Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said: Time people realised the agent doesn't deposit 800k in bank and then draw it out anymore. Bangkok Bank takes a bribe to issue a false letter stating 800k in bank for 3 months. So not immigration fraud, but bank fraud Time that you stop posting over-generalised nonsense. Those who provide their passbooks to agents that then show the 800k being deposited are receiving the funds. Bangkok Bank is not the only bank that applicants can use and the use of an agent certainly is not bank fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Lemsta69 said: If you go down this route then you need to be aware of the implications of what you're doing. If you don't understand the nuances then maybe it's not for you Disregarding opinions of whether using an agent is legal or not, "implications and nuances" such as what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, brianthainess said: 2 hours ago, jaywalker2 said: Throw in another 5000 for the bank account. Don't forget the 5k 'insurance' scam. ...that doesn't exist when using an agent. But, even if a policy is bought from the bank it is not "a scam", they sell real policies. Edited August 16, 2023 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya57 Posted August 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Time that you stop posting over-generalised nonsense. Those who provide their passbooks to agents that then show the 800k being deposited are receiving the funds. Bangkok Bank is not the only bank that applicants can use and the use of an agent certainly is not bank fraud. What are you arguing, agent transferring 800k into bank account for 1 minute to get visa is legit? It's fraud and should be picked up on extension as not being in bank for 2 months as required by law Edited August 16, 2023 by Pattaya57 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 As mentioned in my previous post, I consider the whole set-up a bribe if the IMM guy receives more than 1900 baht for an extension. 'Plausible deniability' makes no difference. I can't help how other people choose to look at it and I am on no crusade to make things any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said: But immigration law requires 800k in bank for 2 months prior to issue of 12 month extension to non-imm O, how do they do that if agent transfer in and out 800k same day.. IOs officially have discretion when it comes to issuing extensions, that's how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said: I call BS, 3 of my friends used an agent and no money was transferred to their account. Bangkok Bank did issue a letter saying 800k baht in bank for 3 months though so immigration stamped as they met financial requirements i call BS on your post, usually the letter only states the balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said: only Bangkok Bank do now Bangkok Bank is not the only bank that can be used with the services of an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya57 Posted August 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: IOs officially have discretion when it comes to issuing extensions, that's how. Yeah, discretion is linked to how much bribe they receive 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: Bangkok Bank is not the only bank that can be used with the services of an agent. which are banks in Pattaya? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said: You will be bribing an immigration officer to get an extension because you don't match the requirements. No, the OP will not be doing that. Factually, the OP will be paying an agent his fee for his assistance. No one who uses this type of agent's service has any involvement with any IO at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, charleskerins said: 1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said: You will be bribing an immigration officer to get an extension because you don't match the requirements. What is legit about that? I’m not bribing anyone- I don’t speak Thai Even if you did speak Thai you still wouldn't be bribing anyone, you're just paying an agent his fee and how he gets the extension is his business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said: It does effect what I do. Because of agents using fake money to get visa they introduced rules that require 800k in bank for 2 months prior to application + 3 months after. But only people not using an agent have to do this True, the people doing it via bribes and corruption has definitely made things worse for those doing things legally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: 8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Bangkok Bank is not the only bank that can be used with the services of an agent. which are banks in Pattaya? No idea, I didn't say anything about Pattaya in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: Even if you did speak Thai you still wouldn't be bribing anyone, you're just paying an agent his fee and how he gets the extension is his business. the biggest fee goes to Immigration don't kid yourself it's the agent 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: Even if you did speak Thai you still wouldn't be bribing anyone, you're just paying an agent his fee and how he gets the extension is his business. Plausible deniability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: No idea, I didn't say anything about Pattaya in particular. I'll confirm for you, in Pattaya it's only Bangkok Bank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 Just now, scubascuba3 said: 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Even if you did speak Thai you still wouldn't be bribing anyone, you're just paying an agent his fee and how he gets the extension is his business. the biggest fee goes to Immigration don't kid yourself it's the agent I'm not kidding myself. The applicant is not bribing anyone, don't kid yourself about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: I'm not kidding myself. The applicant is not bribing anyone, don't kid yourself about that. I didn't mention bribing, you did, we are talking fees, Immigration gets far more than the agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said: 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: No idea, I didn't say anything about Pattaya in particular. I'll confirm for you, in Pattaya it's only Bangkok Bank I'll take your word for that. Just to confirm, you're stating that Pattaya Immigration officers will only issue 'money in the bank' extensions if the money is in BBL, yes, no other banks are considered? IOs in Pattaya will deny any extensions for applicants with their money in other Thai banks, really? I personally know people who get their extensions with their 800k in BBL, Kasikorn, KTB and UOBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said: What are you arguing, agent transferring 800k into bank account for 1 minute to get visa is legit? It's fraud and should be picked up on extension as not being in bank for 2 months as required by law Are you arguing that IOs do not have discretion when it comes to issuing extensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, charleskerins said: So when I return to America and deposit the 800k thb in my Bangkok bank account and leave it in the account I will still need an agent for the second year renewal??? Yes. You use an agent. Funds in/out of your bank account. You say going back to USA and deposit 800k into your Thai bank account. At some point return to Thailand and prior to expiry of your extension you attend immigration yourself and not use an agent. The very first thing the immigration officer wants to see your bank records. May be as simple as looking at your bank book pages or some offices want bank statements. They will look and every monthly balance back to previous extension and check if requirements were adhered to. Result: No extension granted. Also you would need to obtain new non O. BTW: remember to obtain a reentry permit prior to exit from Thailand. Edited August 16, 2023 by DrJack54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, DrJack54 said: OP, if the 35k price includes 1. Obtain bank a/c 2. Obtain non O retirement (without you depositing 800k into the a/c) 3. Obtain 12 month extension based on retirement. Then yes 35k not ridiculous Especially for an application in Bangkok which could not be achieved at all a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: I'll take your word for that. Just to confirm, you're stating that Pattaya Immigration officers will only issue 'money in the bank' extensions if the money is in BBL, yes, no other banks are considered? IOs in Pattaya will deny any extensions for applicants with their money in other Thai banks, really? I personally know people who get their extensions with their 800k in BBL, Kasikorn, KTB and UOBT. We, all this thread have been talking about 800k in out which in Pattaya is only Bangkok Bank, not sure why you're talking about something else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya57 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Are you arguing that IOs do not have discretion when it comes to issuing extensions? No argument, IO's have discretion depending how much agent bribes them to overlook financial rules to get your Non-imm O visa and/or 12 month extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted August 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2023 The subject raised in this thread has been discussed ad infinitum in this forum. After allowing everyone to express their deeply held convictions, it is time to close the thread, and save everyone the effort of meaningless arguments. CLOSED 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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