Trump seeks to make the most of historic Georgia mugshot

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It hasn't been proven that the documents were classified or even important. Only have leaks to say so.

 

He hasn't been convicted of anything re "the plot to overthrow US democracy" so your assertion is just an opinion.

The evidence was shown to a grand jury selected from the public. They voted to indict.

[Sing_Sling]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The evidence was shown to a grand jury selected from the public. They voted to indict.

It seems more than obvious that they wouldn't do so unless they had grounds to do so, unless one is a conspiracy nutter.

[2baht]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:18 PM, ozimoron said:

He is going. He just picked up a monopoly card with the word GO on it.

Trump hangers on disgust me! Little intelligence needed to absorb the BS that sprouts from his mouth everytime he opens it!

[2baht]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:00 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Trump go!

Win the election and get payback!

Dont you think America is messed up enough already or do you need this moron to totally stuff it up???

[JCauto]

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Try referring to the post I quoted and stop deflecting. I wasn't talking about the GOP.

Oh My! You weren't referring to the GOP? Who then was the person whom you were referring to when you wrote this?

   
    On 8/26/2023 at 1:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

    Remember a certain president with his WMD untruths? Caused the deaths of many, unlike Trump, who never started any wars.

    So if one wants to talk about causing disgrace, look elsewhere.

 

WMD = Weapons of Mass Destruction. This was the Colin Powell presentation you're referring to that was critical to the justification of the US invasion of Iraq. Correct?

Are you really unaware of whom the President of the USA was during this episode and which political party he belongs to?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Oh My! You weren't referring to the GOP? Who then was the person whom you were referring to when you wrote this?

   
    On 8/26/2023 at 1:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

    Remember a certain president with his WMD untruths? Caused the deaths of many, unlike Trump, who never started any wars.

    So if one wants to talk about causing disgrace, look elsewhere.

 

WMD = Weapons of Mass Destruction. This was the Colin Powell presentation you're referring to that was critical to the justification of the US invasion of Iraq. Correct?

Are you really unaware of whom the President of the USA was during this episode and which political party he belongs to?

 

I referred to a specific individual as an example of someone worse, and what party he belonged to is irrelevant.

Carry on deflecting by all means though.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, 2baht said:

Dont you think America is messed up enough already or do you need this moron to totally stuff it up???

Can a country that elected the present POTUS possibly get any worse?

I doubt Trump can do any more damage than has been done already in the past 3 years.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Walker88 said:

All it will take for conviction is the first is FBI testimony stating what they found in his country club (the headings alone signify the classification level, and possible no material other than the visible headings need be made public, as that could threaten national security), and for the 6 January witnesses to testify and convince the jury that what they told the grand jury under oath is true.

Ah, the relevant words are "convince the jury that what they told the grand jury under oath is true". Give the sheannigans they have been getting up to in recent years if I were on the jury I would have a hard time believing anything an FBI witness said.

 

As for not needing to prove that the documents are actually classified or important, pull the other one. Are you seriously saying there is no need to know what is inside the folder with Top Secret written on it? Could be a laundry list for all anyone on the jury would know on that basis. If I were on the jury and asked to believe something "just because", I'd acquit on the basis of reasonable doubt.

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8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can a country that elected the present POTUS possibly get any worse?

I doubt Trump can do any more damage than has been done already in the past 3 years.

Can you share with us what damage has been done that's due to Joe Biden?

[thaibeachlovers]

Back on topic. Trump has made over $7 million selling things with the mugshot on them.

x 7,000,000

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mug-shot-campaign-fundraising/

Former President Donald Trump's mug shot appears to have helped his 2024 campaign rake in the cash. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, the relevant words are "convince the jury that what they told the grand jury under oath is true". Give the sheannigans they have been getting up to in recent years if I were on the jury I would have a hard time believing anything an FBI witness said.

 

As for not needing to prove that the documents are actually classified or important, pull the other one. Are you seriously saying there is no need to know what is inside the folder with Top Secret written on it? Could be a laundry list for all anyone on the jury would know on that basis. If I were on the jury and asked to believe something "just because", I'd acquit on the basis of reasonable doubt.

Could be a laundry list for all anyone on the jury would know on that basis. If I were on the jury and asked to believe something "just because", I'd acquit on the basis of reasonable doubt.

 

No not a laundry list but highly classified information as detailed below:

 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-are-the-classified-documents-in-the-trump-indictment

[Slip]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, the relevant words are "convince the jury that what they told the grand jury under oath is true". Give the sheannigans they have been getting up to in recent years if I were on the jury I would have a hard time believing anything an FBI witness said.

 

As for not needing to prove that the documents are actually classified or important, pull the other one. Are you seriously saying there is no need to know what is inside the folder with Top Secret written on it? Could be a laundry list for all anyone on the jury would know on that basis. If I were on the jury and asked to believe something "just because", I'd acquit on the basis of reasonable doubt.

