JohnnyBangkok is so out of touch. It's China spreading its sphere of influence across SE Asia

as well as Africa. It's Russia who invaded Ukraine and is supplying planes, helicopters and

guns to the tatmadaw in Myanmar to butcher their own people with. 

7 hours ago, h90 said:

not yet premier and already the first damage done

No Damage, a step in the right direction both for Thailand and the normal Burmese population

7 hours ago, h90 said:

Thailand has a lot border trade with people on the other side...and these aren't the richest of the society.

The job of the government is to come along with the neighbors....not warmongering and being terrorists. No matter if the neighbor has a government they don't like.

Lao is communist dictatorship, Cambodia is not really democratic in Malaysia is the Sharia. Biggest trading partner is China a communist dictatorship, another big partner is USA, the worst warmonger and state terrorist on the planet. Should Thailand be hostile to all of them? Or rather be neutral and do business?

with u there

8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

I feel sad for all of the ethnic groups in Myanmar. This is turning into a humanitarian crisis.

With the greatest respect, not quite true. Since 1964 the Shan State Army has been fighting against (and still does) General Win's Junta Tatmadaw. The Burmese Junta now fear democratic support for the civilian Burmese NLD (National League for Democracy) Party formerly lead by Aung San Suu Kyi (now in prison), whose current members live in exile, now the National Unity Government, outside Burma. They are negotiating with "friendly" countries to re-establish democracy - sadly, a hard task, but one lives in hope. The NUG supports the Shan Army and other ethnic groups fighting against the Tatmadaw. Without Thailand, the only support comes from China which is plundering natural resources.

Of interest:

The Burnese Ambassador to tne UN is still a former NLD member and votes against his own country in defiance of the Junta - brave man!

 

 Kyaw Moe Tun was appointed ........ months before the military overthrew the elected civilian government.................. The military junta tried to fire him from his post, but he refused to leave, and so far, the United Nations General Assembly Credentials Committee has refused to recognize the military's appointee. He is also backed by Myanmar's National Unity Government (NUG), .........................

https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-s-un-ambassador-reportedly-renewed-for-another-year-despite-junta-s-opposition/6873801.html

Stock photo of Shan State Army:

 

 

 

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

I feel sad for all of the ethnic groups in Myanmar. This is turning into a humanitarian crisis.

Bit late with that comment aren’t you ? It’s been ( not turning into !) a humanitarian crisis for many years. Also, it’s a crisis for all Burmese , not only the ethnic groups.  Plain dictatorship and murder. 

7 hours ago, h90 said:

Thailand has a lot border trade with people on the other side...and these aren't the richest of the society.

The job of the government is to come along with the neighbors....not warmongering and being terrorists. No matter if the neighbor has a government they don't like.

Lao is communist dictatorship, Cambodia is not really democratic in Malaysia is the Sharia. Biggest trading partner is China a communist dictatorship, another big partner is USA, the worst warmonger and state terrorist on the planet. Should Thailand be hostile to all of them? Or rather be neutral and do business?

I'm all for pragmatism normally but it's hard to have pragmatic dealings with a government who is murdering farmers daily with its military on your border. Myanmars military government makes the Thai military look positively democratic and holy by comparison.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

The second most powerful man in the Myanmar regime, General Soe Win, warned his troops that Thailand’s likely new government was ‘pro West’ and would help the ‘terrorists’ operating in his country, according to The Irrawaddy newspaper

Why do these little military boys that try to play leader always get it sooo wrong? You are the terrorist, bro, and that Thailand is erring toward real democracy is more a testament of being normal and right than getting in bed with the West. Please grow up (or hang yourself) and leave the good people of 'Burma' in peace! With a bit of work, your country could then move on, one day to be followed by all the questionable governments in SEA.

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I'm all for pragmatism normally but it's hard to have pragmatic dealings with a government who is murdering farmers daily with its military on your border. Myanmars military government makes the Thai military look positively democratic and holy by comparison.

it is mostly people trading, farmers, etc.....border trade. And if it is still the case, in the past Thailand bought gas from Myanmar. Should the Thais suffer higher electric costs?

