Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[metisdead]

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[CharlieKo]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Pick me! Donald Trump. He's the only one who's been charged with trying to foment an insurrection.

Actually if you read the indictment. Trump hasn't actually been charged with insurrection in specific terms! 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

Actually if you read the indictment. Trump hasn't actually been charged with insurrection in specific terms! 

In specific terms. Smith chose not to charge Trump with inciting riot because discussion about first amendment rights would blur the waters and be harder to prove than the less spectacular charges that have been laid. Most of us won't be fooled by semantics, though, insurrection is what it was.

 

edit: Harder to prove because it goes to Trumps mindset. It is possible Trump is so wacky that he could get a physician to say he was out to lunch on the comprehension scale. There have been some clangers which lean in this direction like security briefings which had to get down the level of winners and losers to get through.

 

Internal Memo Shows Donald Trump's Daily Intelligence Briefings Are, Um, Very Dumbed Down

No dissenting opinions. Very few words.

 

https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-daily-intel-briefings-are-dumb

Edited August 4, 2023 by ozimoron

[bignok]

1 hour ago, tilaceer said:

It would not be surprising that the large number of comments in a Trump article

could be due to the fact that the Trumper/Maga/Qanon/Sovcits members continually post

such bizarre trolling posts, conspiracy theories, opinions posing as facts, deflections and

and “whatabout” Biden posts, that the more informed feels obliged to offer detailed lucid responses pointing out their misconceptions. But, it doesn’t stop there, because when the medication kicks in on another Trumper, they rinse and repeat and off we go again.

imop

I just see abuse from.the haters.

[ozimoron]

It's very risky for Smith to charge Trump on the basis of his state of mind or intent.

 

When Donald Trump was elected president, it quickly became obvious that the traditional national-security briefing a person in his position receives daily would be well beyond his zone of proximal development. The briefings were slimmed down in length, chopped up into easy-to-digest bullet points, and decorated with lots of graphs and pictures. Alas, the Washington Post reports, even the kiddie version of the presidential brief has proven too challenging.

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/dumbed-down-security-briefings-still-too-difficult-for-trump.html

[bignok]

14 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

Actually if you read the indictment. Trump hasn't actually been charged with insurrection in specific terms! 

They never read it. Just jumped onto the hate train. Every Trump topic is the same repetitive hate.

[tilaceer]

4 minutes ago, bignok said:

I just see abuse from.the haters.

QED

[bignok]

Just now, tilaceer said:

QED

What is QED? 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

What is QED? 

It's Greek for Look It Up.

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, candide said:

The Dems did claim massive voter fraud for years? Tried to overturn elections, invented fake electors , voted against certifying elections? And nobody told me?

And Russian interference 555. Were they ever called out on  that?

[bignok]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's very risky for Smith to charge Trump on the basis of his state of mind or intent.

 

When Donald Trump was elected president, it quickly became obvious that the traditional national-security briefing a person in his position receives daily would be well beyond his zone of proximal development. The briefings were slimmed down in length, chopped up into easy-to-digest bullet points, and decorated with lots of graphs and pictures. Alas, the Washington Post reports, even the kiddie version of the presidential brief has proven too challenging.

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/dumbed-down-security-briefings-still-too-difficult-for-trump.html

Why is an Aussie living in Pattaya obsessed with US politics?

[scottiejohn]

8 minutes ago, bignok said:

What is QED? 

"quod erat demonstrandum"

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

Why is an Aussie living in Pattaya obsessed with US politics?

I not obsessed with US politics. That said it's also often said in Australia that when the US sneezes, Australia catches a cold. That's what gives me the right to comment when I'm not a US citizen, contrary to the inferences of some around here.

[CharlieKo]

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

In specific terms. Smith chose not to charge Trump with inciting riot because discussion about first amendment rights would blur the waters and be harder to prove than the less spectacular charges that have been laid. Most of us won't be fooled by semantics, though, insurrection is what it was.

You edited that quite a bit? I think what you mean is, Smith knows he can't prove a case of Insurrection, but thinks he can on those other less than spectacular charges. Charges which seem more related to slavery and how slaves should be treated etc.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

And Russian interference 555. Were they ever called out on  that?

