4 minutes ago, RayC said:

So some polls have called things wrong in the past therefore all polls will be incorrect. Interesting logic.

And actually,  there was a lot of fluctuation leading up to the election. Out of the last 10 polls, 6 showed "leave" a ahead of "remain". 1 showed a tie. And only one pollster gave remain a 4 point margin

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls/

9 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

It is certainly a good starting point.

 

What has happened previously is often the best indicator of what will happen in the future.

 

 

Anybody who puts too much store by polls is an idiot.

Funny. I could say such a qualification might more aptly apply to someone who doesn't understand the concept of observer bias. Someone who cherry picks results that agree with their prejudices and than generalizes about them. But I think it's more down to ignorance than lack of native intelligence.

Off topic post reported and removed

11 hours ago, RayC said:

 

If what you say is correct then governments and businesses the world over are wasting their money conducting market research.

 

Apologies for being blunt but it appears that you have no understanding of sampling theory, survey design or statistics in general.

People that take part in Surveys or Polls are Mugs

How many people would take part in these surveys or polls if the opening line was

Hello Mug do you remember the Harry Enfield catch phase LoadsofMoney

Well my company and the sponsor of this survey or poll want to make loads of Money and we will if you answer honestly these 30 questions

We will collate you responses with the other people taking part in this survey / pool and we will sell these responses to anyone that is willing to pay

You wouldn't receive a dime/penny but that life

Remember Information is money and data is money 

36 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

People that take part in Surveys or Polls are Mugs

How many people would take part in these surveys or polls if the opening line was

Hello Mug do you remember the Harry Enfield catch phase LoadsofMoney

Well my company and the sponsor of this survey or poll want to make loads of Money and we will if you answer honestly these 30 questions

We will collate you responses with the other people taking part in this survey / pool and we will sell these responses to anyone that is willing to pay

You wouldn't receive a dime/penny but that life

Remember Information is money and data is money 

Thank your for your informed and mathematically sound comment on the issue.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Thank your for your informed and mathematically sound comment on the issue.

Your Welcome

10 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

It is certainly a good starting point.

 

What has happened previously is often the best indicator of what will happen in the future.

 

 

Anybody who puts too much store by polls is an idiot.

This seems to suggest that you prefer quantifiable data to intention. That's fair enough.

 

Therefore, I'm sure that you will agree that Brexit has negatively affected the UK economy, given that the overwhelming majority of available data supports this hypothesis? 

2 hours ago, RayC said:

This seems to suggest that you prefer quantifiable data to intention. That's fair enough.

 

Therefore, I'm sure that you will agree that Brexit has negatively affected the UK economy, given that the overwhelming majority of available data supports this hypothesis? 

 

 

 

 

Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science.

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

 

Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science.

Strange since that was not exactly what the leave campaign was about. Lots of money would be saved so the NHS could be rescues, etc.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Strange since that was not exactly what the leave campaign was about. Lots of money would be saved so the NHS could be rescues, etc.

No.....the big red bus said "Let's fund the NHS instead"

15 hours ago, RayC said:

So some polls have called things wrong in the past therefore all polls will be incorrect. Interesting logic.

Polls are guesswork because of the low numbers involved, but providing work for a few interviewees.....

2 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science.

Really? Was that part of the "Leave" campaign. I must have missed that. I didn't miss the denials, though. Funny, that.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? Was that part of the "Leave" campaign. I must have missed that. I didn't miss the denials, though. Funny, that.

Sorry to read you missed it....................

2 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

 

Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science.

So everyone voting Leave didn't believe the official 'Vote Leave' campaign when they said "UK trade will thrive after we leave the EU"? No mention of any negative effects.

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

 

#Soldapup

 

2 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

 

Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science.

Really?

 

Here's what Nigel Farage wrote on Jun 20, 2016

'Don't forget that so many who now insist that we would be diminished as a nation if we leave the EU said that our economy would suffer if we did not join the euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-nigel-farage-on-why-you-should-vote-to-leave-a7091021.html

 

Here's Rees-Mogg

“I think the economic benefit is the very straight-forward, classical view: the more freely you trade, the better. The drive to do business is much more powerful for making a country rich than governments directing business, which is more what the EU is about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit_uk_574dc7a5e4b0089281b4d95d

 

Here's Boris Johnson:

Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said leaving the EU would be a "win-win for all", urging those backing exit to "hold our nerve and vote for freedom".

The EU was an anachronism which "costs us a huge amount of money and subverts our democracy", the Tory MP said.

He insisted there were no downsides to leaving, suggesting the UK could ape Canada's trade arrangement with the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

So everyone voting Leave didn't believe the official 'Vote Leave' campaign when they said "UK trade will thrive after we leave the EU"? No mention of any negative effects.

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

 

#Soldapup

 

Thriving is about more than just the economy.

 

 

Anyway.......the Leave vote won, get over it.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Really?

 

Here's what Nigel Farage wrote on Jun 20, 2016

'Don't forget that so many who now insist that we would be diminished as a nation if we leave the EU said that our economy would suffer if we did not join the euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-nigel-farage-on-why-you-should-vote-to-leave-a7091021.html

 

Here's Rees-Mogg

“I think the economic benefit is the very straight-forward, classical view: the more freely you trade, the better. The drive to do business is much more powerful for making a country rich than governments directing business, which is more what the EU is about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit_uk_574dc7a5e4b0089281b4d95d

 

Here's Boris Johnson:

Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said leaving the EU would be a "win-win for all", urging those backing exit to "hold our nerve and vote for freedom".

