Far-right county throws out voting machines – with nothing to replace them

[Pink Mist]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

But what makes you think that counting ballots by hand is going to settle the issue. This stuff is created by conspiracy theorist trolls and subscribed to by true believers. Tens of millions of them. You don't think they can create other lies which will be believed by these same people?

At the end of the day it's a subject that grinds on all sides. No one wants to ever admit defeat, hence giving out participation awards to kids, its teaches them they are still in it and somebody must have cheated to get the bigger awards. Like claiming the vote was rigged  or stolen. Where do we begin to end the appeasement of all. 

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37 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

At the end of the day it's a subject that grinds on all sides. No one wants to ever admit defeat, hence giving out participation awards to kids, its teaches them they are still in it and somebody must have cheated to get the bigger awards. Like claiming the vote was rigged  or stolen. Where do we begin to end the appeasement of all. 

Really? Was not wanting to admit defeat a real problem until Trump came along? Where even repeated court decisions and recounts counted for nothing? Not a good idea to legitimate conspiracy theories.

[Pink Mist]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? Was not wanting to admit defeat a real problem until Trump came along? Where even repeated court decisions and recounts counted for nothing? Not a good idea to legitimate conspiracy theories.

I posted to indicate where I believe the problems started, nothing more. You are correct that the biggest complainer has been the former POTUS  who can never admit he has done anything wrong or lost.  It's what feeds the class of people, his support base, I indicated by posting what I did about getting participation trophies without actually earning the trophy as a winner, and how they in turn follow his lead, ergo all of the recounts being done across the country try for different offices.

 

My take, on what Shasta County is doing, is it will shut these type of people down. No room for error as hand counting is what is done now when a vote is disputed, or am I wrong?

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

I posted to indicate where I believe the problems started, nothing more. You are correct that the biggest complainer has been the former POTUS  who can never admit he has done anything wrong or lost.  It's what feeds the class of people, his support base, I indicated by posting what I did about getting participation trophies without actually earning the trophy as a winner, and how they in turn follow his lead, ergo all of the recounts being done across the country try for different offices.

 

My take, on what Shasta County is doing, is it will shut these type of people down. No room for error as hand counting is what is done now when a vote is disputed, or am I wrong?

The only problem I can see is the corrupt right wing Supreme Court stepping in to stop the count because it hit a deadline after court challenges stalls it, thereby handing the election to the Republicans. Does that sound familiar? It should ????

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14 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

I posted to indicate where I believe the problems started, nothing more. You are correct that the biggest complainer has been the former POTUS  who can never admit he has done anything wrong or lost.  It's what feeds the class of people, his support base, I indicated by posting what I did about getting participation trophies without actually earning the trophy as a winner, and how they in turn follow his lead, ergo all of the recounts being done across the country try for different offices.

 

My take, on what Shasta County is doing, is it will shut these type of people down. No room for error as hand counting is what is done now when a vote is disputed, or am I wrong?

Really? Georgia had a complete hand recount. Denialists still don't accept that Biden won there.

The Arizona Senate authorized a hand recount of Maricopa county ballots where widespread fraud was alleged.  Denialists still don't accept that Biden won Arizona.

[Pink Mist]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? Georgia had a complete hand recount. Denialists still don't accept that Biden won there.

The Arizona Senate authorized a hand recount of Maricopa county ballots where widespread fraud was alleged.  Denialists still don't accept that Biden won Arizona.

As I indicated as well, you can not please all of the people all of the time only some of the people. Enjoy.

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5 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

As I indicated as well, you can not please all of the people all of the time only some of the people. Enjoy.

And since you cannot please election denialists whenever an election goes against their candidate, why bother?

[Pink Mist]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And since you cannot please election denialists whenever an election goes against their candidate, why bother?

