Challenges facing Thai Women looking for a Western partner.

[Goat]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

AT least I don't use a Thai racial slur to discriminate against other white guys!

That is very woke of you.

Luckily for me thailand isnt woke.

[Goat]

2 hours ago, BusyB said:

You brag about playing the field, yet when a woman does that you brand her a 'slut' not worth serious consideration.

 

Why is that? Why does that not apply to you?

 

Are you a feminist?

 

Call me a slut if you want. It isnt the first time I have been called it. 

 

there is a huge difference but if you dont already know I am too lazy to type it out for you.

[Celsius]

5 hours ago, Goat said:

Try getting on Tinder.

I have never compensated a girl when breaking up with them. Why would I? I date girls with employment who can pay their own way.

 

I have to agree with most of your points. When i was between marriages here in Thailand (my 3rd one here) I met quite a few girls on Tinder who just wanted sex, maybe a serious relationship, but never asked me for 1 baht for the company. Some were generous and paid for food or movies, others I paid, one gave me keys to her condo for 3 months, etc. Most of them had education and employment. 

 

I pity the guys who after all this time in Thailand convinced themselves that you alway have to pay to be touched. My final Tinder date was my Chinese wife that will literally scream "yours is different" to the usual suspects with their Batman meme as she has MBA, works for a foreign company and literally lived with her parents until she met me. I will let the fools have fun with that one, but at least I am not a hypocrite and will fully admit that once you get married the sex with the same person gets boring (it goes both ways) and I do often long for freedom. However, what I get in return is worth it to me which is being treated with respect and not as ATM.

 

 

[Goat]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

as I entered this world with more advantage than 99.999% of all the humans who ever lived.

Which is the sad harsh reality for these women Walker.

Avrage salary Joe from the west can use this advantage to effectively "buy" a south east asian hooker into a life of sexual servitude.

If these girls had a choice they would not be marrying a creepy foreign sex tourist.

[save the frogs]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

2. Divorce rates in the west are 50%+, there is no marital stability in the west.

not sure about high-powered corporate Thai women, but if you marry a high-powered corporate Western woman, she'll boss you around all day. 

hookers are better than those for sure. 

[Goat]

6 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

I have to agree with most of your points. When i was between marriages here in Thailand (my 3rd one here) I met quite a few girls on Tinder who just wanted sex, maybe a serious relationship, but never asked me for 1 baht for the company. Some were generous and paid for food or movies, others I paid, one gave me keys to her condo for 3 months, etc. Most of them had education and employment. 

 

I pity the guys who after all this time in Thailand convinced themselves that you alway have to pay to be touched. My final Tinder date was my Chinese wife that will literally scream "yours is different" to the usual suspects with their Batman meme as she has MBA, works for a foreign company and literally lived with her parents until she met me. I will let the fools have fun with that one, but at least I am not a hypocrite and will fully admit that once you get married the sex with the same person gets boring (it goes both ways) and I do often long for freedom. However, what I get in return is worth it to me which is being treated with respect and not as ATM.

 

 

Thanks Celcius.

You obviously have the smarts about you.

Chinese is the one I havent cracked yet. I think they are right up there as the smartest and most beautiful feminine women in the world, probably only outdone by the Koreans of who i am a big fan.

[ArnieP]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

3 hours ago, Goat said:

Hard to get any gf when you're over 60 ...... you should try it!

5*

 

Unless you’ve got the moolah.

Edited May 31, 2023 by ArnieP

[ICU Kid]

31 minutes ago, Goat said:

East of Sukhumvit Road Pattaya. You find a lot of cheap expat housing there and many mostly often daytime bars there. Drinkers are more the hardcore sexpats versus the East side which is more tourist orientated and more hardened hookers with somewhat faded beauty who offer their services cheaper for the experienced punters who dont want to pay tourist prices. 

Pray tell G.o.a.t. (Geatest of All Time), what led a man with your obvious qualities (hansum, smooth, suave, sophisticated, debonair etc.) to visit the dark side of Pattaya?

 

 

[Gecko123]

Deeply skeptical about claims that there are droves upon droves of Thai women out there looking for relationships with older foreign men for other than pecuniary motives.

 

Dan about Thailand claims he is bombarded with Facebook messages from wholesome women with only the most innocent of motives for wanting to hook up with foreign men. But how seriously can we take this claim or the sincerity of these inquiries when the girls have to know that he is immersed in the bar scene? Are we to believe that these so-called good girls are so naive that they believe that the typical bar customer would make prime husband material?

 

Yes, in certain milieux there are enough free-lancers, ex-bar girls, off-duty bar girls, and girls looking to financially exploit a foreigner's naivety to create the illusion that there is an endless supply of Thai women desperate to get into the nearest ex-pat's pants, but I'm here to tell you that in huge swathes of Thailand, that's simply not the case.

