Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

All you are saying is that you are incapable of answering the question. Because its outside the bounds of your programming.

I haven't been "programmed" to take an interest in other people weight and I have no interest in how much our Dear leader weighs or how much our Dear Leader says he weighs .

   Same goes for all people and not just our Dear Leader , like I am not bothered about Vladimir Putin and how  much he weighs .

   Maybe you need to question why you take such an interest in our Dear Leader (and his weight)?

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

Interesting, this co defendant apparently couldn't raise the money. Is the big guy going to help out?

 

Trump co-defendant denied bond, held in jail 

One of the defendants in the Georgia election fraud racketeering case was denied bail on Friday and will now remain at the Fulton County Jail pending further proceedings.

Prosecutors allege Floyd harassed and pressured a Georgia poll worker over false election fraud claims.

Floyd represented himself and was the only one of the case’s 19 defendants not to organize a bond agreement with state prosecutors before turning himself in.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4172605-trump-co-defendant-denied-bond-held-in-jail/

[pacovl46]

14 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

No, that popularity nonsense was recently debunked. That's Fox NOT-news rhetoric. Ya boy'z going DOWN.

All the way to the pits of hell, I hope! 

[Stargeezr]

I will be happy when I see pictures of Donald Trump wearing prison orange,  or pink if he goes to Arizona.

  He is one criminal that deserves jail time, I am not surprised that he has so many followers though, in America

and other places many people follow other bad people. Jim Jones, etc.

[pomchop]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you should wait for the court case to prove the documents Trump has are actually classified. So far it's only claims by the usual anti Trumpers.

Remember, Trump is innocent till PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

Wow so you seem to think that the national archives, the fbi, the doj and trump himself  all just made up the idea that classified docs were in trumps possession............did u listen to dear leader on tape bragging about having classified docs in his hand and saying "i could have declassified but now i cannot"....getting kinda dark down in the rabbit hole?

[jerrymahoney]

4 hours ago, pomchop said:

Wow so you seem to think that the national archives, the fbi, the doj and trump himself  all just made up the idea that classified docs were in trumps possession............did u listen to dear leader on tape bragging about having classified docs in his hand and saying "i could have declassified but now i cannot"....getting kinda dark down in the rabbit hole?

REDUX

 

Opinion
Trying Trump under the Espionage Act will be trickier than you think
June 21, 2023 at 7:15 a.m. EDT
 

Baruch Weiss, a former federal prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York, is a partner at Arnold & Porter and a criminal defense lawyer who handles Espionage Act cases.

 

The charges in the indictment against Donald Trump might seem simple: Trump finished his term as president, became an ordinary citizen, yet retained 31 classified documents that, under the Espionage Act, he should have returned to the government upon demand. He compounded his wrongdoing by lying and obstructing.

 

But as a former federal prosecutor and a defense attorney who has handled Espionage Act cases, I can tell you that prosecutions under that law are tricky. And Trump’s will be extraordinarily so.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/21/trump-prosecution-espionage-act-tricky/

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ

[pomchop]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

REDUX

 

Opinion
Trying Trump under the Espionage Act will be trickier than you think
June 21, 2023 at 7:15 a.m. EDT
 

Baruch Weiss, a former federal prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York, is a partner at Arnold & Porter and a criminal defense lawyer who handles Espionage Act cases.

 

The charges in the indictment against Donald Trump might seem simple: Trump finished his term as president, became an ordinary citizen, yet retained 31 classified documents that, under the Espionage Act, he should have returned to the government upon demand. He compounded his wrongdoing by lying and obstructing.

 

But as a former federal prosecutor and a defense attorney who has handled Espionage Act cases, I can tell you that prosecutions under that law are tricky. And Trump’s will be extraordinarily so.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/21/trump-prosecution-espionage-act-tricky/

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ

Interesting but there are plenty of other very experienced lawyers who say the obstruction is a slam dunk....my guess is out of 91 different felony charges that donnie will be convicted of several...and many of them have mandatory min sentences of 5 years so would only take a couple to lock him up for essentially life.