6 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

What on earth are you talking about ? Who or what is not yet premier, and premier what; premier grade gasoline, premier quality fruit ?

Premier: as a noun refers to the highest ranking government official of some countries. It has nothing to do with gasoline or fruit. It appears you are confusing premier and premium.

6 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Premier, is the accepted abbreviation for President

No it is not. Pres is the accepted abbreviation for the word president. Pres is usually used when referring to those persons that serve in lower governing bodies such as school boards, universities, etc. When referring to the President of the United States, POTUS is used.

7 hours ago, h90 said:

Thailand has a lot border trade with people on the other side...and these aren't the richest of the society.

The job of the government is to come along with the neighbors....not warmongering and being terrorists. No matter if the neighbor has a government they don't like.

Lao is communist dictatorship, Cambodia is not really democratic in Malaysia is the Sharia. Biggest trading partner is China a communist dictatorship, another big partner is USA, the worst warmonger and state terrorist on the planet. Should Thailand be hostile to all of them? Or rather be neutral and do business?

The junta lapdog exposes his backward oppressive justifications again!!!

9 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

I doubt that the regimes in Laos and Cambodia are feeling very happy about an outbreak of the hated Democracy, in their backyards, either.

 

The next time someone asks who Thailand needs to defend itself against (and why the new government is looking to buy new armaments).......you know the answer.

 

 

Seems unlikely that Thailand are gonna need those Submarines to protect themselves from Myanmar, Laos or Cambodia

Thought I'd lost 20 years of my life saying 2001 not 2021

8 hours ago, h90 said:

Should Thailand be hostile to all of them? Or rather be neutral and do business?

I fully support the views of the PM Elect - as I suspect do most rational people.  You are suggesting that Thailand should ignore what's going on and trade with a government that is murdering its people?  That is the same as saying that money is more important than lives.

 

All that the people of Burma want is to govern their own lives through a democratic process. That should be the right of every person on the planet. The current Thai government has done nothing to help its neighbours and failed to condemn the military coup - for obvious reasons.  Quite frankly, for a country that calls itself a democracy and a government that took power under the very questionable aims of protecting that democracy to have done absolutely nothing to help the Burmese people is disgraceful.

 

Thailand has a form of democracy and (fingers crossed) if Pita is allowed to take his rightful place, it will move towards a true democracy. I would hope that the country then puts pressure on the murderers of Burma to go.  I certainly hope that all trade with the military government is stopped.  As one of the most developed countries in the region, Thailand should be taking a lead in this matter and helping the Burmese people, not sitting on the fence and doing business with the illegal military government.

Edited May 26, 20233 yr by KhaoYai

14 minutes ago, h90 said:

it is mostly people trading, farmers, etc.....border trade. And if it is still the case, in the past Thailand bought gas from Myanmar. Should the Thais suffer higher electric costs?

Not while I am using it. I can't see why Thailand shouldn't by gas from them......just don't be nice about it. Bankrupting Myanmar isn't going to help the people, ostracizing its military leaders might but that is a matter for ASEAN.

5 hours ago, h90 said:

Where did I say something about support? I speak about being neutral and don't being aggressive. Neither supporting them, nor being aggressive. Just trade to mutual benefits. Or do you want to punish the Thai traders?

Being neutral is the same as supporting them. The Burmese generals are murderous thugs and somebody needs to get more aggressive with them

 

5 hours ago, h90 said:

Where did I say something about support? I speak about being neutral and don't being aggressive. Neither supporting them, nor being aggressive. Just trade to mutual benefits. Or do you want to punish the Thai traders?

Being neutral is the same as supporting them. The new Thai government, like the governments of the free world, are not anti Burma - they are anti the murderous military thugs who are currently running it. Somebody needs to get aggressive with them as it seems that nobody is giving much help to the freedom fighters who have taken them on.

8 hours ago, h90 said:

Thailand has a lot border trade with people on the other side...and these aren't the richest of the society.

The job of the government is to come along with the neighbors....not warmongering and being terrorists. No matter if the neighbor has a government they don't like.