 

The interest level in foreign men is actually quite low, and many Thai women enjoy a lot of competition for their affections. I have also noticed a growing trend of relationships between older Thai women and younger Thai men which is telling me that demographically there's a lot of competition for Thai women. 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Gecko123

[save the frogs]

16 minutes ago, Goat said:

Thanks Celcius.

You obviously have the smarts about you.

Chinese is the one I havent cracked yet. I think they are right up there as the smartest and most beautiful feminine women in the world, probably only outdone by the Koreans of who i am a big fan.

Chinese women aren't that hard to crack.

You just have to dress like this:

[proton]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'd like to know why Dan married a Russian and looks down on guys that married Thai sex workers? 

Shes got to have a dodgy past, probably worse than any Thai bar girl. 

Better to marry a Russian than a Thai prostitute, likely to be far better educated and intelligent with interests beyond som tam, family parasites, the lottery and lakorn! It baffles me what westerners hitching up with Thais actually have in common with them. At least Russians are more westernised, you could even talk about Russian literature with one, how many Thai bar girls could even name 3 Thai authors, painters or composers? 

[Goat]

1 minute ago, ICU Kid said:

Pray tell G.o.a.t. (Geatest of All Time), what led a man with your obvious qualities (hansum, smooth, suave, sophisticated, debonair etc.) to visit the dark side of Pattaya?

 

 

Lonely and looking for a good woman to settle down with and raise a family.

 

Business.

 

Met the OP there a couple of times desperatly trying to peddle some Pattaya People advertising and some dodgy real estate.

I dont blame him for it. He was a newbie and didnt know the background. Niels was a very persuasive convincing character.

Dan now appears to have had some mild success since then, or so keeps telling us on facebook, instagram, his blog, tiktok. popping up everywhere.

 

He looked a lot more natural then and wasnt wearing those stylish glasses.

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

name 3 Thai authors, painters or composers

Can you without using google etc?

[Goat]

12 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

But how seriously can we take this claim or the sincerity of these inquiries when the girls have to know that he is immersed in the bar scene?

i dont think they are fully aware. 

Most non bar girls dont know the extent of the debuchary.

99% of Thailand doesnt have a foreign bar scene.

 

Dan is right. I mix in the non hooker circles and their friends are always asking me too.

Smart bloke that Dan.

[proton]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

Can you without using google etc?

Yes, but the Russians ones are better, and a Russian gal could probably play chess as well

Edited May 31, 2023 by proton

[Goat]

1 minute ago, proton said:

Yes, but the Russians ones are better, and a Russian gal could probably play chess as well

Yeah but the thai hooker would beat her in Connect 4 everytime.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, proton said:

Yes, but the Russians ones are better

And the names of both the Russian and Thai's are?

(try without using google!)

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

Yes, but the Russians ones are better

At what?

[Woof999]

18 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Pray tell G.o.a.t. (Geatest of All Time), what led a man with your obvious qualities (hansum, smooth, suave, sophisticated, debonair etc.) to visit the dark side of Pattaya?

 

 

To pass judgement and further the views on the 70s male by the sounds of it.

[ICU Kid]

Just now, Woof999 said:

To pass judgement and further the views on the 70s male by the sounds of it.

Walter Mitty types everywhere.  It's a variation on the undercover SAS Special Forces.

That's the beauty of the internet, you can be whoever you want to be and most will be none the wiser 

[Hummin]

27 minutes ago, Goat said:

But these blokes put themselves up for it by marrying prostitutes. They are sitting ducks for the slyer bargirls.

Then they complain. 

Im talking about any woman, and please qoute my whole post. 

 

No one like to be taken advantage of or being used. However everything is possible even with a middle aged man or older and a very young lady. 

 

 You still manage your own reality in your world, even twisting my answer around again.

 

it is all avout your moral if you have any?

 

 

54 minutes ago, Goat said:

 

[Gecko123]

11 minutes ago, Goat said:

i dont think they are fully aware. 

Most non bar girls dont know the extent of the debuchary.

99% of Thailand doesnt have a foreign bar scene.

 

Dan is right. I mix in the non hooker circles and their friends are always asking me too.

Smart bloke that Dan.

It's a quick riches aspirational fantasy completely untethered from the day to day reality of inter-cultural relationships. Also, it's a whimsical conversational opener which more often than not sends a shiver down their spine if they so much as get a nibble of interest. Most of these inquiries can't be taken seriously, and if they are serious, the vast majority are motivated by financial opportunity. Also, completely disagree that Thais don't know what goes on in red-light districts. Thais talk. They know from a very early age, and people who have worked in Pattaya circulate back to the village all the time.

