bannork Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Pita getting a rapturous reception at Thai women's volleyball match with Turkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Sporadic violence, including shootings, bomb attempts and grenades thrown at protesters led to 28 deaths and over 800 injuries during the course of the protests. yes from the thugs close to the government against the yellow...not from the military. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, bannork said: Pita getting a rapturous reception at Thai women's volleyball match with Turkey I have no sound here, but on the video I only see him not people cheering him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: A coup is defined as a violent and unlawful seizure of power from an elected government. if it is not violent it is not violent...no matter what you "define". unlawful: yes elected government in this case no: it was an EXPIRED caretaker government which had no base in the constitution. Their duty would would have been to report their failure to the King. Who than could install a caretaker government who prepares for new elections. But the government was unlawful glued to their chairs. The right way would have been that the courts remove the government not the military. So the military is still wrong but it is not the way you describe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, h90 said: if it is not violent it is not violent...no matter what you "define". unlawful: yes elected government in this case no: it was an EXPIRED caretaker government which had no base in the constitution. Their duty would would have been to report their failure to the King. Who than could install a caretaker government who prepares for new elections. But the government was unlawful glued to their chairs. The right way would have been that the courts remove the government not the military. So the military is still wrong but it is not the way you describe it. A coup is a violent act and illegal no matter how nonsenical you sound. Seizing power is an violent act. Precursor coup events of violent acts in which the military shoot and killed protestors were aspects of reasoningsfor staging the coup. . The caretaker government role was to organize an election as soon as possible. Foolish interpretation by you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, h90 said: yes from the thugs close to the government against the yellow...not from the military. Head in the sand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, h90 said: if it is not violent it is not violent...no matter what you "define". unlawful: yes elected government in this case no: it was an EXPIRED caretaker government which had no base in the constitution. Their duty would would have been to report their failure to the King. Who than could install a caretaker government who prepares for new elections. But the government was unlawful glued to their chairs. The right way would have been that the courts remove the government not the military. So the military is still wrong but it is not the way you describe it. If the coup was not violent, Prayuth should have come empty handed and politely asked the politicians to have a chat. People only obeyed him because he had weapons which by their nature threaten violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, h90 said: I have no sound here, but on the video I only see him not people cheering him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: A coup is a violent act and illegal no matter how nonsenical you sound. Seizing power is an violent act. Precursor coup events of violent acts in which the military shoot and killed protestors were aspects of reasoningsfor staging the coup. . The caretaker government role was to organize an election as soon as possible. Foolish interpretation by you. an expired caretaker government can not organize anything....they are as illegal as the coupmaker....the word is EXPIRED..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, bannork said: If the coup was not violent, Prayuth should have come empty handed and politely asked the politicians to have a chat. People only obeyed him because he had weapons which by their nature threaten violence yes OK, than everyone who got bodily harm should be refunded....just there is no one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, h90 said: yes from the thugs close to the government against the yellow...not from the military. Jeez, even Prayut admitted in one of his first tv broadcasts after taking power that yellow shirts were amongst those commiting acts of violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, h90 said: an expired caretaker government can not organize anything....they are as illegal as the coupmaker....the word is EXPIRED..... That was an opinion by a group of academics called Siam Prachapiwat that has no legal merits. You are embarrassing yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, h90 said: yes OK, than everyone who got bodily harm should be refunded....just there is no one Because no one wanted to get shot. Should Yingluck have challenged Prayuth to some arm wrestling? If I come round to your house with a gun and tell you to do everything I say, am I committing a serious crime? Yes, I'm clearly threatening violence, perhaps death If I come round to your house empty handed and tell you to do everything I say, am I committing a serious crime? No, I'm being a pain in the backside and perhaps mentally ill. A coup is a violent act because it threatens injury or death if resisted.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, bannork said: Because no one wanted to get shot. Should Yingluck have challenged Prayuth to some arm wrestling? If I come round to your house with a gun and tell you to do everything I say, am I committing a serious crime? Yes, I'm clearly threatening violence, perhaps death If I come round to your house empty handed and tell you to do everything I say, am I committing a serious crime? No, I'm being a pain in the backside and perhaps mentally ill. A coup is a violent act because it threatens injury or death if resisted.. now you already downgraded it from violence to serious crime and threatening violence..... Threatening violence and violence is something different..... I agree it was threatening violence. If he would have slapped Yingluck it would have been violence...but he didn't. Keeping sitting on your chair and ordering people around when you are expired is also a crime. Imagine your hated Prayut leads a caretaker government that is expired....I am sure you would agree to carry him out of the PMs office together with the chair he glued himself on, right....Same case....Expired illegal government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 59 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: That was an