talahtnut 4724 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Britons face the worst decline in living standards since records began in the 1950s, and the highest tax burden since WWII, a report shows. Stay in thailand as long as you can. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam 56387 Posted March 18 Popular Post Share Posted March 18 (edited) I think most of us know that, and have been for many a year..... But my mum and dad knew more about poverty when they were growing up than I do..... Edited March 18 by transam 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff 1373 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Sensationalism. Simple research proves you are the OP us inaccurate. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton 6726 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Three years ago I thought of buying a flat back home, asking how much the water cost it was more a month than I pay here in a year, even if you did not use any! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 18 Popular Post Share Posted March 18 3 minutes ago, proton said: Three years ago I thought of buying a flat back home, asking how much the water cost it was more a month than I pay here in a year, even if you did not use any! You didn't buy a flat in the UK because the water is cheaper in Thailand ? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SatEng 360 Posted March 18 Popular Post Share Posted March 18 A decline in living standards is a relative term as it is taking a baseline of already higher living standards - not as many people in the 1950s would have had a refrigerator, washing machine, indoor lavatory, mobile phone, internet etc. The highest tax burden is more correct as there has been a shift from progressive direct taxation (income tax, rates etc.) to less progressive indirect taxation (VAT etc,) and many relative tax benefits (capital gains reductions, corporate tax loopholes, international revenue transfers etc.) which mean that the tax burden on the average salary has increased. A more telling statistic is that in ten years from 2000, the UK average salary has increased by about 17.5%, which is lower than most European countries, and now surpassed by countries such as Ireland and Norway which used to have a lower average. The other meaningful statistic is that in the same ten-year period the average house price increase was 33% which means less affordability 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 18 Popular Post Share Posted March 18 40 minutes ago, SatEng said: A decline in living standards is a relative term as it is taking a baseline of already higher living standards - not as many people in the 1950s would have had a refrigerator, washing machine, indoor lavatory, mobile phone, internet etc. Even in the 1970s , many households didn't own a television or have a landline phone or a washing machine and unheated homes . Theses days there a television in every room, everyone has a mobile phone and everyone has a washing machine and a drying machine and its usual to have a least one car per household 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy 5984 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Thailand's ok but when the brown stuff hits the fan... as it surely does sooner or later? Good for a single guy with substantial means for sure regardless. Edited March 18 by mommysboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle 1418 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Even in the 1970s , many households didn't own a television or have a landline phone or a washing machine and unheated homes . Theses days there a television in every room, everyone has a mobile phone and everyone has a washing machine and a drying machine and its usual to have a least one car per household Do you really think consumer goods is quality of life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 18 Popular Post Share Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, In the jungle said: Do you really think consumer goods is quality of life? I do, yes . Having a warm house is a better quality of life than a freezing cold house . Having a washing machine is a better quality of life than hand washing clothes 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton 6726 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You didn't buy a flat in the UK because the water is cheaper in Thailand ? Along with the council tax, the neighbours and the price 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, In the jungle said: Do you really think consumer goods is quality of life? Is this a better quality of life ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK 1040 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You didn't buy a flat in the UK because the water is cheaper in Thailand ? Probably because the purchase would cost x100 times the Thai price 😁 West is done Stick a fork in it 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo 71704 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 11 hours ago, SatEng said: not as many people in the 1950s would have had a refrigerator, washing machine, indoor lavatory, mobile phone, internet etc. Not to forget rationing was still going until 1954. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkk6060 19145 Posted March 19 Popular Post Share Posted March 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Even in the 1970s , many households didn't own a television or have a landline phone or a washing machine and unheated homes . Theses days there a television in every room, everyone has a mobile phone and everyone has a washing machine and a drying machine and its usual to have a least one car per household Right, but many people now cannot afford a place with enough room to put all that stuff. Edited March 19 by bkk6060 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henryford 9095 Posted March 19 Popular Post Share Posted March 19 The one year decline might be worse but living standards in 2023 are way above 1953. When i was a lad, no colour plasma tvs, no mobile phones, no satellite tv, no foreign holidays every year, no central heating...........etc. People don't accept how much better off we are now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo 71704 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Henryford said: The one year decline might be worse but living standards in 2023 are way above 1953. When i was a lad, no colour plasma tvs, no mobile phones, no satellite tv, no foreign holidays every year, no central heating...........etc. People don't accept how much better off we are now. I can read any book, watch any movie, listen to any music without leaving my home. That's got to be worth something!! "Slouching Towards Utopia: The Economic History of the Twentieth Century by J. Bradford de Long" Is worth a read Edited March 19 by BritManToo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2023 at 7:06 PM, transam said: I think most of us know that, and have been for many a year..... But my mum and dad knew more about poverty when they were growing up than I do..... Your mum and dad, like everyone of their generation, also knew a lot about living standards continually improving. