Finland starts construction of Russia border fence

[Social Media]

BBC News

 

Finland has begun constructing a 200km (124 mile) fence on its border with Russia to boost security.

The Border Guard said it will be 3m (10ft) tall with barbed wire on top.

Finland shares the longest European Union border with Russia, at 1,340km (832 miles). At present, Finland's borders are secured primarily by light wooden fences.

Finland decided to build the fence due to a rise in Russians seeking to escape conscription to fight in Ukraine.

The Nordic country also moved closer to joining the Nato alliance on Tuesday. Its parliament started debating a bill to speed up the country's bid, with a vote expected on Wednesday.

Work on the fence at the Imatra border crossing started on Tuesday with forest clearance, while road construction and fence installation are planned to start in March.

[Tug]

Good for you Finland and I’m sure that if push comes to shove they will back up their border with more than just a fence as the Russians have found out in the past 

[EVENKEEL]

It's a well known fact that building a wall/fence doesn't work and is not needed. Or do they work? Which is it?

[kwonitoy]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's a well known fact that building a wall/fence doesn't work and is not needed. Or do they work? Which is it?

Against Mexicans it appears to not work so well. 50 ft wall and 51 ft ladder as one politician put it

 

To Orcs on the otherhand it might as well be a force field

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

The Nordic country also moved closer to joining the Nato alliance on Tuesday.

Putin remains an expert strategist.......

now this one is sarcasm alert!

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed give it a rest with the racist card its off topic, not applicable and not wanted on this topic

[Tug]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's a well known fact that building a wall/fence doesn't work and is not needed. Or do they work? Which is it?

No it won’t work to keep determend people out but it would serve as a line of demarcation and as a tripwire for defense if needed 

[EVENKEEL]

58 minutes ago, Tug said:

No it won’t work to keep determend people out but it would serve as a line of demarcation and as a tripwire for defense if needed 

Thanks for the laugh.

[Purdey]

I assume they will get Russia to pay for it.

Not sure of its chances of stopping a tank though.

[BusyB]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wonder which posters that claimed that Trump's wall would never work will be coming on here to make the same claim about this one?

Surely they can't have it both ways?

 

 

Noone with two brain cells to rub together expects this thing to keep anyone out. It's a clear demarcation and it'll undoubtedly be alarm rigged.

 

Mainly so the Neo-soviets know where they shouldn't even stick a toecap over.

 

It'll be interesting to see if Putin claims it encroaches on Russian territory ????

Edited March 1, 2023 by BusyB

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, charmonman said:

We’ll never know if Trump’s wall would ever work since only a few miles of it were ever built. I guess the Mexicans never sent the money.

Trump wall - Wikipedia

The U.S. built new barriers along 455 miles (732 km),[6][7][8] 49 miles (79 km) of which previously had no barrier.[7][8] Much of the remainder consists of 30-foot-tall (9.1 m) steel bollard wall where previously there had been fencing or vehicle barriers.

[Mac Mickmanus]

24 minutes ago, charmonman said:

We’ll never know if Trump’s wall would ever work since only a few miles of it were ever built. I guess the Mexicans never sent the money.

Nothing to do with money ,

Mr Trump left his position as President  and a new guy took over who decided to stop building the wall 

[Tug]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nothing to do with money ,

Mr Trump left his position as President  and a new guy took over who decided to stop building the wall 

Haaa no you seem to have forgotten when old Donnie shut down the government when he was told no on money for his wall the majority of the American people said no I sure remember that’s when chuck and Nancy baited him into a toddlers tantrum on national television how could one forget that lmao ???? 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Purdey said:

I assume they will get Russia to pay for it.

Not sure of its chances of stopping a tank though.

The OP didn't say it was a military installation, it said that it was to stop Russians crossing into Finland.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 hours ago, BusyB said:

Noone with two brain cells to rub together expects this thing to keep anyone out. It's a clear demarcation and it'll undoubtedly be alarm rigged.

 

Mainly so the Neo-soviets know where they shouldn't even stick a toecap over.

 

It'll be interesting to see if Putin claims it encroaches on Russian territory ????

Having no disputed borders is a pre-requisites to join NATO, installing a demarcation fence along the border is almost certainly a statement to meet this NATO membership requirement.

 

 

[BusyB]

On 3/2/2023 at 12:45 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Having no disputed borders is a pre-requisites to join NATO, installing a demarcation fence along the border is almost certainly a statement to meet this NATO membership requirement.

 

 

Good point.

