Thai restaurant in California forced to close amid racist dog meat rumours

[JonnyF]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pot kettle black

How about addressing the point instead of trotting out some tired old phrase to deflect?

 

Oh that's right, you can't ????.

 

I guess it's racist to say the French eat snails as well. Racism! Racism EVERYWHERE!!!!! The horror!!!

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, proton said:

Different alright as in pests, this humanisation of dogs can be seen all over the internet. People referring to them as babies/ fur babies/angels and family etc, totally deluded dog worshipers, some actually having sex with these filthy animals. Dogs are no different from any other mammals and all the fuss about people eating them as well as other animals is ridiculous.

I'm a dog lover (I have 7) but I totally agree with you. It's no different. I wouldn't eat my own and would personally rather eat other meats but if I was starving on a desert island full of dogs you better believe they'd be sleeping with one eye open.

 

Saying that Thais eat dogs is "racist and ignorant" is simply a stupid comment. Because the fact is, some of them do. Such a comment only shows that the individual has contempt for the practice and are denying that some Thais partake in such practice. Which ironically, is pretty ignorant. 

[JayClay]

27 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Beer Drinkers are a race?

No. Neither are illiterates.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, JayClay said:

No. Neither are illiterates.

So pray tell, oh one of breathtaking literacy and spectacularly witty comebacks, why would it be racist to call someone a "****ing beer drinker"? ????.

 

[Woof999]

7 hours ago, hotchilli said:

America is ripping itself apart with the racist card.. 

Sticking up for yourself against being told to f-off back to your own country isn't playing the race card.

 

They were being labelled as dog eaters based on a stereotype. You come from Thailand so you MUST eat dogs because some people from Thailand eat dogs is playground logic. One could argue either way as to whether those words are racist, but given the context in this story, I'd say the intent sure did cross that line.

 

If the article is accurate, the restaurant owners are victims of idiots and a decent portion of the hate is based on their nationality / race. Racism exists everywhere. No problem calling it out for what it is when it raises its ugly head.

 

The "race card" is played when someone claims that they are being targeted because of their race when that race has nothing to do with it. This story wouldn't appear to fit that definition.

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

How about addressing the point instead of trotting out some tired old phrase to deflect?

 

Oh that's right, you can't ????.

 

I guess it's racist to say the French eat snails as well. Racism! Racism EVERYWHERE!!!!! The horror!!!

It isn't.

The incident in California is.

I'm sorry you can't distinguish between different situations.

[JayClay]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So pray tell, oh one of breathtaking literacy and spectacularly witty comebacks, why would it be racist to call someone a "****ing beer drinker"? ????.

 

If you want English comprehension lessons then you'll have to pay. I don't do freebies.

[JonnyF]

Just now, JayClay said:

If you want English comprehension lessons then you'll have to pay. I don't do freebies.

My comprehension is fine thanks. Allow me to demonstrate my superb interpretation skills as well.

 

What your post above REALLY means is "Ummmm, of course it's not racist to call someone a beer drinker, what a stupid thing to say. I can't possibly back that statement up so I better try to deflect and make a feeble attempt to appear intellectually superior with meaningless, flippant answers". ????

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It isn't.

The incident in California is.

I'm sorry you can't distinguish between different situations.

What if you say the French eat snails in California? Is that racist? 

[JayClay]

@JonnyF 

 

I am perfectly happy with what I wrote and I am perfectly happy that any sensible person reading what I wrote will be able to interpret it correctly.

 

If you believe that you have scored points with your interpretation, then I'm happy for you.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, JayClay said:

I am perfectly happy with what I wrote and I am perfectly happy that any sensible person reading what I wrote will be able to interpret it correctly.

So why not explain why it's racist to call someone a beer drinker?

 

I'm genuinely interested how people see racism in everything, even drinking beer. Enlighten me.

[Goat]

7 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

But , in reality , dog eating still does exist in south east asia .

Yeah Mukdahan and especially in Sakon Nakon.