opinion by a group of academics called Siam Prachapiwat that has no legal merits. You are embarrassing yourself. No one doubts that the government was expired.....You don't need academics to interpret that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, edwinchester said: Jeez, even Prayut admitted in one of his first tv broadcasts after taking power that yellow shirts were amongst those commiting acts of violence. yes but that is off topic...I didn't dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 13 hours ago, h90 said: No one doubts that the government was expired.....You don't need academics to interpret that word. The government was expired because the Suthep crowd wouldn't allow elections. What did the constitution say should replace an expired government? If it didn't cover that contingency, the only reasonable solution is for the "expired" government to continue governing until a new government is selected through elections, not a military coup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 20 hours ago, bannork said: Pita getting a rapturous reception at Thai women's volleyball match with Turkey Lucky so and so - got a seat right at the front! I hope that the lass with the denim shorts jumping up and down gets a place in his cabinet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 20 hours ago, h90 said: I have no sound here, but on the video I only see him not people cheering him.... And another straw floats past on h90's political river - quick, clutch it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 22 hours ago, Eric Loh said: A coup is defined as a violent and unlawful seizure of power from an elected government. By whom.... ? Surely a coup can be bloodless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 hours ago, heybruce said: The government was expired because the Suthep crowd wouldn't allow elections. What did the constitution say should replace an expired government? If it didn't cover that contingency, the only reasonable solution is for the "expired" government to continue governing until a new government is selected through elections, not a military coup. yes because Suthep made troubles with the elections....but they why doesn't matter. When the government is expired, means there is no government, the old government has to "inform" the king about the power vacuum. Don't know all his options, but the most common would be to install a government of bureaucrats which prepares for new elections. And if someone think that is not democratic, something like 3 years ago we had such a government in Austria, installed by the president. No one complained about it. There can be different opinions on what to do, but one thing is for sure you can't continue to govern, because a) there is an expiration date, if it wouldn't matter than there would be no expiration date and b) think thru what that means, it would open the door for any dictator, every government that may loose can sabotage the elections and remain in power for infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, jacko45k said: By whom.... ? Surely a coup can be bloodless? Defined by himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, jacko45k said: By whom.... ? Surely a coup can be bloodless? A coup can be bloodless because the population don't fight back but it's a seizure of power by use of force. That is violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 53 minutes ago, h90 said: yes because Suthep made troubles with the elections....but they why doesn't matter. When the government is expired, means there is no government, the old government has to "inform" the king about the power vacuum. Don't know all his options, but the most common would be to install a government of bureaucrats which prepares for new elections. And if someone think that is not democratic, something like 3 years ago we had such a government in Austria, installed by the president. No one complained about it. There can be different opinions on what to do, but one thing is for sure you can't continue to govern, because a) there is an expiration date, if it wouldn't matter than there would be no expiration date and b) think thru what that means, it would open the door for any dictator, every government that may loose can sabotage the elections and remain in power for infinity. So you are accusing the military of not allowing the king to install a new government. That's in addition to the illegal coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, heybruce said: So you are accusing the military of not allowing the king to install a new government. That's in addition to the illegal coup. no I am accusing the old government for not doing their duty and ask for help as Thailand was without legal government.....so actually they old government seized power that was not theirs. That is not the military fault...caused by Suthep.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, bannork said: A coup can be bloodless because the population don't fight back but it's a seizure of power by use of force. That is violence. the population did not fight back...because they weren't much against it....which also showed as Prayuth won the popular vote years later in the election. Coups are something very common in Thailand...part of the political culture....and not a big drama like it would be in Europe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeandDow Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, h90 said: the population did not fight back...because they weren't much against it....which also showed as Prayuth won the popular vote years later in the election. Coups are something very common in Thailand...part of the political culture....and not a big drama like it would be in Europe. Total Rubbish !! for 1 Payut WAS not Elected by the Thai people, you need to get your facts right before spouting rubbish posts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, MikeandDow said: Total Rubbish !! for 1 Payut WAS not Elected by the Thai people, you need to get your facts right before spouting rubbish posts h90 was asked previously to show where , when and how Phayut waws elected by the people, he can't but keeps up spouting the same nonsense --- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeandDow Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Artisi said: h90 was asked previously to show where , when and how Phayut waws elected by the people, he can't but keeps up spouting the same nonsense --- agree he spouts Rubbish just a troll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, bannork said: A coup can be bloodless because the population don't fight back but it's a seizure of power by use of force. That is violence. Sounds like clutching at straws to me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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