Now your getting close to baiting. Read the posts I made however you want. At no time did I claim to be a denialist or post any verbiage to indicate any type of rhetoric except the analogy of participation trophies. My posts have been in regards to manual hand counts and that's it. Agree to disagree with your viewpoints about why bother. I am a conservative liberal who votes accordingly, not a fan of the two parties by any means. Tell us how the voting should be done to shut down the issues you post about, denialists 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Pink Mist said:

Now your getting close to baiting. Read the posts I made however you want. At no time did I claim to be a denialist or post any verbiage to indicate any type of rhetoric except the analogy of participation trophies. My posts have been in regards to manual hand counts and that's it. Agree to disagree with your viewpoints about why bother. I am a conservative liberal who votes accordingly, not a fan of the two parties by any means. Tell us how the voting should be done to shut down the issues you post about, denialists 

That's the point, there is no way to shut down the denialists when the results go against them.

Why spend a lot of money, government money, on something that has been proven to not be a problem and will placate noone.

[Pink Mist]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That's the point, there is no way to shut down the denialists when the results go against them.

Why spend a lot of money, government money, on something that has been proven to not be a problem and will placate noone.

Sometimes you need to return to the beginning and rebuild.  Of course that is just my view as two wrongs do not ever make a right.

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2 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

Now your getting close to baiting. Read the posts I made however you want. At no time did I claim to be a denialist or post any verbiage to indicate any type of rhetoric except the analogy of participation trophies. My posts have been in regards to manual hand counts and that's it. Agree to disagree with your viewpoints about why bother. I am a conservative liberal who votes accordingly, not a fan of the two parties by any means. Tell us how the voting should be done to shut down the issues you post about, denialists 

I never accused you of being a denialist or even close, I just construed that you want to appease the denialists by indulging their unreasonable demands. There's no reason to do anything different from the way it's been done. There are no problems with electoral fraud on any meaningful scale. Repeated investigations have shown that. And as I pointed out, not even hand recounts have satisfied those people. So why even bother?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

At the end of the day it's a subject that grinds on all sides. No one wants to ever admit defeat, hence giving out participation awards to kids, its teaches them they are still in it and somebody must have cheated to get the bigger awards. Like claiming the vote was rigged  or stolen. Where do we begin to end the appeasement of all. 

That’s a strange take on this subject.

 

Trump and the extremists in the GOP are on a track to destroy democracy, it is they, nobody else, that is denying factual defeat.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 hours ago, Pink Mist said:

Sometimes you need to return to the beginning and rebuild.  Of course that is just my view as two wrongs do not ever make a right.

That’s not just your view, that’s he view of Steve Bannon and the Alt-Right extremists he associates with.

 

Destroy the Republic and rebuild it as a fascist state.

 

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/trump-ally-steve-bannon-wants-to-destroy-u-s-society-as-we-know-it/

 

 

[Pink Mist]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not just your view, that’s he view of Steve Bannon and the rightwing extremists he as ousted with.

 

Destroy the Republic and rebuild it as a fascist state.

 

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/trump-ally-steve-bannon-wants-to-destroy-u-s-society-as-we-know-it/

Return to the beginning, as in the way we vote, nothing radical like what the MAGA republicans want, as that's not what I meant.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Pink Mist said:

Return to the beginning, as in the way we vote, nothing radical like what the MAGA republicans want, as that's not what I meant.

My apologies, but the idea of ‘a reset’ central to Alt-Right objectives and is common among other authoritarian extremist movements throughout history.

 

There’s a playbook, Trump and the Alt-Right are on it.

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Return to the beginning, as in the way we vote, nothing radical like what the MAGA republicans want, as that's not what I meant.

Why go back humans are far more prone to corruption and faults then computers. Nothing has ever been proven over voting machines. Its even been proven they work good because of manual recounts.

 

Going back is just appeasing dinosaurs and extremists who by your own posts wont be happy anyway. So why. Probably just so people can keep saying the election was stolen and now with manual voting can influence it more.

 

Even Rupert Murdoch had to admit in court that there was no proof for his allegations. This is a powerful rich man. If there was anything he would have used it for his defense.

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7 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Return to the beginning, as in the way we vote, nothing radical like what the MAGA republicans want, as that's not what I meant.

