From the moment of the BREXIT victory throughout to last week the UK  Government have had an open policy of seeking a path forward for the UK without any involvement of or cooperation with the EU.

 

Then all of a sudden this happened.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/11/revealed-secret-cross-party-summit-held-to-confront-failings-of-brexit

 

 

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Then all of a sudden this happened.

And it happened in secret.

Imagine people would realize that finally even the UK government realizes that Brexit was a bad idea. 

That the UK will in end rejoin the EU is inevitable - how it happens and pace is the only stuff up for debate.

 

There is no way any party can run the UK without closer ties with the EU which eventually will lead to a rejoin.

 

The only thing that is set in stone, with regard to the British Constitution, is that nothing is set in stone.

 

Any law passed in Parliament may me unmade by any future parliament.

 

The only reason that Brexit went through is that MPs, "cross-party", fearful that they would lose their seats if they did what the knew the ought to do (for the better prosperity of the Nation and the overall welfare of the "People") pandering to  the whipped up baying, yelping, idiot mob....... passed the Bill.

 

The Idiot mob now paying the price for their crass stupidity and delusion.......unfortunately it had to be as it is in order for them to truly understand how ******* dumb they were/are.

 

No amount of Sad, Confused and Laughing emojis will change those truths.

 

But carry on children.......your beloved toys have been returned to you, who am I to deny you your inarticulate, infantile gurgles?

 

 

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 Brexit was a bad idea. 

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

6 hours ago, kwilco said:

That the UK will in end rejoin the EU is inevitable - how it happens and pace is the only stuff up for debate.

 

There is no way any party can run the UK without closer ties with the EU which eventually will lead to a rejoin.

 

 

I'm not sure that the EU would welcome us back with open arms, and if they did allow us to return they certainly wouldn't allow us the concessions and opt outs we previously enjoyed before we bailed out.

The people of Britain voted for Brexit solely for the reason of seemingly uncontrolled immigration.At least before Brexit the new arrivals came to work but under this pathetic attempt at a government all the dross of the world are allowed in,filling every 4star hotel (all paid for by British tax payers)and complaining about slow internet.

 It's impossible now to get pick-pocketed in Romania and Albania because they all live in London now.

4 minutes ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

I think you really believe that to be true.

6 hours ago, kwilco said:

That the UK will in end rejoin the EU is inevitable - how it happens and pace is the only stuff up for debate.

I'd suggest a quick invasion of France, followed by a united Europe under British rule.

Guardian ???? and all the emoticons are back ,well done visa ????

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

The only thing that is set in stone, with regard to the British Constitution, is that nothing is set in stone.

 

Any law passed in Parliament may me unmade by any future parliament.

 

The only reason that Brexit went through is that MPs, "cross-party", fearful that they would lose their seats if they did what the knew the ought to do (for the better prosperity of the Nation and the overall welfare of the "People") pandering to  the whipped up baying, yelping, idiot mob....... passed the Bill.

 

The Idiot mob now paying the price for their crass stupidity and delusion.......unfortunately it had to be as it is in order for them to truly understand how ******* dumb they were/are.

 

No amount of Sad, Confused and Laughing emojis will change those truths.

 

But carry on children.......your beloved toys have been returned to you, who am I to deny you your inarticulate, infantile gurgles?

 

 

Brilliant summation enoon. Trouble is, it's not just the idiot mob who are suffering. All Brits with the exception of Mugg's 1% are adversely affected.

 

42 minutes ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

UK never lost it's sovereignty in the first place.

Jeez, it's like pulling teeth.

It was a mistake leaving should have stayed in the EU 

This conversation will go on for years about what if ????

Never mind, the French won't allow you back in for at least a generation, so there'll be plenty of time to enjoy your symbolic sovereignty whilst your economy lies in the ditch.

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And it happened in secret.

Imagine people would realize that finally even the UK government realizes that Brexit was a bad idea. 

Youre right.  where would we be without the Guardian? Scoop after scoop on political sleaze and double-speak in the UK - and yet most people are content to wallow in the Daily Mail. Just goes to show that the public face of most politicians, (excluding that traitor Farang) re Brexit and the damage it has done is false. not sure if this link works https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/11/revealed-secret-cross-party-summit-held-to-confront-failings-of-brexit

1 hour ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

LOL. That was the BIG lie. It is amazing, how a nation that created an empire ended up buying a ticket ''to go where no man has gone before' Pure unadulterated fiction.

1 hour ago, Tish 2 said:

The people of Britain voted for Brexit solely for the reason of seemingly uncontrolled immigration.At least before Brexit the new arrivals came to work but under this pathetic attempt at a government all the dross of the world are allowed in,filling every 4star hotel (all paid for by British tax payers)and complaining about slow internet.

 It's impossible now to get pick-pocketed in Romania and Albania because they all live in London now.

what upsets me no end is all those Johnny Foreigners coming in and taking the place of honest-to-God white boys in the Premier and Championship Football Leagues. It was all very well when the Paddies came in the 1800's and built our roads - they knew their place...................

Cross party talks will serve no purpose unless Sunak pulls the unthinkable and accepts support from Labour MPs to help him get legislation through. 

