Mexico rejects any effort to reinstate 'remain in Mexico' policy for asylum-seekers

[Scott]

 Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Monday it rejects any effort to reimplement the controversial Trump-era policy known as "remain in Mexico" for asylum-seekers.

The policy, officially named the "Migrant Protection Protocols" (MPP), requires some asylum-seekers to be sent back to Mexico during immigration proceedings. 

In December, U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk halted the Biden administration's latest attempt to end the program while a legal challenge, launched by Texas and Missouri aimed at forcing its reinstatement, is considered in court.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story?id=96939554

[thaibeachlovers]

Finish the wall and make them stay there then. They are only a US problem if they get onto US soil.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Finish the wall and make them stay there then. They are only a US problem if they get onto US soil.

Don’t worry they are all being sent to New Zealand !

[Emdog]

If they want to get into the US to claim political asylum as a basis, it begs the question why can't they apply for asylum in Mexico? I'm a liberal, but this is messed up &  that most are coming for economic reasons. If that wasn't so, they would have stopped & applied for asylum as soon as they left the dangerous country they are citizens of....

[Scott]

On 2/7/2023 at 10:47 PM, Emdog said:

If they want to get into the US to claim political asylum as a basis, it begs the question why can't they apply for asylum in Mexico? I'm a liberal, but this is messed up &  that most are coming for economic reasons. If that wasn't so, they would have stopped & applied for asylum as soon as they left the dangerous country they are citizens of....

Many of them do not request asylum in Mexico because it is not a country where they want to be.  Mexico took over 45,000 refugees last year, almost double the year before.  Mexico also offers a number of options for those from Central America to remain in Mexico temporarily. 

 

For those who are purely economic migrants, they will not qualify as a refugee in Mexico and they won't in the US either.  

 

I don't think people realize the number of people who are denied asylum.  In 2020, 71% of applicants were denied.  In the same year, 185,884 people were deported.  Many prospective immigrants, when faced with forcible deportation, voluntarily return and avoid a court order that will bar them ever entering the US.  

 

The extremely slow process is a large part of the problem.  By the time the immigration process is over and someone has been determined not to be eligible to remain in the US, they may have secured long-term employment, married and had a child (who is a US citizen).  It starts getting complicated when you start talking about splitting a family up and deporting someone who is a parent and the main provider for a family.  

 

https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/667/

[tgw]

Procedures for requesting asylum are outdated, ineffective and mostly unfair everywhere.

 

And at the same time, there is no easy solution nor, seemingly, even a difficult one.

 

Globalization and international mobility put developed countries' social systems at risk and popped leftists' dreams there of egalitarian societies.

It seems to me that helping true asylum seekers can't be done without implementing very strict procedures that will cost money and require international cooperation.

[Tug]

Hire more immigration judges and investigators to start and lock up our congressmen and senators untle they come up with a better solution and thanks Scott for your obviously clear concise post from someone who obviously knows what they are talking about and for your service blessings!

[Scott]

In many regards, the system is a little too legalistic.  It does not require an immigration judge to hear each case.  There are a lot of models that work quite well. 

 

In Hong Kong, for example, there was a Special Committee for Unaccompanied Minors and Vulnerable Persons.  Professionals were hired to interview children, gather background information and make an assessment to a refugee claim.  Vulnerable people were those who were medically or mentally not fit to clearly articulate their claim.  Some had experienced serious trauma -- in particular I remember a group of 4 who were the only survivors of a boat that was robbed and had a number of people raped and killed.  Their engine was disabled and they floated aimlessly at sea for over a month.  They had no food or water.  Some parents drowned their children because they couldn't bear to see them suffer.  In the end, some bodies were cannibalized.  Needless to say, the 4 survivors were physically and mentally not in position to face an in-depth interview.

 

The professionals did the interviews, wrote the reports and made a recommendation on refugee status.  That committee could also propose a durable solution of resettlement even if a child was not a refugee.  This was rarely used, but in the event that a child was orphaned, for example, they could be resettled.  The report went to a small committee, including a legal specialist on refugee law, who generally signed off. 

 

It is pretty easy to separate the economic migrants from the legitimate asylum seekers.  There are always a handful of cases that complicated or contentious and require more attention and some sort of appeal.  

[KhunLA]

Mexico don't want them either, knowing most get turned down.

 

USA / Mexico border number ... mind boggling

Thanks Joe, for cancelling Trumps stay in MX till approved policy

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/ft_21-11-01_mexicoborder_2/

[KhunLA]

While on subject of Immigration:

 

"How many immigrants entered the US in 2022?

