1 hour ago, gargamon said:

The MAGA morons

Oh dear.... 

46 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So why did John Brennan admit that it WAS political? This will have been very hard for him to admit to.

 

"Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

Send an email to John Brennan and ask him.

28 minutes ago, blackrok said:

Nevertheless, Raskin lied and maybe he's unaware due to his brain cancer.

 

CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC et al choose not to cover anything negative affecting Biden, but other sources do.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jamie-raskin-lied-about-the-biden-bribery-memo/ar-AA1ckuWg

Because a right wing apparatchik named Elizabeth Stauffer says so? I missed the part where she cites Raskin's refutation of Barr's claim.

 

Team Raskin Responds

A spokesperson for House Oversight Democrats said Barr was “downplaying the scope of the assessment he assigned to US Attorney Brady and his team of prosecutors and FBI agents, who interviewed the confidential human source and reviewed suspicious activity reports filed by banks, to evaluate the allegations of corruption peddled by Rudy Giuliani.”

“The FBI informed the Committee, in no uncertain terms, that this assessment was closed in August 2020 after it failed to identify sufficient evidence to justify further investigation,” the statement continued. “By referring to the assessment as an ‘intake process,’ former Attorney General Barr is attempting to walk back the conclusions of this probe. 

https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/06-9-2023/barrs-raskin-dustup/

 

Keep in mind that this is the same William Barr who was castigated by a federal judge for lying about the Mueller report.

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43 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Most of the recent sources cited above in this thread by various Trump supporters here are deemed "questionable sources" by MediaBiasFactCheck.com -- which supposedly are not allowed as legitimate news sources on the forum.

 

For example:

 

"Overall, we rate Just the News Questionable and Right Biased based on story selection that mostly favors a conservative perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks and the promotion of conspiracy theories and right-wing propaganda."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

 

It turns out that the author of this article also wrote a favorable review of Mike Lindell's election fraud documentary. It is to laugh.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/except-lefts-mockery-oans-disclaimer-mike-lindells-met-vaughn?trk=public_profile_article_view

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So why did John Brennan admit that it WAS political? This will have been very hard for him to admit to.

 

"Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

Did you even read that article? It provides no evidence whatsoever of John Brennan admitting that it "was political." 

 

It does reference a Fox News article that the Daily Mail says was reporting Brennan had said something to that effect. However if you follow the link and read the Fox News article, it also does not provide any evidence of John Brennan admitting to it being political.

 

All it says is that Jim Jordan claimed John Brennan's remarks in a closed door hearing confirmed to him (Jordan) that this was political.

 

It also indicates that a democratic member of the committee who was in the hearing interpreted Brennan's remarks completely differently to how Jordan did.

 

Neither the Daily Mail article nor the Fox News article contain any information about what John Brennan's actual words were. All we have are Jim Jordan's claims about what his words amounted to.

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Seems like a nothing burger until we hear the recordings.

11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So, there IS very strong and credible evidence that joe biden was taking money from the Ukraine that we were promised never happened.

What will happen to the people that actually IMPEACHED a President for wanting an investigation of the biden's corruption in Ukraine now that we know there is much evidence(that was covered up by the DOJ and would have immediately ended the impeachment farce) that corruption WAS taking place.

 If we remember he was impeached for falsely insinuating that biden was taking corrupt payments from the Ukraine that he actually WAS taking. No wonder conservatives do not trust the DOJ or democrat media one iota.

 Isn't it great for joe that the media is fixating on the illogical charges against his political opponent at such a crucial time which has somehow buried reports on the corruption we were told in no uncertain terms never happened. What a mess.

If there is "very strong and credible evidence that joe biden was taking money from the Ukraine" then it certainly isn't contained in what Chuck Grassley is saying.

 

All we've got from Grassley is an allegation that a Ukrainian businessman, who allegedly made payments to the Bidens, claims to have recordings of him talking to Hunter and Joe Biden.

 

Furthermore, the only basis for this is an FBI FD-1023 document which as several people have pointed out, is a document used for unverified reports from confidential sources. 

 

If and when the recordings have been produced, verified, and we know what's on them, then there might be something substantive here.

 

However there is as yet, no evidence that these recordings actually exist, or of what is on them.

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The Republicans have been pursuing the Joe Biden-Burisma-Ukraine claims since at least 2019, nearly 4 years now...

Y'all remember Benghazi? They are like a dog with an invisible, non-existing bone... Keeps working for 30% of the US electorate but they are going to have to change tack if they ever want to win nationally again. 

4 hours ago, champers said:

Whilst all these politicians are  investigating and impeaching each other, who is actually governing the country?

Are you serious? Policy has been dictated by corporations for decades. US democracy is window dressing for the uninterested. 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

More BS. The left has some evidence as well, it's mostly phony, but they have some.

 

Remember, fifty FBI agents swore Hunter's laptop was disinformation and then candidate Biden quoted them in the debate, 

 

Your memory is faulty. All the people who signed that document were former intelligence agents  who had worked for various branches of the govt.

Personally I equate it to a republican distraction (to put it politely)in a desperate attempt to give cover to ,at best ego maniac trump at worst traitor trump.Cough up your recordings chucky prove it!

11 minutes ago, blackrok said:

Raskin lied, plain and simple.

He's emulating Adam Schiff's lying ways.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/06/09/jamie-raskin-lies-like-adam-schiff-on-joe-biden-bribe-probe/

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jamie-raskin-lied-about-the-biden-bribery-memo/ar-AA1ckuWg

Do you think that repeating links like the one from that loon who believes Mike Lindell has made a serious documentary are going to make them better. Or an editorial from the NY Post is serious reporting?