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Anyway, just because the FInns built it, that doesn't make it a good idea. If conditions in Russia grow desperate enough, and no other exits are available, I'd guess that fence won't do much good.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Anyway, just because the FInns built it, that doesn't make it a good idea. If conditions in Russia grow desperate enough, and no other exits are available, I'd guess that fence won't do much good.

I think you will find the fence is there to stop Russian pedestrians wondering around, as well as pointing out the borderline........

[NativeBob]

fins got access to EU purse. wall, maintenance, cameras, lights, razor-wire, night vision devices. Cool way to shake EU for few billions Trump style. 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

fins got access to EU purse. wall, maintenance, cameras, lights, razor-wire, night vision devices. Cool way to shake EU for few billions Trump style. 

Not really, the Fins are making a stance, which is good for all in Europe.....

And please, no Trump stuff..................????

[placeholder]

43 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

fins got access to EU purse. wall, maintenance, cameras, lights, razor-wire, night vision devices. Cool way to shake EU for few billions Trump style. 

Does the EU finance military purchases? 

 

The Finns are net contributors to the EU.

Finland’s per-capita net payments to EU nearly doubled last year to €105
As one of the bloc's wealthier member states, Finland has been a net payer into the EU since 2001.

https://yle.fi/a/3-11033686

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Not really, the Fins are making a stance, which is good for all in Europe.....

And please, no Trump stuff..................????

Finland is in Scandinavia, their stance is more relevant to Scandinavia.

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[NativeBob]

The border wall is good only to prevent "accidental crawlers" to cross the border. for example those africans into european countries or those  crossing Venezuela into Mexico into "Breaking Bad" country. Also there's border (huge and ugly) in Israel built by Bibi for no reason but to shave some $$$ from the budget. 

There are no military purposes of such walls. Even those metal rods of Trump's wall will fall after mere 120 mm.
Or maybe kerosene will melt them 9/11 style? worked just fine there )

Edited March 4, 2023 by Rimmer

[Bkk Brian]

57 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

The border wall is good only to prevent "accidental crawlers" to cross the border. for example those africans into european countries or those  crossing Venezuela into Mexico into "Breaking Bad" country. Also there's border (huge and ugly) in Israel built by Bibi for no reason but to shave some $$$ from the budget. 

There are no military purposes of such walls. Even those metal rods of Trump's wall will fall after mere 120 mm.
Or maybe kerosene will melt them 9/11 style? worked just fine there )

More than 200,000 Russians have fled to Finland, I'm sure there were plenty of accidental crawlers among them that would have been stopped

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More than 200,000 Russians have fled to Finland, I'm sure there were plenty of accidental crawlers among them that would have been stopped

You really think a simple fence is going to stop desperate people? Unless it's heavily patrolled where has that worked?

[placeholder]

26 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

The border wall is good only to prevent "accidental crawlers" to cross the border. for example those africans into european countries or those "proto-humans" crossing Venezuela into Mexico into "Breaking Bad" country. Also there's border (huge and ugly) in Israel built by Bibi for no reason but to shave some $$$ from the budget. 

There are no military purposes of such walls. Even those metal rods of Trump's wall will fall after mere 120 mm.
Or maybe kerosene will melt them 9/11 style? worked just fine there )

What do you mean by "proto-humans"? Who are you quoting? The "proto" in this context would mean "primitive". Do you believe that?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

You really think a simple fence is going to stop desperate people? Unless it's heavily patrolled where has that worked?

Well better than the present light wooded fence. Its a matter of deterrent and providing a clear boundary rather than a relative simple hop over.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well better than the present light wooded fence. Its a matter of deterrent and providing a clear boundary rather than a relative simple hop over.

Well, since the fence hasn't been described in detail, at least so far as I know, maybe it will take more than a pair of wire or bolt cutters to deal with it. If not, I believe those technological marvels are available in Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, since the fence hasn't been described in detail, at least so far as I know, maybe it will take more than a pair of wire or bolt cutters to deal with it. If not, I believe those technological marvels are available in Russia.

 certainly better than the existing:

 

https://raja.fi/en/-/the-finnish-border-guard-s-plan-for-the-fence-on-the-eastern-border-has-been-completed

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 certainly better than the existing:

 

https://raja.fi/en/-/the-finnish-border-guard-s-plan-for-the-fence-on-the-eastern-border-has-been-completed

 

 

That certainly does look more formidable than a simple fence but as the US experience shows, not enough to deter desperate people if that's the only escape route available.