According to Vintage 2022 population estimates released today, net international migration added more than a million people to the U.S. population between July 1, 2021 and July 1, 2022.Dec 22, 2565 BE"

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html#:~:text=According to Vintage 2022 population,2021 and July 1%2C 2022.

 

A wee bit more than this number ... some excess:

"The body of law governing U.S. immigration policy is called the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA allows the United States to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year across various visa categories." Sep 14, 2564 BE

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works

 

How's that compare to rest of the world:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country

Edited February 9, 2023 by KhunLA

[Credo]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

While on subject of Immigration:

 

"How many immigrants entered the US in 2022?

According to Vintage 2022 population estimates released today, net international migration added more than a million people to the U.S. population between July 1, 2021 and July 1, 2022.Dec 22, 2565 BE"

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html#:~:text=According to Vintage 2022 population,2021 and July 1%2C 2022.

 

A wee bit more than this number ... some excess:

"The body of law governing U.S. immigration policy is called the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA allows the United States to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year across various visa categories." Sep 14, 2564 BE

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works

 

How's that compare to rest of the world:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country

Those numbers are under the Trump administration.   I thought he was the one you admired for his immigration policies?

 

[Jingthing]

Mexico is right to assert their sovereignty in this.

[Scott]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

While on subject of Immigration:

 

"How many immigrants entered the US in 2022?

According to Vintage 2022 population estimates released today, net international migration added more than a million people to the U.S. population between July 1, 2021 and July 1, 2022.Dec 22, 2565 BE"

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html#:~:text=According to Vintage 2022 population,2021 and July 1%2C 2022.

 

A wee bit more than this number ... some excess:

"The body of law governing U.S. immigration policy is called the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA allows the United States to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year across various visa categories." Sep 14, 2564 BE

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works

 

How's that compare to rest of the world:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country

You are mixing up some important groups.  They are very different.

 

Many, many people who enter the US legally do not enter as permanent residents.  For example, the 76,000 Afghani's who were evacuated and brought to the US are here on temporary status under Humanitarian Parole.   Temporary immigration status, is set to expire for most evacuees this summer.  What happens to them is a matter for Congress to decide.

 

As for refugee numbers in various countries, the country that takes the most refugees in is Turkey.  The other leading contenders are:

 

Turkey with 3.7 million, Colombia with 2.5 million Germany with 2.2 million Pakistan with 1.5 million Uganda with 1.5 million https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/

[thaibeachlovers]

38 minutes ago, Credo said:

Those numbers are under the Trump administration.   I thought he was the one you admired for his immigration policies?

 

I don't know about him, but I respected Trump's efforts to prevent them becoming a problem for the US by simply stopping most from being able to just walk into the country.

If they couldn't cross, they became Mexico's problem and would, IMO, have led to Mexico stopping them entering Mexico in the same way, which would have led to people not making the dangerous journey in the first place.

[Credo]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know about him, but I respected Trump's efforts to prevent them becoming a problem for the US by simply stopping most from being able to just walk into the country.

If they couldn't cross, they became Mexico's problem and would, IMO, have led to Mexico stopping them entering Mexico in the same way, which would have led to people not making the dangerous journey in the first place.

He created a massive mess.  He separated children from their parents.  Parents who met the criteria to remain in the states were moved to other facilities and eventually turned loose.  By that time, the children had been moved.   

 

In many cases, the parents were deported an again the children remained in custody.  The end result was thousands of children separated from their parents with no way of being reunified.  The Trump administration never kept records of where parents or children were sent or which kids belonged to which parents.  It was, and still is, a mess of epic proportion.   And the cost of caring for those children was $800++ a day for basic care, not including things like health care and other services.  Here's a little from Reuters about 8 days ago:

Close to 1,000 migrant children separated by Trump yet to be reunited with parents

 

U.S.-Mexico border by the administration of former President Donald Trump have yet to be reunited with their parents despite a two-year effort by President Joe Biden.

 

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on Thursday of the 998 children still separated, 148 were in the process of reunification.

 

Biden, a Democrat, issued an executive order shortly after taking office in January 2021 that established a task force to reunite children separated from their families under Trump, a Republican and immigration hardliner, calling such separations a "human tragedy."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/close-1000-migrant-children-separated-by-trump-yet-be-reunited-with-parents-2023-02-02/

 

Not a shred of humanity in Trump.  None.