There is no way you would be on such a jury.  You would be weeded out as having obvious bias (assuming you answered questions truthfully).

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/27/2023 at 1:48 PM, Walker88 said:

Speaking of hammers, 91 felony indictments....some of which at the State level carry a mandatory jail sentence of 5 years...are heading trump's way like a comet. The documents case is a slam dunk, as it is illegal to willfully and knowingly steal and hold classified documents in a non-SCIF. Also, having held TS/SCI for years and having had classification authority, I know full well the procedure for declassification. trump did not follow it, cannot 'declassify in his mind', and obviously lied about declassifying. As an ex-POTUS, he holds no security clearance and has as much right to keep and see US classified documents as putin, xi or the mullahs of Iran.

 

One wonders why those backing trump's spurious claim of declassification don't demand a full publication of each and every supposedly declassified document, so that putin, xi, the leadership of al Qaeda, the mullahs of Iran, etc., can enjoy reading them. Ms Lindsey? Can we see copies? I'm sure we'd all just love to know what penetrations the agency has of putin's inner circle, which would be in HCS documents trump stole (HCS=Human Clandestine Sources). It really makes one wonder why a country club owner and wedding planner needs such documents.

 

As for intelligence and literacy, support for trump automatically leads to suspicions that the person sits well left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve.

 

I fully agree that we do not share the same level of intelligence and literacy.

I guess the result of the court cases will be very interesting. There are no guarantees that the jury will agree with you, and they may well want more evidence than "he's guilty" to convict.

Then of course there are the inevitable appeals if he does actually get a conviction or two, and if a certain Republican becomes POTUS he may well get a pardon, and try again in 2028.

 

I reckon the media will be luvin him for many years to come, whatever happens.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Slip said:

There is no way you would be on such a jury.  You would be weeded out as having obvious bias (assuming you answered questions truthfully).

Which is why I used the word "if". Comprende?

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Could be a laundry list for all anyone on the jury would know on that basis. If I were on the jury and asked to believe something "just because", I'd acquit on the basis of reasonable doubt.

 

No not a laundry list but highly classified information as detailed below:

 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-are-the-classified-documents-in-the-trump-indictment

Actually this was updated with a new indictment to another document presented. #32 this is the one Trump talked about on the tape and admitted it was highly classified.

 

The new indictment brings the number of counts Trump faces for retaining national defense information to up 32, with prosecutors adding a new count to the 31 they previously brought for a classified document described by prosecutors as a top secret “presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country.”

Trump allegedly touted the document – which CNN previously reported related to Iran attack plans – in a taped July 2021 interview with biographers at his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/27/politics/takeaways-new-charges-trump-classified-documents/index.html

[Slip]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which is why I used the word "if". Comprende?

I comprehend that all your post managed to do is demonstrate once again your obvious bias.  You claim the basis would be 'reasonable doubt' but with your bias you are not qualified to make that assessment.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, Slip said:

I comprehend that all your post managed to do is demonstrate once again your obvious bias.  You claim the basis would be 'reasonable doubt' but with your bias you are not qualified to make that assessment.

Given I already agreed that I would never be on a Trump trial jury you are wasting pixels.

Perhaps you want to get your post count up, so carry on.

[Hummin]

56 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can a country that elected the present POTUS possibly get any worse?

I doubt Trump can do any more damage than has been done already in the past 3 years.

What exactly have gone wrong the last 3 years, that Trump would or could have avoided? Except for Kyiv being under Russians hands? 

 

What else would had been different? 

[Liverpool Lou]

On 8/27/2023 at 6:04 AM, Walker88 said:

---the one who is and acts like an adult, not the ever-whining crybaby fatboy loser

"crybaby fatboy loser"

 

Acts like an adult?   The irony!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 8/27/2023 at 4:46 AM, Tug said:

he’s managed to turn all those advantages he got in life to 91 felony’s

91 unproven felony accusations...no convictions yet.

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On 8/26/2023 at 7:58 PM, poyai111 said:

Let's see - consider the number of suspicious bank activity reports , the use of shell companies to launder said money, the wealth accumulation of Biden family members all of the above documented. In summary, a clear breach of rocla statute.

An SAR, Suspicious Activity Report, is filed by a bank. It has nothing to do any action taken by the Federal Govt. In fact, only 4 percent of such reports lead to any govt. attention and only a tiny fraction of them are used in prosecution. And then only as backup evidence, not to trigger an investigation.

 

While the wealth accumulation of Biden family members may possibly be suspect, as far as I'm aware, it is not a crime to have the last name of Biden. Where is the evidence to incriminate Joe Biden's wealth?

