Collapse in support for leaving EU in member states since Brexit, new data shows

[Scott]

There has been a stark drop in support for leaving the European Union in member states across the continent in the aftermath of the Brexit vote in the United Kingdom, new data shows.

In a European Social Survey, respondents were asked how they would vote in a hypothetical referendum on whether their country should remain in the EU, first in 2016-2017 and again in 2020-2022.

Support for leaving the EU fell in every member state for which results are available across that time period, led by a drop of 11.8 percentage points in Finland, 10 percentage points in Slovenia, 8.8 in Austria, and 8.6 in Portugal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/01/10/collapse-in-support-for-leaving-eu-in-member-states-since-brexit/

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It's a common refrain from Brexiters that the departure of the UK from the EU presaged the collapse of the entire EU. Instead, the UK has served as an object lesson that establishes the foolishness of leaving the EU.

[RayC]

Support for remaining in the EU at over 70% in most of the listed countries. 

 

Collapse of the EU? Doesn't seem very likely.

[bendejo]

When UK first announced the idea of leaving the EU a few countries expressed they wanted to as well.  Only one I can think of right now is Netherlands.  Haven't heard much about that in a few years.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

I voted Brexit - but i'd rather have 50,000 europeans than 50,000 asian and african economic migrants

[hotchilli]

Brexit in itself didn't kill the UK..

The political fiasco that ensued ensured it did.

[Foghorn]

The EU used every trick they have to make Britain hurt for leaving , to show others what will happen , our uk government was brought by the EU , they allowed it to happen , 

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12 minutes ago, Foghorn said:

The EU used every trick they have to make Britain hurt for leaving , to show others what will happen , our uk government was brought by the EU , they allowed it to happen , 

Apart from canceling brexit or continuing in some sort of special affiliation with the EU, what could the British government have done to ease the pain of brexit?

[RayC]

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

When UK first announced the idea of leaving the EU a few countries expressed they wanted to as well.  Only one I can think of right now is Netherlands.  Haven't heard much about that in a few years.

 

 

Like almost all member states support for the EU is increasing in The Netherlands.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2023/01/support-grows-in-the-netherlands-for-eu-membership/

[JonnyF]

Stockholm syndrome.

 

I guess these EU countries don't care about the corruption engulfing the EU. They're welcome to it. Britain was always a leader, not a follower.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1717669/qatargate-european-parliament-brexit-news-eva-kaili-ben-habib-eu-brussels

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

I voted Brexit - but i'd rather have 50,000 europeans than 50,000 asian and african economic migrants

An entré of xenophobia followed by a main course of racism. Not very appetizing.

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apart from canceling brexit or continuing in some sort of special affiliation with the EU, what could the British government have done to ease the pain of brexit?

But don't you remember? There wasn't going to be any pain. We were told by some Brexiters that the EU need us, more than we need the EU.

[MRToMRT]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Brexit in itself didn't kill the UK..

The political fiasco that ensued ensured it did.

The decision to shut down the planes engines did not kill any of the passengers, it was the pilot's poor landing skills. :+)

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Stockholm syndrome.

 

I guess these EU countries don't care about the corruption engulfing the EU. They're welcome to it. Britain was always a leader, not a follower.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1717669/qatargate-european-parliament-brexit-news-eva-kaili-ben-habib-eu-brussels

 

Of course, all the EU countries - especially those Scandinavian ones. - are corrupt. 

 

Nothing untoward ever happens in the Palace of Westminster: Expenses scandal? Owen Paterson? Just administrative oversights; nothing to see there.

[Foghorn]

51 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apart from canceling brexit or continuing in some sort of special affiliation with the EU, what could the British government have done to ease the pain of brexit?

Not pay the devorce settlement not accept their economic refugees , increase tariffs on eu goods , not allow and pay for borders in Northern Ireland or the sea, treat the eu same as they treat us

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2 minutes ago, Foghorn said:

Not pay the devorce settlement not accept their economic refugees , increase tariffs on eu goods , not allow and pay for borders in Northern Ireland or the sea, treat the eu same as they treat us

Because making trade even more difficult would be better for the UK economy? Making goods even more expensive would be beneficial to the citizens of the UK? Having even more economic refugees arrive in the UK would be beneficial how? What you don't seem to understand is that the EU economy is about five times the size of the UK economy. So, for simple and obvious arithmetical reasons, tit for tat works to the disadvantage of the UK.

[gejohesch]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What you don't seem to understand is that the EU economy is about five times the size of the UK economy. So, for simple and obvious arithmetical reasons, tit for tat works to the disadvantage of the UK.

Obvious, is it not?

 

When playing with catchy (but empty) slogans like "unleash the nation's potential" or "bucaneering Britain", one should always remember that geography is a key factor in international relations. Like it or not, the British Isles are part of Europe, separated only by a few 10's of kms from the European continent.

 

Geographical proximity in this case is a factor amplified by economy indeed. 

[JonnyF]

46 minutes ago, RayC said:

Of course, all the EU countries - especially those Scandinavian ones. - are corrupt. 

 

Nothing untoward ever happens in the Palace of Westminster: Expenses scandal? Owen Paterson? Just administrative oversights; nothing to see there.

I am sure you know the difference between the EU (a political union) and the member states. The corruption scandal is engulfing the EU.

 

But if you want to look at corruption in member states, you could start with the likes of Hungary.

 

Speaking of being hungry, the citizens of the EU are really up against it while Vice Presidents of the EU have vast swathes of cash hidden in suitcases. 

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

 

 

[The Old Bull]

51 minutes ago, RayC said:

Of course, all the EU countries - especially those Scandinavian ones. - are corrupt. 

