Good afternoon,

 

So there’s actually Thai people believing a Military State is better leadership !?? 
Doesn’t the majority of Thai People want MFP Party  ?? The recent elections say so !! 
That seems the furthest away from a Democracy in Thailand ???????? I’ll let your mind do the thinking on what I would call it , The last 3 letters are hip  

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by Robert Tyrrell

18 minutes ago, h90 said:

You don't need a democratic elected senate because than it is not different than the parliament. You can save the costs. You can select them somehow different...like every former PM/Minister/Head of Supreme court gets a seat...so you have elderly wise people. Or better you drop it complete. Military appointed is just not OK

No. In a democracy, the senate would consist of an equal number of representatives for each state, Kanton, Bundesland, province - what ever it is called in a country. In the parliament, the majority of the people must be found for decisions (and provinces with more people have more members there), and in the senate, the majority of the provinces must be found. This ensures that smaller provinces have an equal say to large provinces. In democratic systems (i.e. in Switzerland), this system works.

No earthly reason why it should rest with the senate. If Prayut and Prawit have acknowledged defeat, then surely they could -and should - along with their group members do the gentlemanly thing and vote for PITA as Prime Minister. No need then for either the senate or Anutin and his weed mates to have a say

The Thais spoke - if there's no coalition - it will be messy for sure.

1 hour ago, BenStark said:

I don't remember, but someone does.

 

https://www.fpps.or.th/news.php?detail=n1567399255.news

    Prayut’s 500 votes were beyond the 376 minimum requirements needed as stipulated in the constitution. All 250 senators voted to support him.

The sadistic irony is that NONE of the appointed Senators by the NCPO (aka junta) were to be affiliated with any political party. Apparently the RTM is not officially considered a political party.

Maybe that might be tesred in the Constitution Court as it was the military under NCPO (junta) Chief Prayut who assumed the robes of government from 2014-2018 as PM, a position that is clearly political.

Military appointed senators bowing to the will of the people would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Not in the slightest, and that marks the beginning of MFP's struggles to form a government. The next month will be interesting, to say the least.

Hopefully it will be mostly peaceful but I have my doubts....serious, serious doubts.

If I was the MFp and pt I would simply call their bluff.  Stay the course. That is what the people want the military just want to get there camel nose under the tent.  Anutin especially is not the person you want to deal with nor do you want the military dictating what you should and shouldn't do.

 

They want

To keep the gravy train

Shackle people with lese majeste

Keep the country the way

Time for the people to take to the streets again and that worries me.

8 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said:

No earthly reason why it should rest with the senate. If Prayut and Prawit have acknowledged defeat, then surely they could -and should - along with their group members do the gentlemanly thing and vote for PITA as Prime Minister. No need then for either the senate or Anutin and his weed mates to have a say

Expect the Senate to nominate and vote for anutin then stay away from mbk and siam paragon.  This country will explode the military will come in and take over again 

25 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

An interesting point!

Do we know who will select the "new" senators?

MFP and coalition 

There is a simple solution.  A person has to stand up and tell the country that he is happy and remind people that the Thai voters have spoken 

6 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Expect the Senate to nominate and vote for anutin then stay away from mbk and siam paragon.  This country will explode the military will come in and take over again 

Anutin can only with a coalition....which means PTP which means the red shirts. So nothing will explode. But it will look very bad

Why doesn't this surprise me?

 

$$$$$

PT now hold a lot of power. What will they do. If they form a coalition with MFP and with the other 4 parties then any govt put in by the military will be in minorirty in the House of Reps. A minority govt. cannot survive. If they form a coalition with minor military parties they will lose their voter base as the people who voted for PT were also voting for change. IMO the military are looking for trouble so they can move in with another coup. 

BJT would give them enough seats I think.

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by dinsdale

This refusal was predicted in Sept. 8, 2022

"Thai Parliament Rejects Opposition Bid to Reject Senate's Power"

It required a third of the Senate to vote " in favor of reducing their own power....Used by the military as a means of preventing the people from making a wrong decision."

Ref. thediplomat.com

The senatorial position reinforces Thai people are Not Citizens of Thailand as an Electorate in control of their government but rather Subjects ruled by those who have extra-constitutionality as the 'Good People.' From that perspective, in reality Thailand is no more a democracy than is Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar. Foreign embassies in Thailand who represent 'recognized democracies' should protest and take diplomatic reprocussions against Thailand. But of course they won't because they want to preserve what they believe is their political influence in Thailand. What I call "Patty Cake-Patty Cake Diplomacy."

