'You're kind of raised to hate tourists': Maui fires fan tensions on Hawaiian island

[Hawaiian]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for mentioning Grassroots Hawaii, an extreme rightwing libertarian organization:

 

"The organization's stated mission is to "educate people about the values of individual liberty, economic freedom, and accountable government."[5] It promotes free market values and produces research on subjects like the Jones Act and pension issues. The organization is a member of the State Policy Network, a conservative and libertarian network of state-based think tanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroot_Institute_of_Hawaii

 

Grassroot Institute of Hawaii is a member of the State Policy Network....Although SPN's member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, the Center for Media and Democracy's in-depth investigation, "EXPOSED: The State Policy Network -- The Powerful Right-Wing Network Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government," reveals that SPN and its member think tanks are major drivers of the right-wing, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)-backed corporate agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders.[8]...

The Grassroot Institute of Hawaii has hosted writers from the ALEC-connected Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, which screens potential reporters on their “free market” views as part of the job application process.[11] 

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Grassroot_Institute_of_Hawaii

So!

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On 8/18/2023 at 3:22 PM, Hawaiian said:

A large percentage of the hospitality workforce are immigrants from the Philippines who continually sponsor their relatives to also immigrate to Hawaii. 

You're right about the pay.  That is why many have of them work at more than one job.  Unionized hotel workers starting pay is from $22 to $27 an hour.  Skilled "engineering" positions are in the $35 an hour range.  With overtime and tips some in housekeeping can make as much as $70,000 a year or more. 

Cost of Living in Hawaii in 2023

According to a study by the Missouri Economic Research and Information Center in 2019, Hawaii has the highest cost of living in the nation with an index of 191.8. The national average index was set at 100 and Hawaii absolutely crushed it with the closest 2nd being the District of Columbia at an index of 159.

https://www.dwellhawaii.com/blog/cost-of-living-in-hawaii/

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2 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

So!

It's an organization with a political axe to grind.

It receives most of its money from conservative sources. So it's only a grassroots organization,  if that grass is astroturf.

[Hawaiian]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's an organization with a political axe to grind.

It receives most of its money from conservative sources. So it's only a grassroots organization,  if that grass is astroturf.

I also have a political axe to grind.  In 1954, the Democrat Party came to power in Hawaii.  They have become the party of corruption.  In the past few years the feds have been prosecuting dirty politicians and government officials  that Hawaii's AGs have refused to do. 

Since being elected a trustee of the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, Keli'i Akina has exposed a lot of corruption and graft in the organization and continues to do so. He just happens to be the President and CEO of Grassroots.  I don't care if he is a right wing Libertarian.  At least he has the you-know-what to do something few people in Hawaii are willing to do.

If you haven't already done so, read Land and Power in Hawaii by George Cooper and Gavan Daws.  I lived and experienced much of what was written.

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8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I also have a political axe to grind.  In 1954, the Democrat Party came to power in Hawaii.  They have become the party of corruption.  In the past few years the feds have been prosecuting dirty politicians and government officials  that Hawaii's AGs have refused to do. 

Since being elected a trustee of the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, Keli'i Akina has exposed a lot of corruption and graft in the organization and continues to do so. He just happens to be the President and CEO of Grassroots.  I don't care if he is a right wing Libertarian.  At least he has the you-know-what to do something few people in Hawaii are willing to do.

If you haven't already done so, read Land and Power in Hawaii by George Cooper and Gavan Daws.  I lived and experienced much of what was written.

I have no doubt that elected officials played a big role in selling out native Hawaiians. How does this not support the fact that their welfare hasn been betrayed by selling them out to the highest bidders?

[Hawaiian]

On 8/15/2023 at 3:14 PM, Tug said:

A fully understandable opinion I’m my personal opinion having tourists wall to wall underfoot day after day year after year sucks now you tourists it’s time to earn your way back into the locals good graces by doing the right thing help out or preferably leave till you aren’t such a burden 

https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/visitors-implored-to-come-back-as-maui-job-cuts/

[BritManToo]

On 8/16/2023 at 3:45 PM, Tropposurfer said:

How could anyone object to, or find offensive, land prices being driven so high the native people cannot afford to live,

Same for everyone all over the world.

I couldn't afford to live in London because all the foreigners have driven up the prices.

Then I moved to Cornwall where the locals couldn't afford homes because of people like me moving in.

[Hawaiian]

On 8/15/2023 at 10:45 PM, Tropposurfer said:

How dare these 'uncivilised' island people dare resent the great white culture!

 

How ungrateful!

 

They should be grateful they were gifted by the invasion, grateful for their subjugation, humbly thankful for the disenfranchisement of their idyllic utopian culture.

I mean look at what the white man did to Waikiki - such 'progress'.

 

How could anyone object to, or find offensive, land prices being driven so high the native people cannot afford to live, loud mouthed (and please don't tell me Yanks aren't, arguably THE loudest most obnoxious tourists to be found), arrogant mainlanders tramping about, demanding as they go.

 

Idyllic utopian culture?  Not so,  according to history and stories from my grandparents and others.  Same as today, only the alii (elite) had it good.  Ever heard of the kapu system based on the ancient Hawaiian religion? 

[KhunLA]

I'm not Thai, and the effect of all the tourist drive my crazy, if I bother to think about it.

 

Can't imagine being native Hawaiian and having to deal with all the howlies, especially if not working in the tourist industry.

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I'm not Thai, and the effect of all the tourist drive my crazy, if I bother to think about it.

 

Can't imagine being native Hawaiian and having to deal with all the howlies, especially if not working in the tourist industry.

Like any business, customers come in all shapes, sizes and attitudes.  The majority of tourists that I have met are polite and courteous.  It's the rude jerks that turn off the locals.

I have been visiting Thailand once or twice a year for over twenty years.

I have been to more than 40 provinces and everyone has been nice to me. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Hawaiian
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[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Like any business, customers come in all shapes, sizes and attitudes.  The majority of tourists that I have met are polite and courteous.  It's the rude jerks that turn off the locals.

It's the actual numbers of, and how they drive up the cost of living in tourist areas.  Not only for those living there, but for domestic tourists.

 

Planning an O&A, and the hotel prices at Krung Thep are just getting silly.

 

Not to mention the strain on the already lacking infrastructure, and damage to natural environment so the tourist have access to the beauty, while ruining it in the process.

[Hawaiian]

58 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

It's the actual numbers of, and how they drive up the cost of living in tourist areas.  Not only for those living there, but for domestic tourists.

 

Planning an O&A, and the hotel prices at Krung Thep are just getting silly.

 

Not to mention the strain on the already lacking infrastructure, and damage to natural environment so the tourist have access to the beauty, while ruining it in the process.

Maya Bay in Krabi and Haunama Bay on Oahu are two examples of what can be done to protect these popular hot spots.