‘fading away’ faster than are Remain supporters. You should give up all hope of 50 years. It sounds like that you are assuming that all the youngsters are all for rejoining - I know that that is not the case. Whatever, as it is evidently so much easier to get in than get out, let's call it 500 years and then review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: And a clear majority regard it a failure, results above. Maybe there is a larger, hidden, majority of people like me, who did not take part because its too soon to respond to the available options. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: My posts have been clear all along. It is possible to talk about negative impacts thus far, although Covid and Ukraine war must be factored in, but impossible to say Brexit is a failure as it is ongoing. Others who support brexit, including the instigator of this poll, do not all think so... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: Nope, we can comment on the negative impact brexit is having on the uk economy whenever it is relevant to a thread. But it's not relevant to this thread. The descriptor used was overall, not economic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nauseus said: But it's not relevant to this thread. The descriptor used was overall, not economic. Nonetheless... Edited January 2, 2023 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, nauseus said: But it's not relevant to this thread. The descriptor used was overall, not economic. ? The mind boggles. Oh I get it, let’s ignore one of the most, if not the most, important outcomes of Brexit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: ? The mind boggles. Oh I get it, let’s ignore one of the most, if not the most, important outcomes of Brexit. That would appear to be a school of “thought”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, nauseus said: Maybe there is a larger, hidden, majority of people like me, who did not take part because its too soon to respond to the available options. I am one also. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: For the BREXIT supporters who have a loathing of polls, here’s another to add reason to your aversion: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html It would appear that both the Independent and Savanta have chosen not to publish any details of the poll like when was it conducted, what questions were asked how many people took part was the elephant in the room mentioned Joining the euro. What we have seen with Scottish Independence: Polls is support for Independence is greatly reduced when the question about which currency is asked 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, vinny41 said: It would appear that both the Independent and Savanta have chosen not to publish any details of the poll like when was it conducted, what questions were asked how many people took part was the elephant in the room mentioned Joining the euro. What we have seen with Scottish Independence: Polls is support for Independence is greatly reduced when the question about which currency is asked Let me know when the trend in polls reverses from its current direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, vinny41 said: It would appear that both the Independent and Savanta have chosen not to publish any details of the poll like when was it conducted, what questions were asked how many people took part was the elephant in the room mentioned Joining the euro. What we have seen with Scottish Independence: Polls is support for Independence is greatly reduced when the question about which currency is asked If you take a closer look, the question asked was whether there should be another referendum in the future or not and two thirds thought that there should be . The question asked wasn't about whether the UK should leave/join the E.U , it just asked whether they should be another referendum in the future or not . If you feel that there should be another referendum in 100 years time, then you would have voted "Yes, there should be another referendum in the future . Remainers are up to their tricks again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: If you take a closer look, the question asked was whether there should be another referendum in the future or not and two thirds thought that there should be . The question asked wasn't about whether the UK should leave/join the E.U , it just asked whether they should be another referendum in the future or not . If you feel that there should be another referendum in 100 years time, then you would have voted "Yes, there should be another referendum in the future . Remainers are up to their tricks again Straw grasping. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: ? The mind boggles. Oh I get it, let’s ignore one of the most, if not the most, important outcomes of Brexit. What has happened, as ever with the remainers, is that you are ignoring everything else but the economic element. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Let me know when the trend in polls reverses from its current direction. All you have at the moment is a newspaper headline , there is no evidence that a poll has been taken as no details have been published Can you imagine the uproar if the Government said the results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum are leave has the majority vote and we are not publishing any further details on leave numbers remain numbers locations on the grounds of national security 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, vinny41 said: All you have at the moment is a newspaper headline , there is no evidence that a poll has been taken as no details have been published Can you imagine the uproar if the Government said the results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum are leave has the majority vote and we are not publishing any further details on leave numbers remain numbers locations on the grounds of national security No worries, other polls are