 

It would be quite an unprecedented move and I can't honestly see it happening but it would be the only way to stand up to the ERG and other groups who are currently holding the Tory party hostage. It actually may be the only way the Conservatives can save themselves from political oblivion.

1 hour ago, theoldgit said:

 

I'm not sure that the EU would welcome us back with open arms, and if they did allow us to return they certainly wouldn't allow us the concessions and opt outs we previously enjoyed before we bailed out.

One of the first things they will want is the 2.3 billion pound fine that the EU imposed on the UK for facilitating the import of fake brand name goods to the EU in 2018.

Hopefully the conclusion to the meeting was to tear up the NI Protocol and send the remains to Brussels in a brown envelope. The EU seems quite good at handling those, along with suitcases full of corrupt cash.

 

It's time for a real Brexit, not some namby pamby deal with the corrupt, bitter EU. Leave the ECHR at the same time.

 

The only good thing that would come from Labour and The Conservatives plotting a return to the EU in darkened, smoky rooms out of the view of those pesky voters would be that it would lead to the brutal collapse of both parties and leave a vacuum in British politics which could lead to the forming of a new party that truly represents the masses.

 

Frankly, given the state of the two main parties right now I think that would be a huge benefit to the UK.

2 hours ago, theoldgit said:

 

I'm not sure that the EU would welcome us back with open arms, and if they did allow us to return they certainly wouldn't allow us the concessions and opt outs we previously enjoyed before we bailed out.

Good. 

 

It would never happen anyway, but if the talk ever gained traction then the worse the deal, the less likely it would be to happen. Hopefully, they would make rejoining dependent on Macron becoming both UK PM and UK Head of State, with Eva Kaili as Mayor of London. Given their arrogance, I wouldn't put it past them.

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Good. 

 

It would never happen anyway, but if the talk ever gained traction then the worse the deal, the less likely it would be to happen. Hopefully, they would make rejoining dependent on Macron becoming both UK PM and UK Head of State, with Eva Kaili as Mayor of London. Given their arrogance, I wouldn't put it past them.

You are of course entitled to your view, Brexit certainly isn’t delivering what we were promised, but hang on to your dreams.

2 hours ago, theoldgit said:

 

I'm not sure that the EU would welcome us back with open arms, and if they did allow us to return they certainly wouldn't allow us the concessions and opt outs we previously enjoyed before we bailed out.

The benefits of those concessions were explained to Brexiteers before the referendum.

 

They chose to ignore facts and went with emotions.

 

2 hours ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

The UK including Northern Ireland presumably?

2 hours ago, Tish 2 said:

The people of Britain voted for Brexit solely for the reason of seemingly uncontrolled immigration.At least before Brexit the new arrivals came to work but under this pathetic attempt at a government all the dross of the world are allowed in,filling every 4star hotel (all paid for by British tax payers)and complaining about slow internet.

 It's impossible now to get pick-pocketed in Romania and Albania because they all live in London now.

Not all the people of the UK voted for Brexit, only a narrow majority swallowed the Brexit lies.

 

Take up your grievances listed in your post with the people who promised you they’d take back control.

 

Either they have not taken back control or they aren’t using the control they have to do what they promised.

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Hopefully the conclusion to the meeting was to tear up the NI Protocol and send the remains to Brussels in a brown envelope. The EU seems quite good at handling those, along with suitcases full of corrupt cash.

 

It's time for a real Brexit, not some namby pamby deal with the corrupt, bitter EU. Leave the ECHR at the same time.

 

The only good thing that would come from Labour and The Conservatives plotting a return to the EU in darkened, smoky rooms out of the view of those pesky voters would be that it would lead to the brutal collapse of both parties and leave a vacuum in British politics which could lead to the forming of a new party that truly represents the masses.

 

Frankly, given the state of the two main parties right now I think that would be a huge benefit to the UK.

Wake up and smell the coffee Johnny.

 

Hard Brexit is over, the whole point of the meeting is to reverse the direction of Government policy.

 

The Tories aren’t leading here they are following the direction of public opinion.

 

 

2 hours ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

I guess next thing you will repeat: Brexit means Brexit.

Yeah, sure.

 

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Good. 

 

It would never happen anyway, but if the talk ever gained traction then the worse the deal, the less likely it would be to happen. Hopefully, they would make rejoining dependent on Macron becoming both UK PM and UK Head of State, with Eva Kaili as Mayor of London. Given their arrogance, I wouldn't put it past them.

Let’s stick with some realities shall we.

 

After years of denying the evidence of the damage Brexit is doing to the UK the Government have held a cross party conference to discuss the problems of Brexit.

 

The significant issues are firstly admitting the problems and secondly precisely who it is that have been included in this conference.

 

This is, as I suggest in OP to this thread, a point of inflection

 

 

 

2 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Guardian ???? and all the emoticons are back ,well done visa ????

Have the rightwing pro Brexit press reported this conference yet?

 

If not, why not?

 

Where’s their usual pro Brexit outrage?

 

 

2 hours ago, wombat said:

UK regained its sovereignty...

That was not a bad Idea.

Do you mean that the UK should then also leave NATO ?