Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

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2 hours ago, bignok said:

Yes covid spending. Obviously.

False. 

 

"President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=3b3d7b814819

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Other G7 economies have experienced a similar situation. Yet the US is leading by far for GDP growth compared to pre-pandemic level, has a record low unemployment, and now the lowest inflation in G7.

USA has Apple, Telsa etc. Nothing to do with Biden.

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4 minutes ago, bignok said:

Claimed Russia rigged it for 3 years. You must have been in a cave for 3 years.

False, The Democrats did not claim that the Russians rigged the elections. They did claim, which is the truth, that Russia spearheaded a massive disinformation campaign and broke into the servers of the Democratic party.

Four things to know about Russia's 2016 misinformation campaign

https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/apr/04/four-things-know-about-russias-2016-misinformation/

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

False. 

 

"President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=3b3d7b814819

Irrelevant. The forecast was obviously wrong anyway.

[bignok]

The annual inflation rate in the US slowed to 3% in June of 2023, the lowest since March of 2021 and compared to 4% in May and expectations of 3.1%. The slowdown is partly due to a high base effect from last year when a surge in energy and food prices pushed the headline inflation rate to 1981-highs of 9.1%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Irrelevant. The forecast was obviously wrong anyway.

irrelevant to what? The fact that deficits increased under Trump? And you think that the people who made this prediction should have foreseen that because there was going to be a  Covid pandemic their projections should have been higher?

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Just now, placeholder said:

irrelevant to what? The fact that deficits increased under Trump? And you think that the people who made this prediction should have foreseen that because there was going to be a  Covid pandemic their projections should have been higher?

Irrelevant to the post you responded to from Big Bird concerning Covid spending.

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1 minute ago, bignok said:

The annual inflation rate in the US slowed to 3% in June of 2023, the lowest since March of 2021 and compared to 4% in May and expectations of 3.1%. The slowdown is partly due to a high base effect from last year when a surge in energy and food prices pushed the headline inflation rate to 1981-highs of 9.1%

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

Right wingers and most right wing economists were predicting continued high inflation. If anything, the inflation rate is still exaggerated because of the way shelter costs are computed in the usa.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

6 minutes ago, bignok said:

Could be. Im wondering why expats in Bangkok, CM and Pattaya are obsessed with Trump so much. 

You say that as though you are an outsider looking in but then keep posting pro Trump stuff so which is it - neutral observer or determined Trump fan 

[bignok]

Just now, Fat is a type of crazy said:

You say that as though you are an outsider looking in but then keep posting pro Trump stuff so which is it - neutral observer or determined Trump fan 

Im neutral.

[nauseus]

Just now, bignok said:

Whats wrong with them? 

Nothing, if you like Trump haters, I suppose.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Irrelevant to the post you responded to from Big Bird concerning Covid spending.

What? Big Bird claimed that the jump in deficits was due to Covid spending. The article I cited relates to the 3 years before covid hit. And it showed rapidly increasing deficits. So no, the increase in deficits was ongoing before the Covid pandemic. Is that clear now?

Edited August 4, 2023 by placeholder

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4 minutes ago, bignok said:

Im neutral.

Yet I caught you out in a massive falsehood about Trump and the deficit.

[candide]

14 minutes ago, bignok said:

USA has Apple, Telsa etc. Nothing to do with Biden.

USA had them before Covid.

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12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Nothing, if you like Trump haters, I suppose.

 

 

Plenty to hate about that corrupt, dumb POS........so not unwarranted!

[ozimoron]

8 hours ago, Keep Right said:

Maybe so, but we still had old sleepy Joe in the 80s and you know how bad that turned out.

4 decades of being re-elected to the senate.

 

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

It's actually less but what's a trillion here and there?

Don't ever complain bout the foreign debt.

 

2 hours ago, James Roderick said:

Didn't Bill Clinton do something similar - does the name Lewinski ring a bell!!

 

It was either fine for both of them or bad for both of them, which is it?

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23 minutes ago, bignok said:

Could be. Im wondering why expats in Bangkok, CM and Pattaya are obsessed with Trump so much. 

How do you know that..............?  ????

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What, Big Bird claimed that the jump in deficits was due to Covid spending. The article I cited relates to the 3 years before covid hit. And it showed rapidly increasing deficits. So no, the increase in deficits was ongoing before the Covid pandemic. Is that clear now?

Any increases then were not "rapid" or of any scale not seen before.