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2023 at 7:53 PM, SatEng said: A decline in living standards is a relative term as it is taking a baseline of already higher living standards - not as many people in the 1950s would have had a refrigerator, washing machine, indoor lavatory, mobile phone, internet etc. The highest tax burden is more correct as there has been a shift from progressive direct taxation (income tax, rates etc.) to less progressive indirect taxation (VAT etc,) and many relative tax benefits (capital gains reductions, corporate tax loopholes, international revenue transfers etc.) which mean that the tax burden on the average salary has increased. A more telling statistic is that in ten years from 2000, the UK average salary has increased by about 17.5%, which is lower than most European countries, and now surpassed by countries such as Ireland and Norway which used to have a lower average. The other meaningful statistic is that in the same ten-year period the average house price increase was 33% which means less affordability Conversely ordinary working people had the possibility of buying an affordable home, access to work place pensions and life long employment. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2023 at 8:38 PM, Mac Mickmanus said: Even in the 1970s , many households didn't own a television or have a landline phone or a washing machine and unheated homes . Theses days there a television in every room, everyone has a mobile phone and everyone has a washing machine and a drying machine and its usual to have a least one car per household Back when jobs were plentiful, houses affordable, young people could get a real apprenticeship, year on year improvement in living standards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post In the jungle 1418 Posted March 20 Popular Post Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Back when jobs were plentiful, houses affordable, young people could get a real apprenticeship, year on year improvement in living standards. Back in the 1970s I got a university education in the UK and it was entirely free. The tuition fees were paid by the taxpayer and I received a student grant from my local authority which covered my living expenses. I walked away with a degree and no debt. That has been a lifelong asset that trumps any amount of consumer tat. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/19/2023 at 2:19 AM, Henryford said: The one year decline might be worse but living standards in 2023 are way above 1953. When i was a lad, no colour plasma tvs, no mobile phones, no satellite tv, no foreign holidays every year, no central heating...........etc. People don't accept how much better off we are now. Some people didn't even have beds , one of my friends had to sleep in a puddle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff 1373 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Conversely ordinary working people had the possibility of buying an affordable home, access to work place pensions and life long employment. All available today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff 1373 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Back when jobs were plentiful, houses affordable, young people could get a real apprenticeship, year on year improvement in living standards. All available today. Did you know, for example, there are currently over 1m job vacancies in UK? You nust know about it, you mention the lack of work force on Brexit threads enough times. I've just bought a property. Only 3 times annual income. About the same ratio as my parents in 1967. A standard job, standard property, not over spending like many. Standard of living improving nicely. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus 14581 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2023 at 11:55 PM, VinnieK said: Probably because the purchase would cost x100 times the Thai price 😁 West is done Stick a fork in it More like 5-10 times the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo 71704 Posted March 20 Popular Post Share Posted March 20 Took my rabbit to the vet this week ...... $3 (100bht) Friend took her rabbit to a UK vet .... 100GBP. Both rabbits had the same problem (ear mites, Ivermectin injection). I couldn't afford to keep pets in the UK. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Popular Post Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: All available today. Did you know, for example, there are currently over 1m job vacancies in UK? You nust know about it, you mention the lack of work force on Brexit threads enough times. I've just bought a property. Only 3 times annual income. About the same ratio as my parents in 1967. A standard job, standard property, not over spending like many. Standard of living improving nicely. There are indeed around 1 million vacancies, significant numbers of which are zero hour contracts or short term contract jobs, not the secure jobs with work place benefits that built the wealth of baby boomers.. National statics on income to house price ratios are available, and a lot more reliable than claims made on anonymous Internet forums. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2021 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 36 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: All available today. No where near as available or affordable as they were only a few decades ago. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff 1373 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: There are indeed around 1 million vacancies, significant numbers of which are zero hour contracts or short term contract jobs, not the secure jobs with work place benefits that built the wealth of baby boomers.. National statics on income to house price ratios are available, and a lot more reliable than claims made on anonymous Internet forums. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2021 Incorrect. Speaking from experience. Seeing as you don't like using others experience to make conversation, take time to search for yourself. Healthcare, NHS, supermarkets, opticians......to name a few, all offering jobs with futures, good contracts and pensions. Edited March 20 by youreavinalaff 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot 52839 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 12 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: Incorrect. Speaking from experience. Seeing as you don't like using others experience to make conversation, take time to search for yourself. Healthcare, NHS, supermarkets, opticians......to name a few, all offering jobs with futures, good contracts and pensions. As you wish: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/key-workers-vacancies-jobs-pay-city-guilds-b2006288.html https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2019/11/21/low-wage-work-is-more-pervasive-than-you-think-and-there-arent-enough-good-jobs-to-go-around/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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