It it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Pink Mist]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

My apologies, but the idea of ‘a reset’ central to Alt-Right objectives and is common among other authoritarian extremist movements throughout history.

 

There’s a playbook, Trump and the Alt-Right are on it.

Did you see my voting party I posted above in one of my posts. Completely different views and not those of Dems either.

[Pink Mist]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yes you have made that clear as your view. We can agree to disagree and move on. My views obviously are to expensive.

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4 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Yes you have made that clear as your view. We can agree to disagree and move on. My views obviously are to expensive.

Agreed.

[scorecard]

On 4/9/2023 at 9:55 PM, JayClay said:

Indeed. Humans are far more difficult to corrupt than machines....

Sure but I'm gessing someone, where needed, will claim the hand count and the count using the new 'equipment' was corrupted. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

24 minutes ago, Pink Mist said:

Return to the beginning, as in the way we vote, nothing radical like what the MAGA republicans want, as that's not what I meant.

I would like to see a return to verifiable voting, so if an event like the Fulton county water leak results in counting to stop and observers sent home and then cctv shows boxes of ballots pulled out from under the table and rammed through the tabulators it will be super easy to prove it's all above board and legitimate by doing a forensic recount making sure signatures matches, the vote was cast be a registered voter, everything as the voter intended etc. A simple audit would have lessened the insecurity over the win.

 

 I do not think either side will be happy, but it has been amusing after the left spent 4 years calling Trump illegitimate(falsely and without evidence) and claiming he cheated by colluding with Putin(without any evidence) to see them shocked that Republicans cast doubts on their win. 

 

BTW election denier Nancy Pelosi is STILL claiming Trump was illegitimate as of last week and spreading conspiracy theories. No wonder the right raise eyebrows when the left accuse only the right of being election deniers - and then rush to censor the predictable fact checks and reality checks. A proper mess.

 

“It was her clarity and position to [Mr Putin] that made him turn around and ensure in an illegal way come out against her in her campaign,” Ms Pelosi said.

“Interference in our democracy by Vladimir Putin, because Hillary Clinton was the person he feared most in terms of his lack of democracy in Russia.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/putin-fearing-hillary-clinton-nancy-pelosi-b2313628.html

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4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I would like to see a return to verifiable voting, so if an event like the Fulton county water leak results in counting to stop and observers sent home and then cctv shows boxes of ballots pulled out from under the table and rammed through the tabulators it will be super easy to prove it's all above board and legitimate by doing a forensic recount making sure signatures matches, the vote was cast be a registered voter, everything as the voter intended etc. A simple audit would have lessened the insecurity over the win.

Thanks for the falsehood. Par for the course from you.

 

State Farm Arena also published a statement saying, "Within 2 hours, repairs were complete. No ballots were damaged, nor was any equipment affected. There was a brief delay in tabulating absentee ballots while the repairs were being conducted...as planned, Fulton County will continue to tabulate the remainder of absentee ballots over the next two days."

The affidavit also states, in part, that "observers and media were not asked to leave. They simply left on their own when they saw one group of workers, whose job was only to open envelopes and who had completed that task, also leave," the affidavit said.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-fabricated-water-main-break-affect-vote-counting-georgia-trump-says-1558876

[banglay]

Why OH! Why is any one slightly right of Karl Marx automatically branded "Far right or racist " by the "Lame stream media and gutter press" ???. is no one allowed anymore  to think outside of the woke propagandism  agenda peddled and funded by the world globalist elites  ???

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11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 I do not think either side will be happy, but it has been amusing after the left spent 4 years calling Trump illegitimate(falsely and without evidence) and claiming he cheated by colluding with Putin(without any evidence) to see them shocked that Republicans cast doubts on their win. 

 

BTW election denier Nancy Pelosi is STILL claiming Trump was illegitimate as of last week and spreading conspiracy theories. No wonder the right raise eyebrows when the left accuse only the right of being election deniers - and then rush to censor the predictable fact checks and reality checks. A proper mess.

