Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, h90 said: May I correct.....Everytime there is a new politician in Thailand it turns out that he is as much of a fraud as the others..... You have spent the last two months variously suggesting that Pita and MFP are a risk to "stability", reckless political adventures with a programme to bring Thailand down, and that they have no right to claim to govern and should allow Pheu Thai to take the lead in forming a coalition government. Now he suggests that he may consider doing that, he is a fraud! Make your mind up! Edited July 17, 2023 by herfiehandbag 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: You have spent the last two months variously suggesting that Pita and MFP are a risk to "stability", reckless political adventures with a programme to bring Thailand down, and that they should allow Pheu Thai to take the lead in forming a coalition government. Now he suggests that he may consider doing that, he is a fraud! Make your mind up! I don't get your point....I am still consider that his program is bringing Thailands economic down....and he is a fraud....And my opinion is getting even worse. yes PTP forming a government would be better.....but that game the PTP plays, while smart it is also ugly.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) Weak, pathetic, cowardly, self entitled hooligans, who are accustomed to a perch atop the ivory tower, scared to death of being taken down a notch, and being asked to be accountable for their heinous and unforgivable actions. Of course they will resort to whatever dirty tactics they can. That is who and what they are. Filth. They are the deplorables. This was very poorly phrased. This has nothing to do with hearts. Quite the opposite. This is about money grubbing lowlifes, trying to use their illegitimate positions, to deny the will of the people, steal an election, move the nation backwards, and deny any kind of change or reform. This is a toxic power grab. These senators deserve a lifetime of pain and suffering. One can only hope the people will be bold enough to inflict that upon them. Edited July 17, 2023 by spidermike007 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) I think that sensible people might hold their judgments on all and sundry till the end of this week. I don't see Pita as a scoundrel like the dinosaurs and I don't think he's wrong in offering to step aside if it proves necessary in the PM race to keep the dinosaurs at bay. What he does show is some inexperience and a tendency to say too much in public. But then he does have a watching audience (including us) who are waiting on his every word ... It's going to be a long-term labour to reform Thai politics, government & culture. Delaying things till the next election (next year?) is not a bad thing. It will give MFP time to settle in to their unexpected success and be ready to win a REAL majority on their own next time. As leader Pita has to balance the nasty realities of power politics against keeping faith with those who voted for him and those many others who will probably vote for him next time. Edited July 17, 2023 by mfd101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Weak, pathetic, cowardly, self entitled hooligans, who are accustomed to a perch atop the ivory tower, scared to death of being taken down a notch, and being asked to be accountable for their heinous and unforgivable actions. Of course they will resort to whatever dirty tactics they can. That is who and what they are. Filth. They are the deplorables. This was very poorly phrased. This has nothing to do with hearts. Quite the opposite. This is about money grubbing lowlifes, trying to use their illegitimate positions, to deny the will of the people, steal an election, move the nation backwards, and deny any kind of change or reform. This is a toxic power grab. These senators deserve a lifetime of pain and suffering. One can only hope the people will be bold enough to inflict that upon them. Yes but let's not get too overwrought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, TheTightArseTraveller said: If you do a bit of research, this guy is just an American/Big State puppet. Im not saying change isn’t needed, but I would rather the devil we know that keeps Thailand Thai than a puppet that works to erode Thai culture to replace it with western ‘values’. A bit of research? Any links? And the devil you know... Who would that be, exactly? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, h90 said: May I correct.....Everytime there is a new politician in Thailand it turns out that he is as much of a fraud as the others..... So, given all politicians were new at some point, all are frauds? Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billybaroo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 6 hours ago, flyingtlger said: Unfortunately, I think Pita will step down... Two things are inevitable: He will step down and the nail in the coffin, he will be banned from politics. The fist will not be enough for the Constitutional Court and the ????s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, h90 said: I don't get your point....I am still consider that his program is bringing Thailands economic down....and he is a fraud....And my opinion is getting even worse. yes PTP forming a government would be better.....but that game the PTP plays, while smart it is also ugly.... He's a fraud? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billybaroo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, DjSilver said: Everytime there is a qualified new politicin Thailand, the dictatorship will force him/her away. The global leaders need to start and block Thailand from the international trade as long as they do like this. Not China. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Billybaroo said: Not China. Not Myanmar, not Cambodia, not USA which does not want that Thailand pivot more to China, not Russia..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billybaroo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, TheTightArseTraveller said: If you do a bit of research, this guy is just an American/Big State puppet. Im not saying change isn’t needed, but I would rather the devil we know that keeps Thailand Thai than a puppet that works to erode Thai culture to replace it with western ‘values’. So China as an ally is a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billybaroo said: Two things are inevitable: He will step down and the nail in the coffin, he will be banned from politics. The fist will not be enough for the Constitutional Court and the ????s. Step down from what? So far he is nothing more than a failed candidate 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, h90 said: Beside the value thing, which I agree. He wants a radical anti Myanmar, anti Cambodia and anti China politics....China is not only the biggest trading partner, but also the biggest source of tourism. On top of that, double the minimum salary, higher taxes and higher energy costs. That would complete kill the industry. I've asked you for links in the past to your claims, but none were forthcoming. So, links to his radical anti Myanmar policies, links to his radical anti Cambodia policies, and links to his anti China policies please. In the meantime, here's a sample of their manifesto: https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG230518114550495 And just for good measure, here's a Pheu Thai manifesto from December 2022: https://www.thaienquirer.com/46486/pheu-thai-up-political-game-after-its-policy-manifesto-announcement-politics-set-to-heat-up/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, bradiston said: I've asked you for links in the past to your claims, but none were forthcoming. So, links to his radical anti Myanmar policies, links to his radical anti Cambodia policies, and links to his anti China policies please. In the meantime, here's a sample of their manifesto: https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG230518114550495 And just for good measure, here's a Pheu Thai manifesto from December 2022: https://www.thaienquirer.com/46486/pheu-thai-up-political-game-after-its-policy-manifesto-announcement-politics-set-to-heat-up/ Google is your friend.....MFP again and again spoke about their stance against the Myanmar military government...so bad that they voiced their concern. Thanks for the link about PTP....I didn't know how horrible they are. minimum wage to 600 Baht new graduates to 25,000 Baht Central Bank Digital Currency and digital wallets instead of cash to enhance transparency a single identification system Eradicate the drug problem CBDC cashless society with social credit system...