Biden rules out sending Ukraine F-16 jets

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US President Joe Biden has ruled out sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, despite renewed calls from Ukrainian officials for urgent air support.

Asked by a reporter on Monday if the US would be providing the planes, Mr Biden simply replied "no".

His comment comes a day after Germany's leader also ruled out sending jets.

Ukraine has long been pushing its allies to send advanced war planes to help Kyiv take control of its airspace in its ongoing war with Russia.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the country's top military officials say there should be no taboos on such military aid - but the US and its partners fear this would lead to further escalation with a nuclear-armed Russia.

[Kwasaki]

Makes sense another Afganistan for Europe not USA, so sad. 

[Tug]

Probably the training issues and they know the Ukrainians would be taking russias war to Russia proper if so equipped 

[Jingthing]

Arm Ukraine to win ASAP.

What is the point of all this otherwise?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Arm Ukraine to win ASAP.

What is the point of all this otherwise?

I suspect that the calculus is to wait out the Russians who have logistical problems with weapons supplies. Far from the narrative that Russia is playing the long game to wait out western resolve, I think the opposite is probably true.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Probably the training issues and they know the Ukrainians would be taking russias war to Russia proper if so equipped 

An esculation that is not a good idea.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

An esculation that is not a good idea.

Tell that to Putin.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

An esculation that is not a good idea.

Is Putin's upcoming spring escalation a good idea?

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

An esculation that is not a good idea.

Well then tell Mr Putin to get the (@&$#)out of Ukraine 

[Stargeezr]

Unfortunately a one way trip in an F16, may be from an airport in Ukraine to Moscow, and

if the Kremlin were to get a crashing F16, it would be a bad idea.

Just saying.

[Bkk Brian]

Looks likes jets are off the cards for the moment but the US is preparing a large new package that now includes long range precision guided rockets/bombs. Range of about 94 miles. These will devastate Russian supply lines and other targets making a great combination for when the tanks arrive.

 

U.S. readies $2 billion-plus Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States is readying more than $2 billion worth of military aid for Ukraine that is expected to include longer-range rockets for the first time as well as other munitions and weapons, two U.S. officials briefed on the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

The weapons aid is expected to be announced as soon as this week, the officials said. It is also expected to include support equipment for Patriot air defense systems, precision guided munitions and Javelin anti-tank weapons, they added.

 

One of the officials said a portion of the package, expected to be $1.725 billion, would come from a fund known as the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), which allows President Joe Biden's administration to get weapons from industry rather than from existing U.S. weapons stocks.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-readies-2-billion-plus-223944008.html

 

https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb

[vandeventer]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Arm Ukraine to win ASAP.

What is the point of all this otherwise?

Well the US and the UK can give back the nukes that Russia took as not to invade the Ukraine. That would bring this whole mess to a end and maybe live as we know it.

[JonnyF]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Arm Ukraine to win ASAP.

What is the point of all this otherwise?

Just need to wait a few months like they did for the tanks. 

 

 

[expat_4_life]

Pretty obvious to me that Ukraine is losing this war.

 

If they were winning they would not need more weapons. Thus far they've burned through the old soviet era weapons, not just theirs but also of the former Warsaw Pact countries, the western supplied anti-tank stingers/manpads, artillery and in the coming months they will burn through the new shipments of tanks and armored vehicles.  

 

I don't think anything the west can supply will change the outcome, but it will ensure many more needless deaths. All F-16s will do is draw out the conflict and risk even further escalation.

 

It feels like the West is in a trap, they can't stop escalating.  Any country that does not continue to give more and higher tech weaponry is going to be the country that takes the blame when this war is lost.

 

Diplomacy is the only way out.

 

 

[LosLobo]

7 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

Pretty obvious to me that Ukraine is losing this war.

 

If they were winning they would not need more weapons. Thus far they've burned through the old soviet era weapons, not just theirs but also of the former Warsaw Pact countries, the western supplied anti-tank stingers/manpads, artillery and in the coming months they will burn through the new shipments of tanks and armored vehicles.  

 

I don't think anything the west can supply will change the outcome, but it will ensure many more needless deaths. All F-16s will do is draw out the conflict and risk even further escalation.

 

It feels like the West is in a trap, they can't stop escalating.  Any country that does not continue to give more and higher tech weaponry is going to be the country that takes the blame when this war is lost.

 

Diplomacy is the only way out.

 

 

Pretty obvious to me that Russia is losing this war.

 

If they were winning they would not need more weapons...... from North Korea and Iran!

[Longwood50]

16 hours ago, Black Ops said:

US President Joe Biden has ruled out sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, despite renewed calls from Ukrainian officials for urgent air support.

Perhaps Joe could suggest that Ukraine contact Afghanistan.  Joe left a few billion worth of U.S. weapons there. 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Just need to wait a few months like they did for the tanks. 

 

 

Exactly.