 

..of course we all know he will delay delay delay and then if found guilty will appeal appeal appeal in an attempt to drag it all out...it is my understanding though if u are convicted and sentenced of felony that u may well be incararated while your appeals are working their way up...otherwise i doubt any rich person with enough lawyers would ever actually go to jail as they would die first ....hopefully a few judges may actually get tired of the games and say enough with the motions lets go to trial.

 

oh happy day if i ever live long enough to not see or hear the name trump for a whole month or two...

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Interesting but there are plenty of other very experienced lawyers who say the obstruction is a slam dunk.

That is attorney Weiss's opinion based upon his experience as a Espionage Act Prosecutor and defense attorney.

 

You don't have to agree with it.

[pomchop]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

That is attorney Weiss's opinion based upon his experience as a Espionage Act Prosecutor and defense attorney.

 

You don't have to agree with it.

I certainly am no lawyer but of course have seen some very experienced lawyers with a different take..

 

I am curious to know if u are convicted of a felony and sentenced and want to appeal are u allowed to stay out of jail til all appeals are exhausted or do u have to sit in jail until if/when a repeal might reverse the conviction?  Maybe different if state or fed?  Anybody know for sure?

[jerrymahoney]

Federal law allows bail pending appeal for certain convictions if the judge is clearly convinced the defendant won't flee or harm someone and the appeal has a good chance of being successful. (18 U.S.C. § 3143.)

 

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-bail-while-i-appeal-conviction.html

 

and from that statute:

 

 

(B) that the appeal is not for the purpose of delay and raises a substantial question of law or fact likely to result in—
(i)reversal,
(ii)an order for a new trial,
(iii)a sentence that does not include a term of imprisonment, or
(iv)a reduced sentence to a term of imprisonment less than the total of the time already served plus the expected duration of the appeal process.

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[pomchop]

so it would appear to me that if trump were to be convicted of different felonies in different cases and wanted to appeal it all forever that each conviction would be treated differently and all it would take to keep him in jail on a fed conviction is a judge who rules the appeal is BS with little chance of winning...i assume below by judge that means the original trial court judge?

 

Convincing the judge that you’re likely to win your case and avoid jail time is often the most difficult part of getting out of prison while your federal criminal appeal is pending. You have to prove to the judge that the court got it wrong the first time. You have to provide a good reason for him or her to believe that when you appeal, you’ll win.

[jerrymahoney]

So in a nutshell: The appeal cannot be for frivolous reasons.

Edited August 26, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[HappyExpat57]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I haven't been "programmed" to take an interest in other people weight and I have no interest in how much our Dear leader weighs or how much our Dear Leader says he weighs .

   Same goes for all people and not just our Dear Leader , like I am not bothered about Vladimir Putin and how  much he weighs .

   Maybe you need to question why you take such an interest in our Dear Leader (and his weight)?

It's not the specific weight, it's the consistent LYING!

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

So in a nutshell: The appeal cannot be for frivolous reasons.

Unlike the original raft of charges then. Being unable to appeal nonsensical and novel legal moonshots sounds fitting for "justice" under the fascist biden regime. 

[HappyExpat57]

26 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Unlike the original raft of charges then. Being unable to appeal nonsensical and novel legal moonshots sounds fitting for "justice" under the fascist biden regime. 

To call it "the fascist Biden regime" exhibits total lack of being able to present a cogent argument. These are Fox NOT-news sound bites, dripping with venomous vitriol. This is why we can't have nice things.

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Unlike the original raft of charges then. Being unable to appeal nonsensical and novel legal moonshots sounds fitting for "justice" under the fascist biden regime. 

Whether the original charges are frivolous or not, they were properly executed by a grand jury. The results of the trial can be challenged if there was one or more constitutional rights denied.

 

And the jury instructions in a federal conspiracy case can be quite complex and can be challenged if not properly met by the jury.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just two in five Americans say these indictments are “witch hunts”. 

 

NEW POLL: Whopping 62% Say Trump ‘Committed a Crime’ In Poll Released Amid Mugshot Furor

More than three in five Americans believe that Donald Trump has committed a crime (net +32; 62 percent committed a crime – 30 percent did not commit a crime), including independents by 49 points (67 percent committed a crime – 18 percent did not), nine in ten Democrats (net +87; 92 percent committed a crime – 5 percent did not), and nearly three in ten Republicans (net -33; 28 percent committed a crime – 18 percent did not).