 

Reminds me of a first date i had from Thaifriendly. Little stunning 43kg, skin like honey, long black silky hair.

Couldnt speak a word of English.

 

I asked her if she would like to try some western food. She shyly said she would.

So I took her to my favorite hot dog stand.

When we got there she looked a bit horrified and said

"Sorry Goat, in my village we dont eat that part of the dog"

[BritManToo]

38 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

They were being labelled as dog eaters based on a stereotype. You come from Thailand so you MUST eat dogs because some people from Thailand eat dogs is playground logic. One could argue either way as to whether those words are racist, but given the context in this story, I'd say the intent sure did cross that line.

I think they were confusing Thais and Vietnamese.

So not racist but ignorant!

[JonnyF]

36 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

They were being labelled as dog eaters based on a stereotype. You come from Thailand so you MUST eat dogs because some people from Thailand eat dogs is playground logic.

It's not logically sound to assume EVERY Thai eats dogs. But it's not racist. 

 

I've had plenty of Thai colleagues say to me  "Oh you're English, you must like to drink beer huh". That's a stereotype and in this case (like many stereotypes) there is a lot of truth in it. But even if there wasn't, it's not a racist comment. It's a stereotype based on my nationality. A bit like Scots being tight with money, Americans being loud and opinionated, Italians being hot headed, Germans being sticklers for timekeeping. Stereotypes, not racism.

[Woof999]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think they were confusing Thais and Vietnamese.

So not racist but ignorant!

They tried to be racist but were too dumb to do it properly ????

 

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's not logically sound to assume EVERY Thai eats dogs. But it's not racist. 

 

I've had plenty of Thai colleagues say to me  "Oh you're English, you must like to drink beer huh". That's a stereotype and in this case (like many stereotypes) there is a lot of truth in it. But even if there wasn't, it's not a racist comment. It's a stereotype based on my nationality. A bit like Scots being tight with money, Americans being loud and opinionated, Italians being hot headed, Germans being sticklers for timekeeping. Stereotypes, not racism.

I agree mostly with what you say, but there is a difference in what happened here to the English example you gave.

 

If someone said to me "oh you're English, you must like to drink beer" there is little chance (depending on the tone) that their intent is to insult me. They are just trying to make conversation, albeit based on a wrong (in my case) assumption from the old stereotype.

 

This story is much more than "oh you're Thai, so you must eat dogs". It is more like "we think someone is killing dogs for their meat and, as you're Thai, and Thais eat dogs, it must be you. So f-off back to where you come from you dog eating scum".

 

It's all about the overall context. The context in this case was to insult/slur and the nationality/race of the person was used to form the judgement of blame and as the basis of the comments. It's far from the most heinous case of racism that I've ever seen and I don't think the electric chair is called for just yet, but personally I do think it crosses the racism line. The ignorance of the accuser, IMHO, doesn't detract from the racial tone of their actions.

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

This story is much more than "oh you're Thai, so you must eat dogs". It is more like "we think someone is killing dogs for their meat and, as you're Thai, and Thais eat dogs, it must be you. So f-off back to where you come from you dog eating scum".

Whilst I agree with some of your post, I definitely disagree with the part quoted above.

 

The reason I say that is that the woman's comments were not even aimed at the Thais nor meant to insult them. They were intended to insult the owner of the PitBull for not taking care of the dog properly. 

 

 

So it was a long way from telling the Thais "F-off back to where you come from you dog eating scum" as you alluded. It was more akin to "if you can't be bothered to look after your dog properly why not give it up to the Thai restaurant for dog meat". Of course, it was a stereotype assuming that since they are Thai they must eat dog meat but it wasn't intended to insult the Thais, they were simply used as a stick to beat the PitBull owner with. 

 

A lazy stereotype? Arguably, although since some Thais do eat dogs you could argue that like many stereotypes there is some truth to it. Racist? No more racist than assuming an Englishman drinks lukewarm beer or a Frenchman eats frogs legs and snails. In other words, not racist at all.