[Jingthing]

Russia may be losing but time is on their side and they are acting like they have all the time and fresh human sacrifices in the world.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly.

Makes you wonder why a few months ago, he declared sending them would amount to WW3.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Makes you wonder why a few months ago, he declared sending them would amount to WW3.

That's taking it out of context, he clearly said what is in the vid, which included a combination of jet fighters piloted by Americans. Taking one single snippet from the whole statement does not make it a whole.

 

Biden: "The idea that we're going to have tanks and planes and trains with American pilots and crews"

 

That is not happening, the crews for the 31 tanks will be Ukrainian. Plus its not expected to be for many months yet.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's taking it out of context, he clearly said what is in the vid, which included a combination of jet fighters piloted by Americans. Taking one single snippet from the whole statement does not make it a whole.

 

Biden: "The idea that we're going to have tanks and planes and trains with American pilots and crews"

 

That is not happening, the crews for the 31 tanks will be Ukrainian. Plus its not expected to be for many months yet.

Nonsense. The message was very clear that supporting the Ukranians would escalate the situation. If you think that publicly declaring that you are sending tanks from the US to help Ukranians fight Russians does not amount to the same thing is ridiculous. 

 

If he'd have sent tanks and planes with American crews and pilots you'd have said "Ah, doesn't count - he didn't send any trains". Laughable. 

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nonsense. The message was very clear that supporting the Ukranians would escalate the situation. If you think that publicly declaring that you are sending tanks from the US to help Ukranians fight Russians does not amount to the same thing is ridiculous. 

 

If he'd have sent tanks and planes with American crews and pilots you'd have said "Ah, doesn't count - he didn't send any trains". Laughable. 

His message was : "The idea that we're going to have tanks and planes and trains with American pilots and crews" would lead to WW111

 

Your interpretation is an opinion that I do not share and one that was not stated by him.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Bkk Brian
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[Kwasaki]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Tell that to Putin.

You can't tell Putin anything, his quite happy to carry on getting rid of Russia's aging weaponry.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

You can't tell Putin anything, his quite happy to carry on getting rid of Russia's aging weaponry.

Fine, but he doesn't have any modern weaponry to replace them. He's estimated to have only a handful of his newest main battle tanks. Same goes for his newest fighter jets.

[Kwasaki]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Is Putin's upcoming spring escalation a good idea?

I don't know, I hope it's another failure if there's one to be seen.

[Kwasaki]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Well then tell Mr Putin to get the (@&$#)out of Ukraine 

No ones telling Putin anything, so it will go on. 

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Unfortunately a one way trip in an F16, may be from an airport in Ukraine to Moscow, and

if the Kremlin were to get a crashing F16, it would be a bad idea.

Just saying.

Why would it they have the equivalent the SU57. 

[Kwasaki]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Fine, but he doesn't have any modern weaponry to replace them. He's estimated to have only a handful of his newest main battle tanks. Same goes for his newest fighter jets.

Estimated being the key word by the American war experts no doubt is not something I would not take any notice of. 

[bannork]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks likes jets are off the cards for the moment but the US is preparing a large new package that now includes long range precision guided rockets/bombs. Range of about 94 miles. These will devastate Russian supply lines and other targets making a great combination for when the tanks arrive.

 

U.S. readies $2 billion-plus Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States is readying more than $2 billion worth of military aid for Ukraine that is expected to include longer-range rockets for the first time as well as other munitions and weapons, two U.S. officials briefed on the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

The weapons aid is expected to be announced as soon as this week, the officials said. It is also expected to include support equipment for Patriot air defense systems, precision guided munitions and Javelin anti-tank weapons, they added.

 

One of the officials said a portion of the package, expected to be $1.725 billion, would come from a fund known as the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), which allows President Joe Biden's administration to get weapons from industry rather than from existing U.S. weapons stocks.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-readies-2-billion-plus-223944008.html

 

https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb

 

[blazes]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Looks likes jets are off the cards for the moment but the US is preparing a large new package that now includes long range precision guided rockets/bombs. Range of about 94 miles. These will devastate Russian supply lines and other targets making a great combination for when the tanks arrive.

 

U.S. readies $2 billion-plus Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States is readying more than $2 billion worth of military aid for Ukraine that is expected to include longer-range rockets for the first time as well as other munitions and weapons, two U.S. officials briefed on the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

The weapons aid is expected to be announced as soon as this week, the officials said. It is also expected to include support equipment for Patriot air defense systems, precision guided munitions and Javelin anti-tank weapons, they added.

 

One of the officials said a portion of the package, expected to be $1.725 billion, would come from a fund known as the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), which allows President Joe Biden's administration to get weapons from industry rather than from existing U.S. weapons stocks.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-readies-2-billion-plus-223944008.html

 

https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb

Oh goody.  My shares in Raytheon and Northrop Grumman are going to zoom upwards.  Thanks, Joe.

Edited February 1, 2023 by blazes