Breaking: Trump to cut Ireland trip short and return to New York to ‘confront’ E Jean Carroll

[jerrymahoney]

44 minutes ago, Tug said:

He truly just forgot about it because he’s a star and has assaulted so many plus how  could we mere mortals judge him he’s special 

And on the notion of 'forgetting':

 

In her original complaint it states (at 9.) Ms. Carroll is a journalist.

Witness Lisa Birnbach was a journalist

Witness Carol Martin was a TV journalist.

 

And yet, at the time of the alleged offense, not one of the 3 journalists made contemporaneous written notes of the exact date of the alleged incident or when Ms. Carroll told the 2 witnesses about the incident.

 

All 3 can remember minutia of the incident or the phone calls or other conversations -- just not the the dates involved.

The complaint itself as per the exact time of the event only states: 

18. One evening between the fall of 1995 and the spring of 1996 ... 

 

Reminds of "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away ..."

 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[jerrymahoney]

Addendum to the above from Tacopina's opening statement:

 

Carroll “did not produce any objective evidence to back up her claim because it didn’t happen,” the attorney said. Carroll, a columnist known to keep a diary, did not document the account in her personal diary, Tacopina added.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/25/politics/carroll-trump-trial-day-one/index.html

[Chomper Higgot]

No surprises here.

 

Trump turns down his last chance to testify.

 

The judge had wisely offered an extension to Trump to confirm his intent to testify, that extension expired last night.

 

Good luck taking the argument you weren’t allowed to testify to appeal Donny.

 

It will of course play well to his dwindling base, but they aren’t going to decide the next election.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-40f9bf3da2474c28dc2bc869d68fdb82#

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[jerrymahoney]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Good luck taking the argument you weren’t allowed to testify to appeal Donny.

... the jury will be asked to decide: Which side is supported by a “preponderance of the evidence”?

 

This is a lower burden of proof compared with a criminal case, which demands that jurors find a defendant guilty only if his guilt is proved “beyond a reasonable doubt.” But there has been no physical evidence presented in the case. Carroll has said she cannot remember the exact date of the alleged assault, which means that Trump can neither provide an alibi nor have his whereabouts called into question.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/e-jean-carroll-trial-jury-trump-lawyer-rape-truth-lies.html 05MAY2023

[Tug]

Does anyone know if the New York City trust fund man baby has returned yet?apperantly he missed the window to personally respond to the rape accusations wonder why……….oh and when can we expect a judgement 

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, Tug said:

Does anyone know if the New York City trust fund man baby has returned 

Call him by his name , do stop being so immature .

Its not clever or funny .

Grow up 

 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Call him by his name , do stop being so immature .

Its not clever or funny .

Grow up 

 

Name calling is immature. Totally agree.

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Call him by his name , do stop being so immature .

Its not clever or funny .

Grow up 

 

Ok ex president twice impeached criminally indicted accused rapist donald John trump feel better?has he returned yet?

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ok ex president twice impeached criminally indicted accused rapist donald John trump feel better?has he returned yet?

You are behaving like Child 

[Tug]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You are behaving like Child 

Ahhh nope he is what he is

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Name calling is immature. Totally agree.

Me, too.

[candide]

The sweet music if closing arguments! ????

 

"According to Kaplan, Trump and his lawyers want the jury to believe Carroll and the other witnesses in her case are a part of a huge “hoax” to take down the former president. “The big lie,” Kaplan called it.

“There is only one person here who is lying and that person is Donald Trump,” Kaplan said.

In order to side with Trump’s defense, “You’d need to conclude that Donald Trump, the nonstop liar, is the only person in this room telling the truth.”

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/08/politics/trump-carroll-closing-arguments/index.html

 

[bendejo]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Name calling is immature. Totally agree.

'She's mentally sick!': Transcript shows Trump lobbed insults at E. Jean Carroll while under oath

When someone goes off like in the full view of the world they break the bonds of civility -- anything goes.

 

'Nobody talks like that!' Attorney stunned how Trump incriminated himself in Carroll deposition

 

Let the twice impeached, criminally indicted failure of an ex-president who lost the popular vote each time he ran rave on.  Maybe he'll go back to being a department store masher to get his mind off that cement fortress he may be living in next year.

 

 

[pomchop]

11 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

... the jury will be asked to decide: Which side is supported by a “preponderance of the evidence”?

 

This is a lower burden of proof compared with a criminal case, which demands that jurors find a defendant guilty only if his guilt is proved “beyond a reasonable doubt.” But there has been no physical evidence presented in the case. Carroll has said she cannot remember the exact date of the alleged assault, which means that Trump can neither provide an alibi nor have his whereabouts called into question.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/e-jean-carroll-trial-jury-trump-lawyer-rape-truth-lies.html 05MAY2023

she presented a dress with someones dna on it and they requested trump provide a sample which if it never happened why would he not comply and it would have cleared him completely and lawsuit dropped...but trump refused to provide a sample...gee wonder if little donnie maybe did remember blowing a load in a dressing room long ago.....only guilty people take the fifth and only guilty people fear a dna test.....

[jerrymahoney]

23 minutes ago, pomchop said:

gee wonder if little donnie maybe did remember blowing a load in a dressing room long ago.....only guilty people take the fifth and only guilty people fear a dna test.....