 

Nothing untoward ever happens in the Palace of Westminster: Expenses scandal? Owen Paterson? Just administrative oversights; nothing to see there.

Corruption was the cause of Brexit. The moneyed elite promoted the pull out because the EU was going to start digging into offshore bank accounts.

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17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am sure you know the difference between the EU (a political union) and the member states. The corruption scandal is engulfing the EU.

 

But if you want to look at corruption in member states, you could start with the likes of Hungary.

 

Speaking of being hungry, the citizens of the EU are really up against it while Vice Presidents of the EU have vast swathes of cash hidden in suitcases. 

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

 

 

And I'm sure you know that the EU budget is a small fraction of European GDP. And that the corruption in question would carry very little, if any, economic import for the EU.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And I'm sure you know that the EU budget is a small fraction of European GDP. And that the corruption in question would carry very little, if any, economic import for the EU.

Not sure why they'd want to import corruption? Surely they have enough already...

 

https://www.ft.com/content/203bbd3e-174a-456e-a187-8b4746010129

 

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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not sure why they'd want to import corruption? Surely they have enough already...

 

https://www.ft.com/content/203bbd3e-174a-456e-a187-8b4746010129

 

I'm going to be charitable and assume you know what is meant by "import" in the context of my comment and just chose to misuse it. And, once again, you ignore what effect this kind of corruption has on the EU economy and how tiny it is by comparison.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'm going to be charitable and assume you know what is meant by "import" in the context of my comment and just chose to misuse it. And, once again, you ignore what effect this kind of corruption has on the EU economy and how tiny it is by comparison.

Are you sure you didn't mean "impact"? That would have made a lot more sense in the context... 

 

A little bit of corruption is about as acceptable to me as a little bit of racism. The economic "impact" of the corruption is not the issue here.

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9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Are you sure you didn't mean "impact"? That would have made a lot more sense in the context... 

 

A little bit of corruption is about as acceptable to me as a little bit of racism. The economic "impact" of the corruption is not the issue here.

No, I meant "import" as used to mean "significance". Look it up.

Well, if a little bit of corruption is about as acceptable to you as a little bit of racism, I think you're pretty much out of luck in finding any government to be legitimate. Those of us who take a more rational view of the way the world works would differ from you in that regard.

[RayC]

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am sure you know the difference between the EU (a political union) and the member states.

I do

 

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The corruption scandal is engulfing the EU.

There is undoubtedly a corruption scandal in the EU involving some MEPs at the moment. The scale of it remains to be seen.

 

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

But if you want to look at corruption in member states, you could start with the likes of Hungary.

In hindsight, allowing Hungary - under the leadership of Orban - into the EU looks increasingly like a mistake. 

 

Unfortunately, as there is no mechanism for ejecting member states who flout the 'Copenhagen criteria', the EU are effectively stuck with them unless they decide to leave themselves. All the EU can do - and is doing - is to place appropriate sanctions on Hungary.

 

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Speaking of being hungry, the citizens of the EU are really up against it while Vice Presidents of the EU have vast swathes of cash hidden in suitcases. 

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

 

 

And that's a cause for celebration? Each to their own I suppose.

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59 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am sure you know the difference between the EU (a political union) and the member states. The corruption scandal is engulfing the EU.

 

But if you want to look at corruption in member states, you could start with the likes of Hungary.

 

Speaking of being hungry, the citizens of the EU are really up against it while Vice Presidents of the EU have vast swathes of cash hidden in suitcases. 

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

 

 

Really" It's "Vice Presidents" who have money in suitcases? As far as I'm aware, only one vice President has been implicated. But if you can link to some decent source that shows there is more than one currently implicated, please do share it with us.

 

It should also be noted that there are 14 vice-Presidents in the EU, and most of them, including the one imiplicated, exercise very little power.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by placeholder

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

I am sure you know the difference between the EU (a political union) and the member states. The corruption scandal is engulfing the EU.

 

But if you want to look at corruption in member states, you could start with the likes of Hungary.

 

Speaking of being hungry, the citizens of the EU are really up against it while Vice Presidents of the EU have vast swathes of cash hidden in suitcases. 

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/01/12/nearly-half-of-europeans-say-their-standards-of-living-have-already-declined-as-crises-mou

 

 

And the evidence you have produced about the concerns of citizens of the EU over the consequences of the EU war, actually proves the opposite of what you think they do. Despite the fact that there have been negative consequences for them, their approval of membership in the EU has actually risen. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by placeholder

[JonnyF]

37 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, I meant "import" as used to mean "significance". Look it up.

Well, if a little bit of corruption is about as acceptable to you as a little bit of racism, I think you're pretty much out of luck in finding any government to be legitimate. Those of us who take a more rational view of the way the world works would differ from you in that regard.

 

 

Personally I find the EU's corruption to be disgraceful, and it is one of many reasons I am so glad that we won the Brexit referendum and left that failing, corrupt, federalist project. If I managed to get out of jail, I wouldn't really care that those left behind had no vision or motivation to do the same. If they're happy with it, more fool them. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Rimmer
off topic comment removed

[RayC]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I guess your acceptance of corruption explains your continued support of Biden/Pelosi etc. It's strange that you don't apply the same leniency to those who don't follow your political ideology.

 

Personally I find the EU's corruption to be disgraceful

In order to be consistent, I assume that you are just as outraged by the corruption in the UK parliament?

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3 minutes ago, RayC said:

In order to be consistent, I assume that you are just as outraged by the corruption in the UK parliament?

Don't you understand that there's something endearingly cozy and Dickensian about UK corruption?