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, h90 said: Step down from what? So far he is nothing more than a failed candidate He's the leader of the party that got the most seats in the House of Representatives in the recent election. Not bad from a standing start. He stood for what he believes in, and what he promised in his manifesto. He got the support on all those topics, yes, INCLUDING 112, from 14,438,851 Thais, 38% of the electorate, almost as much as the next two parties combined. Your comments are insulting to the Thai electorate who voted MFP in. He is standing by what he was voted in to do, and what he promised. It will probably cost him the job of PM, but for you to call him a fraud... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, bradiston said: I've asked you for links in the past to your claims, but none were forthcoming. So, links to his radical anti Myanmar policies, links to his radical anti Cambodia policies, and links to his anti China policies please. In the meantime, here's a sample of their manifesto: https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG230518114550495 And just for good measure, here's a Pheu Thai manifesto from December 2022: https://www.thaienquirer.com/46486/pheu-thai-up-political-game-after-its-policy-manifesto-announcement-politics-set-to-heat-up/ Best to ignore him, he is anti-democracy, and even supports the cruel, despotic CCP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, h90 said: Google is your friend.....MFP again and again spoke about their stance against the Myanmar military government...so bad that they voiced their concern. Thanks for the link about PTP....I didn't know how horrible they are. minimum wage to 600 Baht new graduates to 25,000 Baht Central Bank Digital Currency and digital wallets instead of cash to enhance transparency a single identification system Eradicate the drug problem CBDC cashless society with social credit system...... I don't get your opposition to policies in a country that isn't even yours. I'm not going to do your research for you. That's simply a trolling technique. Opposition to Myanmar murderers is not on your list? An utterly corrupt dictatorship in Cambodia? Where are the links to that? What, you never even read any of the parties' manifestos? Did you do any research at all? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 A post with comments attempting to bring the Royal family into the discussion has been reported and removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Homburg Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 It is likely that the Senators would want to block any Pheu Thai PM selection, but that could be a dangerous move as it would become very apparent to voters that the Senators are in control. In reality Pita's offer to "step aside" could be seen as a threat to fully lay bare the extent of the Senators' control over the democratically elected parliament. This possibility could certainly go some way to "win over the hearts and minds" of the Senators. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted July 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, h90 said: Step down from what? So far he is nothing more than a failed candidate His party received 32% more of the eligible votes than its nearest rival, and 200% more than the second nearest rival after that; you have a remarkably twisted concept of a failed candidate. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 I fear that he and MFP are done for no matter what happens. The elite have had a nasty shock which they dont want repeated. Even if there is a reincarnation of MFP in the future the mechanisms for preventing a repeat of this election result in the next will be firmly put in place over the next 4 years either by a military government brought about by coup or by the coalition (without MFP) through an unholy alliance with the dark side. I hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Their hearts are in their bank accounts. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said: If he's not willing to fight for democracy then he is the wrong guy. Agree, hang in there - don't step down, fight fight fight, don't let the bar stewards beat you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, reptile91602 said: I don't care what Pita stands for. I only know he is very different from the status quo and in a minute he is ready to submit to their decision to step down. Something just doesn't smell right here. It is always fishy in this country. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to his "other choices". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trippy Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Pita is for higher taxes, higher minimum wage which means high inflation, and he wants to put cannabis on the drug list again. It wouldn't break my heart if he doesn't get to be PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, nikmar said: exactly - times are changing - slowly. In the next election , things will be much different. Well, if not the next, the one after that. And if still no luck, try again in the next one after the one after that, and if still RIGGED, just keep on trying. At least by that time, the so-called senators will all be dead. Me too, unfortunately, I was wanting to live long enough in hope of seeing democracy finally winning in Thailand. But for the next-however-many-elections, it looks like SSDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Deputy Pheu Thai leader Phumtham Wechayachai told TV 3 Mon morning pro-junta parties are trying to poach MPs from both Pheu Thai & Move Forward. He said 20 PTP MPs & 30 MFP MPs have been offered to switch side & one must be warry of an attempt to form an rival gov't https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1680778548355960833 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, reptile91602 said: I don't care what Pita stands for. I only know he is very different from the status quo and in a minute he is ready to submit to their decision to step down. Something just doesn't smell right here. It is always fishy in this country. As noted by others, he isn't stepping down, as hasn't stepped up yet. No sense in fighting a fight you know you can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 55 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: His party received 32% more of the eligible votes than its nearest rival, and 200% more than the second nearest rival after that; you have a remarkably twisted concept of a failed candidate. and he just failed to secure prime minister for this party....only because of his talk about monarchy and 112. Most other parties with this big won would be already PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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