The DNA sample on the dress was not a sperm sample.

 

The 5th amendment against self-incrimination is for criminal offenses.

[pomchop]

17 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The DNA sample on the dress was not a sperm sample.

 

The 5th amendment against self-incrimination is for criminal offenses.

dna is dna...  could come from sperm could come from saliva or whatever but if he never was in contact with the woman that what's the problem?   simple sample no match game over.

 

.trump is the one that said over and over only guilty people plead the fifth...no not a criminal case but presenting NO defense is pretty darn close to pleading the fifth.......his filmed deposition was a disaster (not my type but yes that is my wife?)  and i would guess his attorney begged him not to show up and dig the hole even deeper in person in front of a jury....get out the checkbook donnie and be glad that it is only a civil trial....

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, pomchop said:

dna is dna...  could come from sperm could come from saliva or whatever but if he never was in contact with the woman that what's the problem?   simple sample no match game over.

 

.trump is the one that said over and over only guilty people plead the fifth...no not a criminal case but presenting NO defense is pretty darn close to pleading the fifth.......his filmed deposition was a disaster (not my type but yes that is my wife?)  and i would guess his attorney begged him not to show up and dig the hole even deeper in person in front of a jury....get out the checkbook donnie and be glad that it is only a civil trial....

So if you were on the jury it would be all over. 

[onthedarkside]

A number of bickering off topic posts have been removed. The topic of this thread is:

 

Breaking: Trump to cut Ireland trip short and return to New York to ‘confront’ E Jean Carroll

 

 

[lexxy]

My blood boils every time I hear his name triggering this rage I cannot control and im not even american!!

[jerrymahoney]

Per Judge Kaplan's ruling on DNA:

 

(Judge) Kaplan also questioned how worthwhile the evidence would be, noting there is no evidence of any sperm cells on the dress. So even if there were a match, "it would not prove or disprove Ms. Carroll's rape allegation," he said. And if there were no match, it "would not disprove Ms. Carroll's accusation."

 

"The alleged rape could have occurred without a sufficient quantity or quality of Mr. Trump's DNA to have remained on the dress since the mid-1990s," (Judge Kaplan) noted.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-dna-will-not-used-civil-trial-writer-accused-rape-judge-rules-rcna70807

[Bkk Brian]

All down to the jury now. Quite a good read on some of the questions they'll be asking themselves:

 

The Trump rape trial is headed to the jury. Here are the questions jurors will weigh.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/08/trump-rape-trial-closing-arguments-00095888

[jerrymahoney]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

All down to the jury now. Quite a good read on some of the questions they'll be asking themselves:

 

The Trump rape trial is headed to the jury. Here are the questions jurors will weigh.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/08/trump-rape-trial-closing-arguments-00095888

From the above Politico.com link:

Another member of Carroll’s defense team, Mike Ferrara, argued that some of the holes in Carroll’s account, primarily the fact that she can’t recall the precise date on which the alleged rape occurred, actually bolster her credibility. If she were manufacturing the story, Ferrara said, she would have named a date to avoid criticism over her failure to do so.

 

*********

If Carroll were making it up, and gave a date say April 10, 1996, Trump may have records that on April 10, 1996 he was opening a new hotel in Rio de Janeiro and here he is in the local newspaper. So the psycho-excuses as to why Ms. Carroll "can't pin down the date" are consistent with making it up.

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Jingthing]

Grab him by the p trump has shown a pattern. This alleged rape is the tip of the iceberg. The season of his reckoning has finally arrived.

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Some truly brilliant testimony from Trump in his deposition. Which the jury saw.

When asked to defend his comments about attacking women he said

"Historically, that's true with stars," he said in a newly released video when asked about the 2005 tape....

Kaplan then asked Trump whether he considered himself to be a star. Trump replied, "I think you can say that, yeah."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/watch-trump-defend-lewd-access-203036904.html

[Hanaguma]

It is going to be hard to rule on the rape charge. Given there were no witnesses, no date for the offense, no medical records. How was Trump to defend himself with any kind of alibi when the date of the crime can't be determined? 

 

He certainly didnt do himself any favors in his deposition. Just his ego talking as usual. But however much you despise him, getting a judgement will be hard.  

[Tug]

Guilty! Twice impeached 34 feloneys convicted of sexual assault but hey there’s more! We still have the docs case attempt coup attempt at voter’s rigging the chickens are coming home to roost!!a good day for America!

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27 minutes ago, Tug said:

Guilty! Twice impeached 34 feloneys convicted of sexual assault but hey there’s more! We still have the docs case attempt coup attempt at voter’s rigging the chickens are coming home to roost!!a good day for America!

Definitely not a good day for Trump but he wasn't convicted of anything. This was a civil trial.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Definitely not a good day for Trump but he wasn't convicted of anything. This was a civil trial.

How about -- judged to be a rapist by a jury in a civil trial. Do Americans really want a man judged to be a rapist as president?

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15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

How about -- judged to be a rapist by a jury in a civil trial. Do Americans really want a man judged to be a rapist as president?

I hate to look like I'm defending but they didn't find that he committed rape. Sexual abuse and defamation, but not rape.

[ozimoron]

I'm tempted to use the winning joke again. The gift that keeps on giving.