available: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/11/17/one-five-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 The poll results where some people are claiming that 2/3rds want to leave the E.U , but the actual question asked was whether there should be another referendum or not and the results to that question were : So just 22 % want another referendum now , rather than two thirds waning to leave Should there be another referendum ? "The most popular options were now, at 22 per cent, and within the next 5 years, 24 per cent, followed by within 6-10 years, 11 per cent. Just 4 per cent thought another vote should be in more than 20 years, while those who said there should never be a second referendum have fallen from 32 to 24 per cent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, nauseus said: What has happened, as ever with the remainers, is that you are ignoring everything else but the economic element. I’ll remind you, it was you who wanted to ignore the economic element (an aspect of BREXIT consequences that impacts everyone). But I welcome any evidence of tangible BREXIT benefits, perhaps ’Control of our borders’, then again, perhaps not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The poll results where some people are claiming that 2/3rds want to leave the E.U , but the actual question asked was whether there should be another referendum or not and the results to that question were : So just 22 % want another referendum now , rather than two thirds waning to leave Should there be another referendum ? "The most popular options were now, at 22 per cent, and within the next 5 years, 24 per cent, followed by within 6-10 years, 11 per cent. Just 4 per cent thought another vote should be in more than 20 years, while those who said there should never be a second referendum have fallen from 32 to 24 per cent." Why do you think people want another referendum? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: No worries, other polls are available: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/11/17/one-five-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d And none of them asked the dodge the bullet question will you accept the Euro as your national currency My understand is that the Libdems were in favour of further EU Integration and were in favour of adopting the Euro as the national currency They were the only national party that stated in 2019 they would cancel Brexit if elected they fielded 611 candidates of which only 11 were elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: If you take a closer look, the question asked was whether there should be another referendum in the future or not and two thirds thought that there should be . The question asked wasn't about whether the UK should leave/join the E.U , it just asked whether they should be another referendum in the future or not . If you feel that there should be another referendum in 100 years time, then you would have voted "Yes, there should be another referendum in the future . Remainers are up to their tricks again I never thought that I would ever say this but I regret the fact that Johnson is no longer PM. Given that 2/3rds of the electorate think another referendum is a good idea, Johnson's need for public approval would mean that it would be held in double quick time! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuperSilverHaze Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 Each and every time I read about the UK economy it's usually straight up malaise with no mention of Brexit. The Brexit moaners will be whinging forever. I think facts on the ground a huge number of domestic missteps made coupled with a deteriorating world economy. I view anything in the EU is absolutely feckless and slomo death spiral. At least with Brexit minor dominion over UK citizens has returned. Who cares about a weak European market when some corrupt imbecile is running your life and tax regiment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: And none of them asked the dodge the bullet question will you accept the Euro as your national currency My understand is that the Libdems were in favour of further EU Integration and were in favour of adopting the Euro as the national currency They were the only national party that stated in 2019 they would cancel Brexit if elected they fielded 611 candidates of which only 11 were elected That was then, this is now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, SuperSilverHaze said: Each and every time I read about the UK economy it's usually straight up malaise with no mention of Brexit. The Brexit moaners will be whinging forever. I think facts on the ground a huge number of domestic missteps made coupled with a deteriorating world economy. I view anything in the EU is absolutely feckless and slomo death spiral. At least with Brexit minor dominion over UK citizens has returned. Who cares about a weak European market when some corrupt imbecile is running your life and tax regiment UK, highest taxes in decades and rampant Government corruption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Baiting posts and the replies have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2023 So what does the poll at the top of this thread tell us? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 DW cable TV claims that only 30% of Britons now think Brexit was a good idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: DW cable TV claims that only 30% of Britons now think Brexit was a good idea. Can you provide a link to that alleged information , as per forum rules ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Can you provide a link to that alleged information , as per forum rules ? What do you think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: What do you think? Its irrelevant what I think, you need to comply with forum rules. Or is it just me that needs to do that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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