Lao is communist dictatorship, Cambodia is not really democratic in Malaysia is the Sharia. Biggest trading partner is China a communist dictatorship, another big partner is USA, the worst warmonger and state terrorist on the planet. Should Thailand be hostile to all of them? Or rather be neutral and do business?

Play Pontius Pilate do you mean? Or Sergeant Schultz? 'I know nothing'????

Bye then, & make sure the door dosent hit you on the way out. 

4 hours ago, Dmitry2222 said:

The problem is that such democracy causes wars everywhere in the world.

wrong. Wars are frequently initiated due to the actions of unstable dictators who flagrantly abuse human rights, leading to widespread unrest, international tensions, and ultimately armed conflicts

A post with misquoted content has been removed along with the replies. 

11 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

I feel sad for all of the ethnic groups in Myanmar. This is turning into a humanitarian crisis.

It's what can happen when the 'invaders', evil colonialists, pull out and leave the country to govern itself.

10 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The only terrorists operating in Burma, are the ones in uniform 

Even worse than the Thai ones

10 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

At least 60 years. 

And previous to that under the wretched thumb of a foreign power.

And no different to the wretched thumb of the American native Indian under the US, or the Aborigine under the Australian thumb or crimea under the Putin  thumb/Vietnamese under the French, Hong Kong under ......, bla-de bla-de-bla.

 

I could add at least another 6/7 examples. the subject is Myanmar and 60 years under murderous dictatorship.

 

Not your petty, sneering reference to the UK.

Which of the above do you come from, eh?

 

A post using profane language has been removed:

 

8. You will not post vulgarities, obscenities or profanities.

 

Additionally, an off-topic post has been removed, not once but now twice. Post it again and face a suspension.

15 hours ago, CANSIAM said:

Of course its alarming for Myanmar that Thailand's Democracy door is opening.........

What Democracy

Thailand should be the one rethinking its relationship with the Burmese thugs. They need Thailand a lot more than the other way round.  It's like White Rhodesia had to rethink its relationship with Mozambique after the Portuguese upped sticks and left the country to the Frelimo insurgents who were less friendly to the Ian Smith regime. China and India will still support the Burmese junta but losing an pro-dictatorship ally along its long Eastern border will be a huge blow. That is of course assuming that MFP gets to form a government.

It is only China's support that is keeping the evil Burmese  junta in power.

They have no interest in their peoples welfare in any way ,shape or form only power & money.

Human life is a commidity to be disposed of when it suits.

Anyone supporting them from offshore is not much better than an animal

15 hours ago, h90 said:

Cambodia is not really democratic in Malaysia is the Sharia.

Malaysia just had a very free and fair general election. 
 

Cambodia has elections but it is a sham democracy run by Hun Sen and his cronies with all opposition and dissent crushed. 

4 minutes ago, natway09 said:

It is only China's support that is keeping the evil Burmese  junta in power.

They have no interest in their peoples welfare in any way ,shape or form only power & money.

Human life is a commidity to be disposed of when it suits.

Anyone supporting them from offshore is not much better than an animal

Thailand’s support too.

 

PTTEP, the Thai national oil company exploration and production division, controls most of the oil and gas fields there and makes the Burmese junta billions. 

 

There are many Westerners in Thailand working on these projects for PTTEP and their subsidiaries without concern for the moral or ethical issues. 

15 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

What about the 83% of the electorate who had their victory nullified by the murderous military regime. The crisis re-started in 2021 with the killings countrywide. Its not just the ethnic groups?

The 2021 coup has brought the city folk, ethnic Burmans (Bamar), in solidarity with the Shan, Karen, Chin, Kachin, etc, who have been fighting the army for a long time, since even before the 1962 coup.

4 minutes ago, organicman said:

It's really sad to see the results of the Thailand election. I've left my Western country cause it has turn into Leftists dog<deleted>. Now I'm afraid it's going to happen to Thailand. This guy studied at WOKE USA universities.

 

George Soros was the cause of the coup in Myanmar (rigged election) which I don't blame the military for doing what is right like the USA should have done in 2020 (https://hereistheevidence.com/). But they should have run another democratic election in Myanmar. 

Well, now you don't like it in your home country or Thailand...so i guess you will be happy to go live in Myanmar as you like the sort of people that run that country.