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Gecko123

[save the frogs]

6 hours ago, Goat said:

There is also the social stigma of it. Thais are not stupid, they can pick when a farang has married a hooker. The Thai guys will think you as a joke. And the women will treat you like the Village Idiot.

who cares what people think?

also, a lot of marriages are based primarily on the financial status of the male, so there is a hypocrisy in society. 

 

[Walker88]

29 minutes ago, Goat said:

Which is the sad harsh reality for these women Walker.

Avrage salary Joe from the west can use this advantage to effectively "buy" a south east asian hooker into a life of sexual servitude.

If these girls had a choice they would not be marrying a creepy foreign sex tourist.

But they might marry a man who treats them as an equal human being, worthy of basic respect and to be afforded dignity.

 

I spent many years using my own money to spot micro loans to people with ideas, ambition, a solid work ethic, but who had no access to capital. It might surprise you that even 'bargirls' often have ideas and good business sense, and merely need a chance to show what they can do. Some bargirls, perhaps through their work, have incredible people skills, which go a long way to making a start-up business successful. Most of the people I funded were not bargirls, but some were, and many came from families where an older sister or two worked the bars. To overlook a woman simply because of a job she does or once did is to miss opportunity. It takes effort and an open mind to help level a very unfair world playing field.

 

As for 'creepy sex tourist', I wonder how that is defined, since your comments suggest you have 'played the field' while in Thailand. What makes you NOT creepy?

[Moonlover]

6 hours ago, Goat said:

There is also the social stigma of it. Thais are not stupid, they can pick when a farang has married a hooker. The Thai guys will think you as a joke. And the women will treat you like the Village Idiot.

Is this something you've learned from experience by any chance?

[Muzzique]

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

But if the opportunity with a Thai swimmer comes up I will be more than keen to try.

I´ll try to hook you up

 

[save the frogs]

6 hours ago, Goat said:

I play the field. Since living here have had factory workers, managers, pharmacist, uni students, business owners, etc etc.

you're bragging about being a playboy while belittling bar girls.

but actually, most normal working girls don't want to be pumped and dumped.

they want steady relationships. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Goat said:

I think you comment is typical of people who do marry bargirls. They say they dont have a problem with it but are overly defensive and like to pretend that normal girls are the same as prostitutes.

A 50yo white man with no LTRs in his past giving out marriage advice.

You gotta laugh.

[BTB1977]

Many men marry bar girls because they are too lazy to pursue a normal educated thai. And don't have anything to offer a middle to upper class thai. They know they will get shot down.  They go after the easy lower class who just want to be lifted up out of poverty.  Save a hoe syndrome 

[Walker88]

19 minutes ago, proton said:

Better to marry a Russian than a Thai prostitute, likely to be far better educated and intelligent with interests beyond som tam, family parasites, the lottery and lakorn! It baffles me what westerners hitching up with Thais actually have in common with them. At least Russians are more westernised, you could even talk about Russian literature with one, how many Thai bar girls could even name 3 Thai authors, painters or composers? 

Funny you should mention that.

 

I recently met a 'bargirl' from Isaan. As is often the case, she once became pregnant, and the Thai baby daddy did a runner. She chose to bring the child to term. She has accounting qualifications, but her job did not earn her enough to take care of the child, the grandmother looking after the child, and fund the law education of a very clever sister. This woman's parents did a runner when my friend was about 3, leaving her and the sister with a granny. Yes, typical Isaan story. She had much to overcome just to get where she is now.

 

My friend is a skilled artist and has a great deal of knowledge re art, both Eastern and Western (self taught....isn't the internet wonderful !). She is skilled in Thai dance, which may not be the Bolshoi, but it is lovely and culturally significant. She is a fan of jazz, and has an unusual play list on her phone. She is beginning to study jazz piano. She can cook Japanese food, and knows the difference between shiso and mitsuba. She's 21. Maybe not a typical Isaan woman, but she's proof they are not all cut from the same cloth.

 

Can she do algebraic topology or discuss the Chern-Simons Form? No. Does she know what the War of Jenkins Ear was all about? No. What she is, however, is a heck of a lot brighter and far more curious than the average expat I meet here, albeit lacking a rigorous education that probably flew right over the typical expat's head. The intellect and the curiosity are there, so for the right guy, she could make a wife every bit as good as any common Russian woman raised in the Putin dictatorship. Do you think Dan and his Russian wife discuss the phrasing of a Borodin symphony over dinner? I'm guessing 'no'.

 

When one wonders what a Western expat would have in common with an Isaan bargirl, I might ask what any Westerner has in common with any Thai, or even why any Westerner would choose to live in Thailand, since Thai and Western culture and ways of thinking are so different. Do we have anything in common? People find reasons to like things that are so different from what they know.