Neither of those articles address Raskin's rebuttal. And apparently they believe that William Barr is an honest person.

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1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Your memory is faulty. All the people who signed that document were former intelligence agents  who had worked for various branches of the govt.

And then candidate Biden quoted them in the debate. 

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

I don't recall ever saying that. 

I'm sorry, when you said he was grifting, I assumed that made him a grifter. 

 

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

If I remember correctly, the FBI said it bore the earmarks of Russian disinformation, and I have no reason to doubt them.  Also, after all this time, I have no reason to believe that there was anything to incriminate President Biden on the laptop.  If there had it would have been acted upon by now.

Why would you? They're on your side.

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Of course the right likes to take hyperbole to the point of outright lying.

Not like the left....

How does a lifelong politician wind up with millions in homes and in the banks?

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27 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How does a lifelong politician wind up with millions in homes and in the banks?

In part because he made a good amount of money during his time in the private sector from January 2017 to 2020 after ending his tenure as vice president, as has been well documented:

Trump’s False Claims About Biden Wealth...

"But over the next 23 months, according to Forbes, citing tax filings, the couple made $15 million.

 

Forbes said Joe Biden received $2.4 million in speaking fees and $1.8 million from book tour events. It also said he brought in $775,000 from the University of Pennsylvania, where he is the Benjamin Franklin professor of practice and where he heads the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy & Global Engagement. It said Jill Biden added $700,000 in speaking fees.

...

While Trump is right that Biden spent many years on a government salary, the former vice president has had some very lucrative years in the private sector. ... And there is no evidence he earned money through any kind of corruption."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trumps-false-claims-about-biden-wealth-recovery-wishes/

 

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23 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How does a lifelong politician wind up with millions in homes and in the banks?

40 years as a senator and probably comes from a wealthy family as well. He'd have to be a poor money manager not to be worth a few million. One doesn't even get to be a senator without substantial means.

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7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

40 years as a senator and probably comes from a wealthy family as well. He'd have to be a poor money manager not to be worth a few million.

 

He's also been the beneficiary, like many others, of the rising prices of US real estate over the decades...

 

"Biden bought the five-bedroom, 2.5-bath former DuPont mansion at 6 Montchan Drive, Wilmington, Delaware, in 1974. He bought the 10,012-square-foot home in disrepair for $185,000.... He spent two decades renovating and living in it before selling it for $1.2 million in February 1996."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/22/fact-check-joe-biden-owns-2-homes-pictured-viral-meme/3720570001/

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How does a lifelong politician wind up with millions in homes and in the banks?

Unlike a former president, i's easy to check as he has publicised his tax returns for years. Nothing secret about it.

Here:

http://www.disclosures.org/joe-biden-financial-disclosures/

And the more recent ones here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/disclosures/tax-returns/

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

He's also been the beneficiary, like many others, of the rising prices of US real estate over the decades...

 

"Biden bought the five-bedroom, 2.5-bath former DuPont mansion at 6 Montchan Drive, Wilmington, Delaware, in 1974. He bought the 10,012-square-foot home in disrepair for $185,000.... He spent two decades renovating and living in it before selling it for $1.2 million in February 1996."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/22/fact-check-joe-biden-owns-2-homes-pictured-viral-meme/3720570001/

 

 

 

And not a penny from Hunter, China, Russia, or Burisma, right?

12 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

And not a penny from Hunter, China, Russia, or Burisma, right?

If you have some actual proof (not unsubstantiated claims) from credible sources (not disreputable conspiracy theorists), present it...

 

Otherwise, you'll just be in the same boat as the right-wing GOP lawmakers who've been crying wolf for years without any actual proof.

 

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1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

And then candidate Biden quoted them in the debate. 

Of course he would.

That doesn't mean his campaign executed the letter.

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

40 years as a senator and probably comes from a wealthy family as well.

 

No... not from a wealthy family during the years Biden was growing up, unlike some other presidential candidates we know.

 

"Biden's father had been wealthy and the family purchased a home in the affluent Long Island suburb of Garden City in the fall of 1946,^[12] but he suffered business setbacks around the time Biden was seven years old,^[13][14][15] and for several years the family lived with Biden's maternal grandparents in Scranton.^[16] Scranton fell into economic decline during the 1950s and Biden's father could not find steady work.^[17] Beginning in 1953 when Biden was ten,^[18] the family lived in an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, before moving to a house in nearby Mayfield.^{[19][20][14][16]} Biden Sr. later became a successful used-car salesman, maintaining the family in a middle-class lifestyle.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#Early_life_(1942–1965)

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm sorry, when you said he was grifting, I assumed that made him a grifter. 

 

Why would you? They're on your side.

Not like the left....

Yes, sure, the fbi and CIA, those well known liberal institutes.

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

No... not from a wealthy family during the years Biden was growing up, unlike some other presidential candidates we know.

 

"Biden's father had been wealthy and the family purchased a home in the affluent Long Island suburb of Garden City in the fall of 1946,^[12] but he suffered business setbacks around the time Biden was seven years old,^[13][14][15] and for several years the family lived with Biden's maternal grandparents in Scranton.^[16] Scranton fell into economic decline during the 1950s and Biden's father could not find steady work.^[17] Beginning in 1953 when Biden was ten,^[18] the family lived in an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, before moving to a house in nearby Mayfield.^{[19][20][14][16]} Biden Sr. later became a successful used-car salesman, maintaining the family in a middle-class lifestyle.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#Early_life_(1942–1965)

 

Funny, isn't it? You'd think blue collar workers would identify more with a working class man than a silver spoon boy who represents a party of the rich which shipped their jobs overseas.

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