Pheu Thai may face a terrible dilemma as outgoing government parties still aim for power in PM vote

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Former Pheu Thai MP and political activist Jatuporn Prompan spoke on Wednesday on ThaiRath TV, where he gave a telling analysis of just what might unfold in Thailand from Thursday, July 13th next, when an eight-party coalition nominates the Move Forward Party’s Pita Limjaroenrat to be Thailand’s next Prime Minister.

 

One discounted option that may emerge as the political stakes grow and the danger of instability becomes apparent is the inclusion of the Bhumjaithai Party in the proposed coalition if the country finds itself at perilous political crossroads where compromises are unavoidable. 

Veteran political activist and pro-democracy campaigner Jatuporn Prompan predicts that the Pheu Thai Party will ultimately face a fateful decision in the coming weeks between adhering to democratic principles or reaching a compromise with parties of the outgoing government if the Thai Senate continues to block a government with the Move Forward Party at its head. His disturbing assessment was made on Thai TV on Wednesday night just hours after House Speaker Wan Muhamad Noor Matha confirmed that a joint parliamentary session will go ahead on Thursday, July 13th to try to elect Thailand’s 30th Prime Minister.

 

Newly elected House Speaker, Wan Muhamad Noor Matha, confirmed on Wednesday, that July 13th will be the day that the joint sitting of the House of Representatives and the Senate will be held.

 

by Joseph O' Connor

 

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Full story: https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2023/07/06/pheu-thai-in-a-terrible-dilemma-says-jatuporn-pm-election-political-power/

 

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[2baht]

What a mess! This is Thai democracy in full flight!????????????

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by 2baht

[hotchilli]

19 minutes ago, 2baht said:

What a mess!

What a plonker... this man should just go away.

[2baht]

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

What a plonker... this man should just go away.

I think they're all plonkers, but they will never just go away! There's swill in that thar trough!

[sammieuk1]

Land of you won but not really cos we don't like who won in a nutshell ???? 

[bannork]

Jatuporn confidently predicted that PT's Suchart Tancharern would be elected House Speaker.

Wrong.

PT don't have to do anything if Pita is not elected by the senators.

The coalition sticks together then proposes Settha as PM.

If the senators reject even him, then it is screamingly obvious the senators are rejecting the choices of the vast majority of Thai voters.

The coalition go into Opposition and let.Bhumjaithai form a minority government which very quickly collapses.

Only Anuthin has already said he won't be part of a minority government.

A way out for the dinosaurs and PT would be the dissolution of MF, but even then the MPs can join a reserved spare party.

PT risk considerable damage if they betray MF and join Bhumjaithai.

Better to stick with MF and see the senators blink. After all the senators sole objection to MF is reform of article 112.. PT have no such agenda so senators have no reason to oppose Settha as PM.

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by bannork

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

What a plonker... this man should just go away.

Should've been locked up years ago.

[2baht]

3 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Should've been locked up years ago.

He was..................they let him out after he served his time!

[zzaa09]

2 minutes ago, 2baht said:

He was..................they let him out after he served his time!

As in: stayed locked up for a good long time.

[MikeandDow]

3 hours ago, 2baht said:

What a mess! This is Thai democracy in full flight!????????????

 

 

 

 

Why have a Election in the first place if  the senate can block the people"s chocie

[2baht]

3 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Why have a Election in the first place if  the senate can block the people's choice

Cos' that's the way they do it! 

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Cos' that's the way they do it! 

That is NOT Democracy

[2baht]

33 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

That is NOT Democracy

You are learning! 

[MikeandDow]

17 minutes ago, 2baht said:

You are learning! 

dont need to learn, but the Thais do!

but this is getting off topic

Edited July 7, 2023 by MikeandDow

[h90]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

What a plonker... this man should just go away.

he is a smart one....he see reality

[h90]

59 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

That is NOT Democracy

Why? people elect parties and a majority of the MPs agree on a prime minister. It will not be democratic Pita, but it will be a other democratic elected person.

[2baht]

16 minutes ago, h90 said:

Why? people elect parties and a majority of the MPs agree on a prime minister. It will not be democratic Pita, but it will be a other democratic elected person.

More like a CEO for Thailand Inc! It's more a business than a government!

[cleopatra2]

The wise move is for MF to drop the 112 amendment. ( It is unlikely to gain much support in Parliament). 

Then once Pita is PM to bring it forward for debate in the future.

[pegman]

48 minutes ago, h90 said:

Why? people elect parties and a majority of the MPs agree on a prime minister. It will not be democratic Pita, but it will be a other democratic elected person.

You're not paying attention. It is not solely M.P.'s that select the Prime Minister. It is them plus 250. appointed Senators. 

[h90]

33 minutes ago, 2baht said:

More like a CEO for Thailand Inc! It's more a business than a government!

That anyway no matter which Oligarchs puppet will be PM....Thaksins or Thai Summit (Thanathorn) and all are members of the World Economic Forum and follow their agenda (Prayut, Thanatorn, Shinawattras, Abhisit). So less of a question about democracy and more of a question how bad it will be.....

[h90]

19 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The wise move is for MF to drop the 112 amendment. ( It is unlikely to gain much support in Parliament). 

Then once Pita is PM to bring it forward for debate in the future.

Too late...too much hostile rhetoric already. I would have guessed they drop it the day after election so he get electable. And it isn't the most urgent problem of Thailand, they could have started that 2 years later.

[2baht]

5 minutes ago, pegman said:

It is not solely M.P.'s that select the Prime Minister. It is them plus 250. appointed Senators. 

Dinosaurs! Protected rich!

[h90]

4 minutes ago, pegman said:

You're not paying attention. It is not solely M.P.'s that select the Prime Minister. It is them plus 250. appointed Senators. 

yes, but the PM must have a majority of MPs as well, else he can't govern at all. So the Senators can't try to get someone who doesn't has a robust coalition supporting him/her.

MFP has 151 MP of 500. So there are plenty of coalitions possible without them if they are too radical

[Robin]

This is what the Rich Elite want; Chaos the the military have o step in and take charge.  How dare the rabble think they ae fit to chose who governs Thailand?

[h90]

1 minute ago, Robin said:

This is what the Rich Elite want; Chaos the the military have o step in and take charge.  How dare the rabble think they ae fit to chose who governs Thailand?

MFP and PTP are part of the rich elite of Thailand. MFP is Thai Summit which is a huge car manufacturer. PTP is the Shinawattra clan.
It is not democracy against the elites.....it is which Oligarch wins over the other, or if it is the men in green uniform.

[pegman]

56 minutes ago, h90 said:

yes, but the PM must have a majority of MPs as well, else he can't govern at all. So the Senators can't try to get someone who doesn't has a robust coalition supporting him/her.

MFP has 151 MP of 500. So there are plenty of coalitions possible without them if they are too radical

So getting rid of 112 would be radical would it? 

[h90]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

So getting rid of 112 would be radical would it? 

For me not.....but for Thai people yes.....We have similar crazy laws in Germany and Austria....Things we are not allowed to speak....I don't agree with it but changing would make so many people upset that it is impossible

[billd766]

5 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

As in: stayed locked up for a good long time.

For what crime do you think he should be locked up for a long time?

[billd766]

4 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Why have a Election in the first place if  the senate can block the people"s chocie

Another question is why is there an unelected senate in the first place?

[h90]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Another question is why is there an unelected senate in the first place?

the senats are a nonsense but the can not block much, they can only bend a little bit.

They aren't a single block

They can't block an overwhelming vote of 376 MPs

They can't install a PM who has less than 250 votes in Parliament (because he can't govern without majority).

So it is only that they have some influence.