The EU was an anachronism which "costs us a huge amount of money and subverts our democracy", the Tory MP said.

He insisted there were no downsides to leaving, suggesting the UK could ape Canada's trade arrangement with the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

 

 

Another who has yet to get over the result of the vote......and himself.

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Sorry to read you missed it....................

Given your record when it comes to providing evidence, I'm betting that you did too.

5 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Another who has yet to get over the result of the vote......and himself.

When someone makes a rebuttal addressing moties instead of the facts, it means one thing: they've got nothing.

You've got nothing.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given your record when it comes to providing evidence, I'm betting that you did too.

Stop guessing now........

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really?

 

Here's what Nigel Farage wrote on Jun 20, 2016

'Don't forget that so many who now insist that we would be diminished as a nation if we leave the EU said that our economy would suffer if we did not join the euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-nigel-farage-on-why-you-should-vote-to-leave-a7091021.html

 

Here's Rees-Mogg

“I think the economic benefit is the very straight-forward, classical view: the more freely you trade, the better. The drive to do business is much more powerful for making a country rich than governments directing business, which is more what the EU is about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit_uk_574dc7a5e4b0089281b4d95d

 

Here's Boris Johnson:

Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said leaving the EU would be a "win-win for all", urging those backing exit to "hold our nerve and vote for freedom".

The EU was an anachronism which "costs us a huge amount of money and subverts our democracy", the Tory MP said.

He insisted there were no downsides to leaving, suggesting the UK could ape Canada's trade arrangement with the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

Still early days, stuff hasn't been thrashed out yet, so keep calm......

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Stop guessing now........

I'll step guessing when you start providing proof.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When someone makes a rebuttal addressing moties instead of the facts, it means one thing: they've got nothing.

You've got nothing.

And you have....?    

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I'll step guessing when you start providing proof.

Is that a dance....?   

1 minute ago, transam said:

And you have....?    

Now I see the problem. You don't even know what evidence looks like. Here it is again:

Here's what Nigel Farage wrote on Jun 20, 2016

'Don't forget that so many who now insist that we would be diminished as a nation if we leave the EU said that our economy would suffer if we did not join the euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-nigel-farage-on-why-you-should-vote-to-leave-a7091021.html

 

Here's Rees-Mogg

“I think the economic benefit is the very straight-forward, classical view: the more freely you trade, the better. The drive to do business is much more powerful for making a country rich than governments directing business, which is more what the EU is about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit_uk_574dc7a5e4b0089281b4d95d

 

Here's Boris Johnson:

Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said leaving the EU would be a "win-win for all", urging those backing exit to "hold our nerve and vote for freedom".

The EU was an anachronism which "costs us a huge amount of money and subverts our democracy", the Tory MP said.

He insisted there were no downsides to leaving, suggesting the UK could ape Canada's trade arrangement with the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

 

You see how that works? I quote information from trustworthy sources. And I provided a link to those sources.

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Still early days, stuff hasn't been thrashed out yet, so keep calm......

Not just irrelevant to the assertion made by hotandsticky, but actually in contradiction to it. Here it is again:

"Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science."

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Now I see the problem. You don't even know what evidence looks like. Here it is again:

Here's what Nigel Farage wrote on Jun 20, 2016

'Don't forget that so many who now insist that we would be diminished as a nation if we leave the EU said that our economy would suffer if we did not join the euro. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-nigel-farage-on-why-you-should-vote-to-leave-a7091021.html

 

Here's Rees-Mogg

“I think the economic benefit is the very straight-forward, classical view: the more freely you trade, the better. The drive to do business is much more powerful for making a country rich than governments directing business, which is more what the EU is about.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit_uk_574dc7a5e4b0089281b4d95d

 

Here's Boris Johnson:

Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said leaving the EU would be a "win-win for all", urging those backing exit to "hold our nerve and vote for freedom".

The EU was an anachronism which "costs us a huge amount of money and subverts our democracy", the Tory MP said.

He insisted there were no downsides to leaving, suggesting the UK could ape Canada's trade arrangement with the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

 

You see how that works? I quote information from trustworthy sources. And I provided a link to those sources.

Yes, still early days, wait and see, I am not a Frauditor or a Sovereign Citizen, or a step dancer..... 

Has the Dover channel thing been sorted now.....

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Not just irrelevant to the assertion made by hotandsticky, but actually in contradiction to it. Here it is again:

"Everyone voting "leave" knew that there would be a negative affect on the UK economy........that isn't rocket-science."

I voted leave to get away from the future U.S. of Germany, whatever the cost.....????

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, still early days, wait and see, I am not a Frauditor or a Sovereign Citizen, or a step dancer..... 

Has the Dover channel thing been sorted now.....

Again. Your comment is irrelevant to the claim made by hotandsticky.

2 minutes ago, transam said:

I voted leave to get away from the future U.S. of Germany, whatever the cost.....????

Colour me unsurprised.