Prayut Angered When Asked To Respond To Thaksin’s Comments

[billd766]

11 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

If the truth were to be known, there's really not much difference between the two.

I do love the continuing Lakorn Politic Thai, though. 

There is actually a lot of difference between the two of them.

 

Thaksin was legally elected for 4 years, stood for re-election and was re-elected with an overall majority in Parliament. Of course that was back in the bad old days when the members of the Senate were also elected by the public.

 

Thaksin was removed by a military coup.

 

Prayuth OTOH stole power from a government legally elected by the Thai people. He has never stood for election, had the 1997 constitution scrapped and the 2014 constitution rewritten in his favour and the senate composed of unelected people chosen by himself and his cronies 5 years after he stole the country from the Thai people.

 

quote from your post.

 

"If the truth were to be known, there's really not much difference between the two."

 

Perhaps you believe that truth but there are a very large number of Thai people who do not.

[zzaa09]

Their policies and practices. 

Not much difference, if little. 

 

Plus - both are adherent to the traditional and supreme rule. 

And always been of this manner....regardless of said and sitting government. 

 

Most will be hypnotized by the surface infrastructures that are presented.

Yet, that's just not the way things are.

[billd766]

9 hours ago, Gandtee said:

What's to choose between them? Both corrupt. and responsible for the loss of many Thai lives. I am amazed that some Thai citizen's are still prepared to take Thaksin and his family members back to lead them. I would have thought that the old adage, Once bitten, twice shy, should apply. They must be gluttons for punishment. So sad.

Well if you were to follow that through there have been 17 military coups in Thailand since 1932, NONE of which were carried out by the Thai electorate.

 

So would that make it 17 times bitten, and 17 times shy?

 

My apologies. I missed a coup somewhere.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Thailand#:~:text=As a result%2C there have,most of the political parties.

 

Every time a coup was staged, scapegoats or excuses were found to justify it. Eventually, the ensuing junta government would hand the government back to elected officials. As a result, there have been 18 coups and 18 constitutions in the history of Thai politics.

From 1932, bureaucrats, generals, and businessmen have run most of the political parties. While the grassroots are always the target of the political parties, no grassroots party has ever led the country. Money seems to be the major factor in gaining power in the country.

[billd766]

2 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Their policies and practices. 

Not much difference, if little. 

 

Plus - both are adherent to the traditional and supreme rule. 

And always been of this manner....regardless of said and sitting government. 

 

Most will be hypnotized by the surface infrastructures that are presented.

Yet, that's just not the way things are.

Says who?

 

A farang who, like me has no voice in Thai politics?

[OldBird]

"Prayut referred to the deposed premier who has been looking to return home after 16 years in self-exile overseas." Should read "return home after 16 years of avoiding prosecution for his crimes"

[zzaa09]

16 minutes ago, DaveMG said:

"Prayut referred to the deposed premier who has been looking to return home after 16 years in self-exile overseas." Should read "return home after 16 years of avoiding prosecution for his crimes"

Highly dependent on perspectives. 

 

Speaking of unjust exiles - what of the numerous self-imposed or forced upon exiles of academic and political standing over the decades? [who clearly don't receive any such attention from mainstream thought] Never a peep regarding these deposed circle. 

[JoseThailand]

15 hours ago, kwilco said:

Just goes to show that no matter what, he really isn't a democrat....and never will be.

Did anyone doubt that?

[kwilco]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There is at least one big difference: Prayut might be corrupt, and he might do some bad things. But he is not doing it in the open. Thaksin cheated and bragged about it. 

You are totally blinded by your own bias

[kwilco]

9 hours ago, Cat Boy said:

That truth is lost on no one, least of all the yellow shirt pro-coup sycophants and the coup leaders themselves within the military 

What a lot of people don't realise is how Thailand's ruling elite - especially the military are also broken into factions. Most of the informative stuff written about thisis banned in Thailand.....