 

“It was her clarity and position to [Mr Putin] that made him turn around and ensure in an illegal way come out against her in her campaign,” Ms Pelosi said.

“Interference in our democracy by Vladimir Putin, because Hillary Clinton was the person he feared most in terms of his lack of democracy in Russia.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/putin-fearing-hillary-clinton-nancy-pelosi-b2313628.html

Still repeating the same nonsense as before. Virtually no one on the Democratic side is claiming that the ballot count was fraudulent. Unlike the majority of Republican legislators in the House who voted against certifying the election. 6 Republican senators too, and it would have been 10 but 4 reversed themselves after the invasion of the Capitol.

The "illegitimacy" invoked by Pelosi in question refers to Russian interference in the election campaign via hacking and using troll farms to create fake news. Not questioning the ballot tally. And not claiming that Trump really lost to Clinton.

[spidermike007]

On 4/9/2023 at 9:51 PM, BangkokReady said:

Has it been proven to be false?

Yes. Completely and utterly false. 

 

USA Today provided the conventional assessment of those challenges: “Out of the 62 lawsuits filed challenging the presidential election, 61 have failed,” and “decisions have came [sic] from both Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges.” (In fact, most of the judges were elected state judges.)

One victory out of 62 cases is about a 1.5% win rate. Looked at differently, as I do in this post, Trump performed slightly better. This post examines all judicial decisions in the cases, not just the cases’ ultimate outcomes. A case might produce an initial decision in a trial court, another set of votes on appeal to a multi-judge intermediate appellate court, and a final set of votes on appeal to the jurisdiction’s multi-judge supreme court—one case, but perhaps over 10 separate judicial votes. By that measure, 14% of judges’ individual decisions or votes—18% in state cases only—were favorable to Trump.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, banglay said:

Why OH! Why is any one slightly right of Karl Marx automatically branded "Far right or racist " by the "Lame stream media and gutter press" ???. is no one allowed anymore  to think outside of the woke propagandism  agenda peddled and funded by the world globalist elites  ???

Odd line of argument given your resort to the conspiracy theory of a  ‘woke propagandism agenda peddled and funded by the wold globalist elites’.

 

 

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1 hour ago, banglay said:

Why OH! Why is any one slightly right of Karl Marx automatically branded "Far right or racist " by the "Lame stream media and gutter press" ???. is no one allowed anymore  to think outside of the woke propagandism  agenda peddled and funded by the world globalist elites  ???

Can you name some of these people who are slightly to the right of Karl Marx who are being branded as such by the main Street Media and gutter press?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim that you've got nothing.

[FritsSikkink]

On 4/9/2023 at 9:51 PM, BangkokReady said:

Has it been proven to be false?

You have to prove that something is wrong, not the other way around.

Do you have to prove you are innocent? 

[pomchop]

On 4/9/2023 at 4:53 AM, ozimoron said:

over and over and over again in innumerable court cases where no evidence was ever provided.

Only 60 + court cases and recount after recount and investigation after investigation mostly done by republicans or hand picked trump lapdogs...and yet over two years later no credible proof of any significant voter fraud.  And yet donnie and his delusionals cling to the same old tired big lie theory that somebody stole the election from little donnie.

 

Alleging an election is being stolen from him is a routine Trump tactic, despite no evidence to back up his assertions. When competing for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, Trump claimed his loss in the Iowa caucuses was due to fraud. When he won the White House that November but lost the popular vote, Trump claimed the only reason for falling short in the latter category was because undocumented immigrants voted. A task force he formed to find voter fraud disbanded without finding any evidence to back up his claim.

In 2020, Trump began arguing the election would be fraudulent months before voting started. He attacked efforts to loosen restrictions on mail voting during the coronavirus pandemic, and expanded those allegations after losing the election to claim he'd actually won it. Those lies led to the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol.

Federal and state election officials and Trump’s own attorney general have said there is no credible evidence the 2020 election was tainted. The former president’s allegations of fraud were also roundly rejected by courts, including by judges Trump appointed.