[2baht]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can a country that elected the present POTUS possibly get any worse?

I doubt Trump can do any more damage than has been done already in the past 3 years.

It's been on a downward slide for way more than 3 years!

[2baht]

On 8/26/2023 at 1:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Remember a certain president with his WMD untruths? Caused the deaths of many, unlike Trump, who never started any wars.

So if one wants to talk about causing disgrace, look elsewhere.

Nixon, Bushx2, Trump on one side of the fence, not much better offerings on the other side. But none make America look more stupid than Trump!

[Tug]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can a country that elected the present POTUS possibly get any worse?

I doubt Trump can do any more damage than has been done already in the past 3 years.

Just what are you referring to?perhaps it’s the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years?is it the fact that we are starting to get a handle on inflation?possibly we are finally doing something about infrastructure?is the lower drug prices for seniors?possibly the domestic manufacturing of computer chips?oh I know it must be the supporting of renewable energy?or how about standing tall for American ideals in support of Ukraine and the renaissance of nato?so in closing can you be more specific about the horrible wounding of the United States of America perpetrated by this administration?otherwise I cannot take you seriously and will just have to put this down as another spurious attack on America and democracy 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

What exactly have gone wrong the last 3 years, that Trump would or could have avoided? Except for Kyiv being under Russians hands? 

 

What else would had been different? 

While it's waaaaaay off topic you asked, so-

thousands of undocumented immigrants crossed the border causing huge amounts of un necessary cost to the taxpayer, and annoyed people in New York as the immigrants were sent there.

Many skilled workers on the XL pipeline lost their high paying jobs and oil from Canada continues to be imported by rail.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, 2baht said:

It's been on a downward slide for way more than 3 years!

On that we agree. Probably since Kennedy was assasinated.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, 2baht said:

Nixon, Bushx2, Trump on one side of the fence, not much better offerings on the other side. But none make America look more stupid than Trump!

IMO Bush the younger was the worst that none will equal. How many deaths are he responsible for?

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15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While it's waaaaaay off topic you asked, so-

thousands of undocumented immigrants crossed the border causing huge amounts of un necessary cost to the taxpayer, and annoyed people in New York as the immigrants were sent there.

Many skilled workers on the XL pipeline lost their high paying jobs and oil from Canada continues to be imported by rail.

It gets worse. The economy is at or near record low unimployment. The improved version of Obamacare has made medical care accessible to millions of Americans. Even though the US economy is growing at a healthy pace and GDP is greater than ever, total fossil fuel use has actually declined. Which poses a big threat to OPEC

https://www.statista.com/statistics/244429/us-fossil-fuel-energy-consumption-by-sector/

[Hummin]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While it's waaaaaay off topic you asked, so-

thousands of undocumented immigrants crossed the border causing huge amounts of un necessary cost to the taxpayer, and annoyed people in New York as the immigrants were sent there.

Many skilled workers on the XL pipeline lost their high paying jobs and oil from Canada continues to be imported by rail.

Im not so sure about the immigrants thing, because thats just food for one or the other side when it is election. 

 

When it comes to the pipeline, it not just a pipeline, it is a controversial pipe line affecting many people along it, especially for the natives who live in the area.

 

We will be depended on oil for decades to come, but still that pipeline carrying tar sand oil, is not going to help much for the environment as it is now. 

 

Work? All the big oilcompanies milking the work forces on minimum wages, threatening politicians and trying to get everything out of any possible situation as much as possible. 

 

Another discussion. Whatever man you have in front, it will be give and take, as it will be with Trump. Just his rhetoric in any matter is just hilarious and dangerous. And I cant understand intelligent people do not see whats behind the real trump! 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Hummin

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Im not so sure about the immigrants thing, because thats just food for one or the other side when it is election. 

 

When it comes to the pipeline, it not just a pipeline, it is a controversial pipe line affecting many people along it, especially for the natives who live in the area.

 

We will be depended on oil for decades to come, but still that pipeline carrying tar sand oil, is not going to help much for the environment as it is now. 

 

Work? All the big oilcompanies milking the work forces on minimum wages, threatening politicians and trying to get everything out of any possible situation as much as possible. 

 

Another discussion. Whatever man you have in front, it will be give and take, as it will be with Trump. Just his rhetoric in any matter is just hilarious and dangerous. And I cant understand intelligent people do not see whats behind the real trump! 

Had Trump been able to finish his wall many less undocumented immigrants would have been able to enter the US now.

 

Like it or not, without oil we would still be using horses and sailing ships. I'm grateful I grew up in a world where I am able to travel further than my village, and have a good life. All that is due to oil.

 

Yes, some bad people are running some of it, but IMO that's because the politicians are too gutless or too corrupt to do anything about that. I certainly can't change the world I live in, but it's better than what it would be like in a world without oil.