[Reigntax]

9 hours ago, chuang said:

Thaksinphobia

 

 

 

A disease that exists solely within the military mind and a few expats who you’d think the western education afforded to them via their democratic governments would have at least given them the knowledge to see through the anti Thaksin propaganda.

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Well if you were to follow that through there have been 17 military coups in Thailand since 1932, NONE of which were carried out by the Thai electorate.

 

So would that make it 17 times bitten, and 17 times shy?

 

My apologies. I missed a coup somewhere.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Thailand#:~:text=As a result%2C there have,most of the political parties.

 

Every time a coup was staged, scapegoats or excuses were found to justify it. Eventually, the ensuing junta government would hand the government back to elected officials. As a result, there have been 18 coups and 18 constitutions in the history of Thai politics.

From 1932, bureaucrats, generals, and businessmen have run most of the political parties. While the grassroots are always the target of the political parties, no grassroots party has ever led the country. Money seems to be the major factor in gaining power in the country.

The major, and most important, factor has been omitted from your commentary. 

The true ruling elite. 

 

.....and still most don't get it. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, DaveMG said:

"Prayut referred to the deposed premier who has been looking to return home after 16 years in self-exile overseas." Should read "return home after 16 years of avoiding prosecution for his crimes"

What crimes were they?

 

The ones who charged him were the junta who pulled the coup against him.

 

If their coup was illegal then the charges are illegal as well.

[soi3eddie]

17 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

It doesn't take much to upset the PM. He seems to be unable to cope with much other than routine, pre-planned events.

 

 

....showing him and his cronies in a nothing but favourable light!

 

 

[soi3eddie]

13 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Taxi for Prayut ????

If only! and supercharged!!!

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Reigntax said:

A disease that exists solely within the military mind and a few expats who you’d think the western education afforded to them via their democratic governments would have at least given them the knowledge to see through the anti Thaksin propaganda.

And then there are the farangs who lived in Thailand before Thaksin, while Thaksin was in charge, and after that. I am one of those. And the most difficult time was when Thaksin was dividing the nation day after day. Obviously others were and are also corrupt. But Thaksin deliberately divided the nation like nobody before him or after him.

And if another Shinawatra will be in charge again then that division will get worse again, maybe a lot worse.

Hopefully that will never happen.

[zzaa09]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are the farangs who lived in Thailand before Thaksin, while Thaksin was in charge, and after that. I am one of those. And the most difficult time was when Thaksin was dividing the nation day after day. Obviously others were and are also corrupt. But Thaksin deliberately divided the nation like nobody before him or after him.

And if another Shinawatra will be in charge again then that division will get worse again, maybe a lot worse.

Hopefully that will never happen.

Perhaps the next generation Shinawatra will be kinder and gentler version...

????

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Perhaps the next generation Shinawatra will be kinder and gentler version...

????

And perhaps they will think for themselves and don't listen to the criminal.

 

And perhaps we will have snow in Bangkok - perhaps.

 

 

[still kicking]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And perhaps they will think for themselves and don't listen to the criminal.

 

And perhaps we will have snow in Bangkok - perhaps.

 

 

Can I have some of that stuff you smoke?

[spidermike007]

19 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Prsyut has no sense of democratic accountability for his failed tenure as PM since 2014. 

None. One has to understand he lives in a ivory tower, has immense wealth (nobody knows how much after 8 years of grifting), and is surrounded by sycophants. So, when he is questioned, he simply cannot cope. He would be a far more effective dictator, than PM. That he admires dictators is amply demonstrated with his love of the Burmese despots and the serial killer MBS. 

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Democracy comes to mind. One was popularly elected while the other seized power. Both corrupt but one was indicted by political expedite courts while the other has not even seen the inside of a court house. The people know best not you. They have seen better days under Thaksin and they yearning for his return through the ballot box. The voters decide and time for the elites and the military to listen to the people. 

Absolutely spot on. Never forget he is the ONLY PM in Thai history to pass populist policies, that actually benefited the Thai common man. Universal health care was huge. It is likely Prayuth and his thoughtless cronies attempted to dismantle it, without success. 