 

I see another Myanmar coming perhaps. Depends on how much the people want the change and how much the army will protect the dictatorship.

 

Tough time are coming either way. Pseudo democracy, where you vote but the results are ignored is not democracy, just a dictatorship creating the illusion of democracy to keep the peoples will suppressed.

 

Get an emergency bag packed, check the flights outta here and let's all hope it doesn't come to that.

The MFP could do a deal with Anutin and his party, allowing them to continue with their marijuana journey uninterrupted, in return for their votes for PITA.

1 hour ago, BenStark said:

I don't remember, but someone does.

 

https://www.fpps.or.th/news.php?detail=n1567399255.news

    Prayut’s 500 votes were beyond the 376 minimum requirements needed as stipulated in the constitution. All 250 senators voted to support him.

Thanks for the link. I guess I remember another senate vote where some voted against him (just for show of course).

The senators surely have friends and families, and unlikely they all think alike and could use their influence......................unless of course they all live in free military housing and have been brainwashed!

Of course.

 

Look who's paying them. Look who put them there. It's those guys who overthrew the government in the first place.

 

It's like the ghost in the closet. 

 

Totally retarded situation. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by MrJ2U

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

same here thus 2 of us, didn't imagined them have the face to do what everybody is expecting them to do  555

The glory of the military must come first - that's how they see it. 

 

Would be interesting to see an interview with prayuth on this with several respected journalists all demanding that he give answers which respect the people of Thailand.

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by scorecard

They say keep friends close but enemies even closer. Invite Prayuth to join coalition and get that senator approvals, then appoint him Minister for Military Procurement Affairs or something like that. That way you take away the power of criticism (he can't complain about government as he's part of it), while at the same time keeping him in control by giving him a post with basically no power.

 

Replace Prayuth with any other name that would achieve the same. Prawit. Anutin. Whoever.

1 hour ago, BenStark said:

I don't remember, but someone does.

 

https://www.fpps.or.th/news.php?detail=n1567399255.news

    Prayut’s 500 votes were beyond the 376 minimum requirements needed as stipulated in the constitution. All 250 senators voted to support him.

And that was good as Prayut got most of the votes in that election....Now someone else got most votes...

The opposition will control the house and that is it.  PM and Senate will be the old guard.

 

Lots of people here let the euphoria of the election results make them forget the reality of the situation.

 

Looks like Anutin will be the next PM.

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

I think if anyone screws anybody, it will be the other way round.

According to Wikipedia, it was a group of Senators who conspired to murder Julius Caesar on March 15th 44 BC.

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Military-backed senators refuse to back MFP form a government

Interesting decision ahead for Bumjaithai.

 

Do they side with the pro-democracy parties with their 70 seats being enough to get Pita over the threshold without a single Senators support; or do they side with the military and deny Pita and then have to face the voters at the next election as an outed pro-military party and undoubtedly lose seats?

 

Abhisit faced a similar choice back in 2008, he turned his back on democracy, chose the military and in doing so destroyed his career, destroyed his party and went a long way towards destroying the country.

 

What will Anutin do?

 

 

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by MrMojoRisin

39 minutes ago, h90 said:

And that was good as Prayut got most of the votes in that election....Now someone else got most votes...

 

No he didn't

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-idUSKCN1T60AM

 

In March, Pheu Thai won the most seats in the 500-seat elected House of Representatives. Prayuth’s Palang Pracharat party came second and Thanathorn’s Future Forward Party third.

 

Prayuth was independent, not even on the ballot of the party that received the SECOND most votes.

1 hour ago, h90 said:

Anutin can only with a coalition....which means PTP which means the red shirts. So nothing will explode. But it will look very bad

There's no way thaksin will put his future in anutin hands.

 

There is nothing to stop Anutin becoming pm in a minority government.  It would mean a new election with the possibility of a defunct PT and MFp

 

Remember the Senate cares about power money and lese majeste which provides them an others a cover.

This was always going to happen they would rather see bloodshed on the streets of Bangkok than let MF take the task of governing Thailand . A very sad day for democracy if this is allowed to happen