Roughly seven in ten Americans — including similar shares among independents — believe that the indictments brought so far against Trump are serious, and about 60 percent say the same about whether they are legitimate investigations compared to just two in five who say they are “witch hunts,” with little differentiation based on the charges asked about:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/new-poll-whopping-62-say-trump-committed-a-crime-in-poll-released-amid-mugshot-furor

[Bkk Brian]

This is particularly relevant due to the breaking news a few hours ago where Three Black people were killed in a hate-motivated shooting at a Dollar General retailer in Jacksonville, Florida.

 

How Trump’s attacks on prosecutors build on history of using racist language and stereotypes

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s aggressive response to his fourth criminal indictment in five months follows a strategy he has long used against legal and political opponents: relentless attacks, often infused with language that is either overtly racist or is coded in ways that appeal to racists.

The early Republican presidential front-runner has used terms such as “animal” and “rabid” to describe Black district attorneys. He has accused Black prosecutors of being “racist.” He has made unsupported claims about their personal lives. And on his social media platform, Truth Social, Trump has deployed terms that rhyme with racial slurs as some of his supporters post racist screeds about the same targets.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-race-georgia-indictment-new-york-prosecutors-04b69a8f3e4873eadb03c132cdee09c8?

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That is attorney Weiss's opinion based upon his experience as a Espionage Act Prosecutor and defense attorney.

 

You don't have to agree with it.

It is exactly that, an opinion. What's notable is that he didn't address the elephant in the room. Keeping classified documents isn't such as serious offense. Disseminating the information from them to people without security clearances is the actual offense of espionage rather than just retaining the documents.  And when those are nuclear secrets all the more egregious and easy to prove..

Edited August 27, 2023 by ozimoron

[jerrymahoney]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Disseminating the information from them to people without security clearances is the actual offense of espionage rather than just retaining the documents.

And you are certain that's what happened in the Bedminster incident or are you suggesting there are others?

 

"On the recording, according to two people familiar with its contents, Mr. Trump can be heard flipping through papers as he talks to a publisher and writer working on a book by his final White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows. Mr. Trump and the people in the meeting do not explicitly say what document the former president is holding."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/us/politics/trump-classified-document-fox-news.html

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

And you are certain that's what happened in the Bedminster incident or are you suggesting there are others?

 

"On the recording, according to two people familiar with its contents, Mr. Trump can be heard flipping through papers as he talks to a publisher and writer working on a book by his final White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows. Mr. Trump and the people in the meeting do not explicitly say what document the former president is holding."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/us/politics/trump-classified-document-fox-news.html

 

Count 32 of the indictment referrers to that document on the tape from Bedminster, Jack Smith has the document.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Count 32 of the indictment referrers to that document on the tape from Bedminster, Jack Smith has the document.

 

 

Yes Count 32 refers to an undated month-day-year document. So I guess those in the meetings musta changed their story.

Edited August 27, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Yes Count 32 refers to an undated document. So I guess those in the meetings musta changed their story.

Yes Count 32 refers to an undated document.

 

Yes I know and explained very well in the vid.

[jerrymahoney]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes Count 32 refers to an undated document.

 

Yes I know and explained very well in the vid.

Well OK it was not explained why people who said they didn't know what Trump showed them now know what Trump showed them.

Edited August 27, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well OK I don't it was explained why people who said they didn't know what Trump showed them now know.

I think Smith does lol

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

I agree. This is much more fun. I voted against Trump twice. How about you?

Never voted in my life why?

[jerrymahoney]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Never voted in my life why?

Because I am amused that at times I am referred to as a Trump sympathizer when I cast 2 votes against him by persons who didn't.

 

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19 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well OK it was not explained why people who said they didn't know what Trump showed them now know what Trump showed them.

Are you referring to the people Trump read to or to the justice department? If, to the justice department, then I suppose they can match up what Trump read to the text of the document.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

Because I am amused that at times I am referred to as a Trump sympathizer when I cast 2 votes against him by persons who didn't.

 

I've not one of those who has accused you though so all rather irrelevant to me.