No, because it was proved to be true. What wasn't proved so far was collusion.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

You edited that quite a bit? I think what you mean is, Smith knows he can't prove a case of Insurrection, but thinks he can on those other less than spectacular charges. Charges which seem more related to slavery and how slaves should be treated etc.

I'd lay off the putting words into my mouth bit. A charge dating from times of slavery isn't necessarily about slavery. Slaves didn't commit insurrection that I'm aware of.

 

hint: Try writing "Do you mean" instead of "I think you mean". Can you spot the difference?

Edited August 4, 2023 by ozimoron

[CharlieKo]

Just now, ozimoron said:

I didn't edit one word. The first sentence was my own.

So your post pre edit didn't say. Jack Smith said it was trumps first amendment right to lie? Or words to that effect. Knowing it would stop Trumps Lawyers from arguing amendment rights? It must have been another poster? lol

[ozimoron]

Just now, CharlieKo said:

So your post pre edit didn't say. Jack Smith said it was trumps first amendment right to lie? Or words to that effect. Knowing it would stop Trumps Lawyers from arguing amendment rights? It must have been another poster? lol

I've edited my post. I thought you were referring to another post.

[bignok]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, because it was proved to be true. What wasn't proved so far was collusion.

No it wasnt. Nothing is proven unless something goes to all courts.

[CharlieKo]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'd lay off the putting words into my mouth bit. A charge dating from times of slavery isn't necessarily about slavery. Slaves didn't commit insurrection that I'm aware of.

How that is putting words in your mouth, I have no idea. But hay if the cap fits wear it! 

 

You are aware that the fraudulent charge against Trump, comes from a law dated 1870 used against the KKK. And had everything to do with how slaves could or could not be treated. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by CharlieKo

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

No it wasnt. Nothing is proven unless something goes to all courts.

Russians aren't subject to U.S. courts. Russian interference in U.S. elections favoring Trump is a FACT. 

[bignok]

1 minute ago, CharlieKo said:

How that is putting words in your mouth, I have no idea. Buy hay if the cap fits wear it! 

 

You are aware that the fraudulent charge against Trump, comes from a law dated 1870 used against the KKK. And had everything to do with how slaves could or could not be treated. 

Using laws from 1870 sums up how weak, pathetic and political these charges are. Really nasty stuff from left to keep power.

[CharlieKo]

Just now, bignok said:

Using laws from 1870 sums up how weak, pathetic and political these charges are. Really nasty stuff from left to keep power.

Indeed.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Russians aren't subject to U.S. courts. Russian interference in U.S. elections favoring Trump is a FACT. 

Nonsense. US voters make up their own minds.

 

Does a Thai person impact your US vote?

 

Just more pathetic excuses.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Russians aren't subject to U.S. courts. Russian interference in U.S. elections favoring Trump is a FACT. 

link?

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I not obsessed with US politics. That said it's also often said in Australia that when the US sneezes, Australia catches a cold. That's what gives me the right to comment when I'm not a US citizen, contrary to the inferences of some around here.

You don't need an excuse.

I'm interested in the politics of numerous countries.

Namely: the U.S. obviously, Thailand, China, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, U.K., Phillipines, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

Using laws from 1870 sums up how weak, pathetic and political these charges are. Really nasty stuff from left to keep power.

What's nasty is Trump's behavior to destroy American democracy. 

[bignok]

Just now, Jingthing said:

What's nasty is Trump's behavior to destroy American democracy. 

Except the opposite is true. The Democrats are trying to cancel out their main threat. Using 1870 laws mind you. It's pathetic.

[Jingthing]

Just now, bignok said:

Except the opposite is true. The Democrats are trying to cancel out their main threat. Using 1870 laws mind you. It's pathetic.

You're buying all the Trumpist lies wholesale. There is no basis of discussion possible in this case. 

[CharlieKo]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Russians aren't subject to U.S. courts. Russian interference in U.S. elections favoring Trump is a FACT. 

Russian Victor Bout. If memory serves, extradited from Thailand to USA for arms dealing. Later exchanged for a Trans athlete!