 

Obama post GFC deficits were all 1.5 - 1.1T+ until 2012. Trump's were never >1T pre Covid.

 

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/

[Walker88]

 

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Any increases then were not "rapid" or of any scale not seen before.

 

Obama post GFC deficits were all 1.5 - 1.1T+ until 2012. Trump's were never >1T pre Covid.

 

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/

The real deficit includes off the book measures, such as dipping into the Social Security Fund or Military pensions.

 

Admittedly that began under Clinton, but many organizations account for it and issue the numbers of real new debt.

 

That is why the trump number is $7,800,000,000,000.

 

When he came into office total National Debt accumulated over 240 years was $19.3 trillion. When he was soundly beaten and booted out, it stood at $27.1 trillion.

Edited August 4, 2023 by Walker88

[tilaceer]

50 minutes ago, bignok said:

Average topic 30 replies. Trump topic 500+ replies.

 

 

It would not be surprising that the large number of comments in a Trump article

could be due to the fact that the Trumper/Maga/Qanon/Sovcits members continually post

such bizarre trolling posts, conspiracy theories, opinions posing as facts, deflections and

and “whatabout” Biden posts, that the more informed feels obliged to offer detailed lucid responses pointing out their misconceptions. But, it doesn’t stop there, because when the medication kicks in on another Trumper, they rinse and repeat and off we go again.

imop

Edited August 4, 2023 by tilaceer

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8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Any increases then were not "rapid" or of any scale not seen before.

 

Obama post GFC deficits were all 1.5 - 1.1T+ until 2012. Trump's were never >1T pre Covid.

 

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/

An increasse of 74% before covid isn't rapid? hmmmm.

 

Before you claimed that it's not fair to include Trump's covid deficit. But on the other you believe that it is fair to include Obama's deficits which occurred  after he inherited a U.S. economy rocked by the biggest shock to the world's economy since the Great Depression. Double standards much"

[ozimoron]

52 minutes ago, bignok said:

Average topic 30 replies. Trump topic 500+ replies.

Not surprising. Historic criminality by a US president and first traitor president in history.

[metisdead]

Troll posts of a various nature have been removed.

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2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

An increasse of 74% before covid isn't rapid? hmmmm.

 

Before you claimed that it's not fair to include Trump's covid deficit. But on the other you believe that it is fair to include Obama's deficits which occurred  after he inherited a U.S. economy rocked by the biggest shock to the world's economy since the Great Depression. Double standards much"

Where does your 74% come from?

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

I did like a lot of things Trump achieved. No new wars was his best result. I saw the J6 riot as an opportunity taken by a small group of nutcases that realized the the Capitol was poorly protected, despite warnings of trouble in the lead-up. I don't believe that any violence was premeditated by Trump, at least.  

Despite various pleas, Trump did nothing to help the people besieged in the Capitol but instead watch events unfold. He later denied that he sat and watched even though many present in the White House with him testified that he did.

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Where does your 74% come from?

"President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=3b3d7b814819

Edited August 4, 2023 by metisdead
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3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

To wit

 

I think you've cracked it Jingthing.......let me explain:-

 

All the while we've been conversing/debating/communicating with trump supporters on these threads, when this video clip shows us what we are up against.

 

There is absolutely no use in trying to debate with trumpies especially if those in this clip are indicative of what we rational, sane, intelligent people are up against, because they are beyond hope and don't seem to have the intelligence of a pickled squid. So quoting facts and figures at them is something they won't comprehend, as we've seen from many posts.

 

In this video clip, the trumpies are along the lines of a human subset, not yet fully formed in the grey matter area, or the understanding of the difference between right and wrong and truth and lies.

 

The doozy has to be the trumpie stating that he likes the orange crook because he doesn't tell lies!!!! Now what planet do you suspect this guy comes from?
 

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1 hour ago, placeholder said:

"President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=3b3d7b814819

I can't read this link. The US economy continued to grow.

 

I assume that you are directly comparing '15 straight to '19. Carry on.

[Danderman123]

Those trying to "help" Trump by offering really stupid defenses aren't doing him any favors.

 

One of his attorneys admitted on camera that Trump asked Pence to delay certification for 10 days because reasons. Trying to block a Federal process is a felony.

[candide]

Who will be the first to flip?

https://news.yahoo.com/flip-why-six-people-cited-040111912.html

Will they flip? Why the six people cited in Trump's indictment pose a threat to him