Brickleberry Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I have a family member moving to study in China. Is it possible to set up a VPN on my router for them to access the internet, as if they were here in Thailand, or would it be best to use a third party VPN provider? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Only certain routers allow VPNs to be installed directly on them according to Express. Is the family member taking your router to China? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, KannikaP said: Only certain routers allow VPNs to be installed directly on them according to Express. Is the family member taking your router to China? No, I was thinking I could set up a VPN server on my router here, and they could tunnel their traffic through it? I'm not an IT expert, so I'm not sure if it would work this way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauptmannUK Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I used to work in China quite often and ExpressVPN was one of the few that worked (mostly...). Be aware that internet access in China can be fraught with difficulty and frustration and VPNs are banned (theoretically at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I have online lessons daily with my students in all regions of China, typically 10 lessons a day. Most students use Zoom, some use Zhumu, 1 uses Voov. None of them use a VPN and we have no issues about the internet connection. The only time that they would need to use a VPN is to access Youtube, Google Search etc which are blocked in China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pouatchee said: A couple years ago here we weren't allowed to discuss vpn's And only 9 months ago we were not allowed to buy, sell or indulge in Cannabis. Times change. VPNs are everywhere now, as is cannabis! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDisplayName Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I worked in China for years, accessing external internet with ExpressVPN. Excellent customer service, hundreds of international servers, with constant updates to keep track of Great Firewall software changes. Your account can be used by up to three devices simultaneously. Load the mobile app to use in cafes and shops. VPN's aren't illegal in China, but they aren't encouraged either. Businesses need a VPN to function, and have to apply for permits. Regular folks don't fall under that rule. VPN's until recently were advertised on Taobao. No longer offered there, but it's easy enough to download software, even within China. Would be advisable to set up the laptop before leaving to have it running properly. Internet access with a VPN can be problematic at times, especially during major party meetings. Expect major Great Firewall upgrades and interference with server access for a week or so around these events. Schedule credit card payments and other important things in advance. The Chinese government is not trying to completely block western internet sites, as that would be impossible. They're trying to make it frustrating for the average Chinese citizen so they'll stick to the easily-accessed approved sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brickleberry Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Is it be possible to set up a remote connection to my router that would enable them to connect as if they were in my home? I know it can be done outside of China, but would this method unlock Netflix, YouTube etc. and get over the great firewall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongeworthy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 52 minutes ago, Brickleberry said: Is it be possible to set up a remote connection to my router that would enable them to connect as if they were in my home? Yes 52 minutes ago, Brickleberry said: I know it can be done outside of China, but would this method unlock Netflix, YouTube etc. and get over the great firewall? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 China does not block VPN per sé, only known IP addresses of large VPN providers, I have used my own VPN server when visited mainland China and even the simple OpenVPN protocol worked, without any obfuscation. So I give 99% that if you setup a VPN server on your router in Thailand it will work in China without problems. If you have a dedicated public IP address, of course. and I give 90% that if you would use a public VPN provider then it will not work in China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, fdsa said: China does not block VPN per sé, only known IP addresses of large VPN providers, I have used my own VPN server when visited mainland China and even the simple OpenVPN protocol worked, without any obfuscation. So I give 99% that if you setup a VPN server on your router in Thailand it will work in China without problems. If you have a dedicated public IP address, of course. and I give 90% that if you would use a public VPN provider then it will not work in China. Amazing! Could you direct me to any tutorials online where I can set this up please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Brickleberry said: Amazing! Could you direct me to any tutorials online where I can set this up please? Sorry, I do not have any. first of all read the manual for your router or google "your router model +openvpn" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Some posts and responses removed for false information. There is absolutely no problem discussing the use of a VPN or even recommending one, happens all the time . Perhaps some are confusing the "dont discuss ad blocking" ? that is frowned upon and is stated in the forum rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakieblue Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Brickleberry said: Is it be possible to set up a remote connection to my router that would enable them to connect as if they were in my home? I know it can be done outside of China, but would this method unlock Netflix, YouTube etc. and get over the great firewall? Yes, with an OpenVPN server setup on your router. Simple, effective and very secure. Edited March 27, 2023 by jakieblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakieblue Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 17 hours ago, fdsa said: If you have a dedicated public IP address, of course. Not true, as most, if not all Thai ISP internet services offer dynamic shared IP's, the use of a DDNS service overcomes the limitations imposed by remotely connecting to a network that uses a dynamic IP address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi3eddie Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 17 hours ago, fdsa said: China does not block VPN per sé, only known IP addresses of large VPN providers, I have used my own VPN server when visited mainland China and even the simple OpenVPN protocol worked, without any obfuscation. So I give 99% that if you setup a VPN server on your router in Thailand it will work in China without problems. If you have a dedicated public IP address, of course. and I give 90% that if you would use a public VPN provider then it will not work in China. I use a Synology Diskstation located at my UK home as my own personal VPN. To operate, it needs to use DDNS as the ISP may change the IP address from time to time. I don't have dedicated IP address. Therefore to access the VPN I need to access *******.dscloud.biz which forwards to the home server. I was recently in Myanmar and it seemed that they had blocked access and I couldn't even access the server for files let alone use it as a VPN. When I returned to Thailand it was fine. Suspect that China may block anything they know can be used as a VPN too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00dle Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 17 hours ago, fdsa said: If you have a dedicated public IP address, of course. key statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, jakieblue said: Yes, with an OpenVPN server setup on your router. Simple, effective and very secure. Thank you for your message, I'll research this option more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persimmon Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I have Norton VPN ( free with Norton 360 ) . Tried it a month ago and it was ok , now it doesn`t work - I get the message " Your network provider is blocking VPN access " . Is this common in Thailand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchcat Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Instead of a VPN, why not use Tor or Tails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, watchcat said: Instead of a VPN, why not use Tor or Tails? Tor bridges don't work well in China, and they are ridiculously slow if they do. I'm researching how to use cloudflare / WARP + tails to set up a remote connection to my home router in the cloud. Not sure if it'll work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunHeineken Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 You can set up a VPN to your router, but I suggested a set of these to another member recently. They work great, and are plug and play straight out of the box. https://www.homingsystems.com I won't go into all the tech side of them and answer questions again. I'll just bump the other thread and you can read about them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 On 3/29/2023 at 5:42 PM, KhunHeineken said: You can set up a VPN to your router, but I suggested a set of these to another member recently. They work great, and are plug and play straight out of the box. https://www.homingsystems.com I won't go into all the tech side of them and answer questions again. I'll just bump the other thread and you can read about them there. I think I have another method! Could I flash install linux / ubuntu on an android TV box, turn it into a server, and then use this to connect to my home broadband with the assistance of OpenVPN or other tools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 For anyone interested, I asked ChatGPT and it provided full instructions. I was able to turn my android box into a private vpn server. When in doubt, ask a computer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunHeineken Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 11:27 AM, Brickleberry said: I think I have another method! Could I flash install linux / ubuntu on an android TV box, turn it into a server, and then use this to connect to my home broadband with the assistance of OpenVPN or other tools? There are many ways to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunHeineken Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 2:50 PM, Brickleberry said: For anyone interested, I asked ChatGPT and it provided full instructions. I was able to turn my android box into a private vpn server. When in doubt, ask a computer! What protocol are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I used StreamVPN (formally My Expat Network) when I was staying in China. You can't set up a Thailand/China link, but you can choose from a large choice of host countries through which you can route. They also have what they call a 'stealth mode' especially for use when accessing the world from China. Find them here. https://www.streamvpn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 hours ago, KhunHeineken said: What protocol are you using? ipv4 - v2rayN with X-ray installed on the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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