Puncture.

[NoshowJones]

I got a puncture on the back wheel of my Forza, took it to a local repairer, he put a sort of plug in it.

I assume this is a temperory repair though I may be wrong.

Should I take it to a Honda dealer and get a tube fitted? The last time the exact same happened and the dealers replaced the full tyre. I always wondered why they did this when the tyre only had a small prick on it.

[Tropicalevo]

Not temporary as far as I know.

Over the years I have had quite a few 'plugs' in both cars and bikes. Never a problem afterwards.

Then again, I do not go driving on the highways on the mainland very much.

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Tropicalevo said:

Not temporary as far as I know.

Over the years I have had quite a few 'plugs' in both cars and bikes. Never a problem afterwards.

Then again, I do not go driving on the highways on the mainland very much.

I do a lot of riding on the highways.

[scubascuba3]

I got a plug couple years ago, i did another 15k on that tyre afterwards, just check it every now and again. 

 

If it's a centre puncture they can plug it, i think if it's sidewall they can't 

[Fab5BKK]

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I got a puncture on the back wheel of my Forza, took it to a local repairer, he put a sort of plug in it.

I assume this is a temperory repair though I may be wrong.

Should I take it to a Honda dealer and get a tube fitted? The last time the exact same happened and the dealers replaced the full tyre. I always wondered why they did this when the tyre only had a small prick on it.

Tubed vs Tubeless Tyres

 

Can you put a tube in a tubeless tire?

If you insist on running a tube in a tubeless tire, the general rule of thumb is to treat the setup as one load rating and one speed rating less than the tubeless tire says it can handle. That's mainly because your tube and tire combination will be creating extra heat, especially the harder you ride.

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Fab5BKK said:

Tubed vs Tubeless Tyres

 

Can you put a tube in a tubeless tire?

If you insist on running a tube in a tubeless tire, the general rule of thumb is to treat the setup as one load rating and one speed rating less than the tubeless tire says it can handle. That's mainly because your tube and tire combination will be creating extra heat, especially the harder you ride.

I did not insist on it I only asked about it because it's what I do with my pushbike. I just don't want to get caught out, and I just wonder why the Honda agent about two years ago with the exact same thing fitted a new tyre at a cost of about 2000 Bt instead of just putting a plug on it.

[eisfeld]

Plugs don't have to be temporary if done properly. They are commonly used because it's super easy and quick. Can be done without taking the tire off the bike. I have ridden for thousands of km with a plug.

 

A better quality fix would be to a patch inside and vulcanization but you gotta take the tire off and not every place can/wants to do it. Still cheap and preferred solution if available.

 

As for just replacing the tire... depends on the state of the tire. If it's a tire in good condition then I wouldn't replace it. But if it's getting closer to end of life anyways then might as well just get a new one instead of fixing the old rag. It also depends on the damage to the tire. Plugs are fine for small punctures but not appropriate for something like cuts/cracks.

Edited July 17, 2023 by eisfeld

[stoner]

12 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

and I just wonder why the Honda agent about two years ago with the exact same thing fitted a new tyre at a cost of about 2000 Bt instead of just putting a plug on it.

$$$$$$$$$$$$

[HighPriority]

My understanding is that plugs are regarded as a temporary repair.

Its been explained to me that water “can/could” seep in and cause the steel belts to corrode, resulting in the tyre delaminating…
Obviously undesirable at speed.

 

That said, I’ve used plugs for years and with the occasional visual check are happy to do so.

[Agusts]

Must check regularly to see if losing air or not, if not, then okay...

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

My understanding is that plugs are regarded as a temporary repair.

Its been explained to me that water “can/could” seep in and cause the steel belts to corrode, resulting in the tyre delaminating…
Obviously undesirable at speed.

 

That said, I’ve used plugs for years and with the occasional visual check are happy to do so.

You are right such emergency fix plugs is ment to be temporary until you use inside  patch plug. 

 

But there is no way the tire will suck air while it is air pressure inside it, and I have ridden long distances with emergency plugs in my tires several times without any problems. 

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You are right such emergency fix plugs is ment to be temporary until you use inside  patch plug. 

 

But there is no way the tire will suck air while it is air pressure inside it, and I have ridden long distances with emergency plugs in my tires several times without any problems. 