[Reigntax]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are the farangs who lived in Thailand before Thaksin, while Thaksin was in charge, and after that. I am one of those. And the most difficult time was when Thaksin was dividing the nation day after day. Obviously others were and are also corrupt. But Thaksin deliberately divided the nation like nobody before him or after him.

And if another Shinawatra will be in charge again then that division will get worse again, maybe a lot worse.

Hopefully that will never happen.

You’re forgetting the most important issue. Thaksin was elected by majority and if the majority didn’t like how he managed, they could vote him out.

But they didn’t, so the majority must have been happy. They were certainly more happy than the last 9 years.

 

What have the 17 or so military coups achieved.? Absolutely nothing.

 

it has nothing to do with performance. It about not having someone in Power more popular than the military and who can control them.

Only an imbecile would expect a different result after 16 previous failures. Only an imbecile would try it after so many failures except if the sole purpose is power and the fake reasons given are for justification.

 

Thailand will never have an elected democratic government that lasts. Not because of their performance but solely because the military need power and control but are totally lacking any reasonable level of intelligence.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Reigntax said:

Only an imbecile would expect a different result after 16 previous failures.

How often did Thaksin control other people who were officially in charge?

How often did he win and how often were those lackeys removed?

Why does he try again?

Does he really think that he will be able to return to Thailand and live happily ever after? 555

[kwilco]

On 1/26/2023 at 12:34 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

At least in the red villages.

I think you have a naive attitude to this topic, like a football fan you have decided you support the "yellow" team....unfortunately you don't seem to understand that this thread is not about who you support, it is meant to be an objective view of the political situation in Thailand, if you took that perspective you would see immediately that the "red" side holds and always has held an unassailable majority of voters

The military side has spent a lot of time, money, coups and constitutional measures to ensure that no matter how much support they get, it would be virtually impossible for them to form a majority government. So you might take some comfort in that.

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How often did Thaksin control other people who were officially in charge?

How often did he win and how often were those lackeys removed?

Why does he try again?

Does he really think that he will be able to return to Thailand and live happily ever after? 555

Again you seem to have a very tenuous grasp on Thai politics....ALL  politicians in Thailand are either corrupt or sail close to that wind - to try and suggest one is significantly different from another is to ignore the evidence. 

The difference is the Thaksin was actually democratically elected. THe fact he was deposed in a coup says more about the leaders of the coup's attitude to politics than Thaksin's practices.

 

you might want also to check out the history of Thaksin's relationship with the current monarch

[Phoenix Rising]

On 1/26/2023 at 3:52 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I remember when Thaksin was PM he had a red card which he held up when reporters asks questions which he didn't like.

Maybe Prayut should also get such a card. Maybe this one.

 

 

Yes, he had. But he didn't have attitude adjustment camps, did he.

[Phoenix Rising]

On 1/26/2023 at 11:53 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

That is your opinion.

Personally, I prefer a good government compared to an elected government. 

I don't know why all those uneducated uninformed people vote again and again for the same criminal (or his sister or daughter). Only because they do that doesn't mean I have to like it or support it. 

IMHO democracy with lots of stupid uninformed voters doesn't make much sense.

You do realize that many would call you st uninformed and not deserving of a vote in whatever country you come from, right? 

Horrible thing about democracy, isn't it, when lots of people vote for persons you don't like. Better to suspend democracy until the people vote for the correct persons! 

[kwilco]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Really?

Who decided that one?

Or is Asean Now now the UN approved Thai research group.

 

The criminal Thaksin should die or at least stay away from Thailand or go to jail. It is easily understandable that Prayut is annoyed when people mention that criminal.

And personally, I am annoyed by Thaksin and the stupid red-shirts and the people who continue to support the criminal and his family.

You might not like that but that is your problem. 

You still fail to understand that isn't what this thread is about. duh!

 

[Scott]

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