Exactly. If it is air tight then how can it not be water tight? Especially with the much higher pressure inside than outside and also normally inside being warmer than outside (moisture goes to cold).

[papa al]

If you happen to be in Pattaya,

you could take it to iMoto on Sukumvit

for a proper hot patch,

not expensive.

[scubascuba3]

6 hours ago, papa al said:

If you happen to be in Pattaya,

you could take it to iMoto on Sukumvit

for a proper hot patch,

not expensive.

iMoto will try and sell him an expensive Pirelli

[HighPriority]

7 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Exactly. If it is air tight then how can it not be water tight? Especially with the much higher pressure inside than outside and also normally inside being warmer than outside (moisture goes to cold).

Maybe the moisture comes from the condensation?

At the end of the day that’s what I was told.

[Skipalongcassidy]

There are two things keeping you upright when you are riding... the front tire and the rear tire... I would never patch either... 

[2baht]

14 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I always wondered why they did this when the tyre only had a small prick on it.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Noshow!

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by 2baht

[Fab5BKK]

14 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I did not insist on it I only asked about it because it's what I do with my pushbike. I just don't want to get caught out, and I just wonder why the Honda agent about two years ago with the exact same thing fitted a new tyre at a cost of about 2000 Bt instead of just putting a plug on it.

I didn't write that you insist... It's part of the article I took the pain to copy for you...

 

That'll teach me trying to share knowledge with some people... Hopeless !

[NoshowJones]

12 hours ago, papa al said:

If you happen to be in Pattaya,

you could take it to iMoto on Sukumvit

for a proper hot patch,

not expensive.

Not in Pattaya, but thanks.

[NoshowJones]

15 minutes ago, Fab5BKK said:

I didn't write that you insist... It's part of the article I took the pain to copy for you...

 

That'll teach me trying to share knowledge with some people... Hopeless !

Calm down, how did I know it was copied?

[TimeMachine]

Buy a kit at mr diy and do it yourself next time.  Easy and good.  No need to worry.  Good as gold baby. 

Also can buy on lazada a tyre pressure monitoribg system.  Easy to install.    

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.9fEc2

[JonnyF]

I've done thousands of kms on plugs, including high speeds on large sports bikes. Never an issue.

 

I also tried to remove a plug on an old tyre after it was replaced. No way that sucker was coming out. I'd say you have a much higher chance of getting a new puncture on a separate section of the tyre than an existing plug failing.

 

Of course, the tyre companies will tell you they are temporary, better to buy a new tyre ASAP etc.  

[Fab5BKK]

1 hour ago, NoshowJones said:

Calm down, how did I know it was copied?

I put a link (= internet link to a website article) AND I extracted a part of the article for your convenience...

 

Obviously, you didn't read it...

 

Hopeless...

[Fab5BKK]

2 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Calm down, how did I know it was copied?

My original reply had two parts:

1. Link

2. Article

 

The JPEG below shows you these 2 (two) parts... If you find the JPEG too small, you can click on it (with your mouse, I meant your computer mouse, of course !)

Edited July 18, 2023 by Fab5BKK

[NoshowJones]

14 minutes ago, Fab5BKK said:

My original reply had two parts:

1. Link

2. Article

 

The JPEG below shows you these 2 (two) parts... If you find the JPEG too small, you can click on it (with your mouse, I meant your computer mouse, of course !)

Sorry I must have missed them some way, I know nothing about JPEG.

[eisfeld]

9 hours ago, HighPriority said:

Maybe the moisture comes from the condensation?

At the end of the day that’s what I was told.

Let me expand a bit. If water comes from condensation or the bike sitting in rain... no difference. It has to pass somehow from outside the tire into the inside. But if the plug is air tight then there is no way the water will pass because water molecules are bigger than air molecules. On the flip side if water can pass than it means air can pass so you already got a flat tire at that point. If you mean water inside the tire condensing then... well it was already in the tire and has nothing to do with the plug.

 

The second thing I mentioned was pressure. For something to go from outside the tire to the inside it has to be pushed there. But the inside has a much higher pressure than the outside. If anything then air or water from the inside would go to the outside.

 

So, whoever told you the story about water and tire plugs was just telling a story. There's nothing to worry. I've ridden thousands of km with plugs in my motorbike tire and through a lot of water. No problemo ????