Thailand eyes growth in pink economy by attracting international LGBTQ+ retirees

[Longwood50]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Its painfully obvious that you're biased against LGBT people being visible in the world.

No Jingthing,  

I just don't find who someone chooses to share their genitals with to be particularly entertaining, fascinating, or worth social comment. Obviously you disagree.  47 posts on this article alone.  That is 5 times the person with the second number of posts. 

As I have repeatedly said, I find it very bizzare that for some reason LGTBQ are predisposed to wanting to share their regale in their lifestyle.  You see we heterosexuals do not suffer from that mental malady that thinks that others care about our sexual habits. 

As to my comment about the marketing outreach, I did so based purely on the economics of the idea.  If you spend millions in a special effort to attract LGTBQ  from purely an economic standpoint did you get a good return on your investment.  I suggest the equal amount of money spent to attract a much larger segment of the population makes more marketing sense. 

Your comment that nothing special is being offered is naive.  As said, you don't see similar marketing focuses to other groups based purely on their sexual orientation.  Your comment that somehow Puerta Vallarta is popular because it is a popular destination of gays is also a joke.  Do you know the difference between correlation and causation.  Puerto Vallarta has been a popular tourist destination for decades.  It has margaritas and senoritas.  Turning your argument around perhaps Puerto Vallarta is not at all popular because of the gay lifestyle but in spite of it. 

One only has to look at Target and Budweiser to see that being "woke" comes with peril that you alienate the large customer base. 

As I have repeatedly said, your constant posts on this singular subject suggest that it is not you who is trying to covince others of the LGTBQ lifestyle but rather convince yourself because you obviously are seeking public affirmation of it.  A peson confidant in their decisions and lifestyle does not need others to validate it for them. 

[Lolothai]

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

No Jingthing,  

I just don't find who someone chooses to share their genitals with to be particularly entertaining, fascinating, or worth social comment. Obviously you disagree.  47 posts on this article alone.  That is 5 times the person with the second number of posts. 

As I have repeatedly said, I find it very bizzare that for some reason LGTBQ are predisposed to wanting to share their regale in their lifestyle.  You see we heterosexuals do not suffer from that mental malady that thinks that others care about our sexual habits. 

As to my comment about the marketing outreach, I did so based purely on the economics of the idea.  If you spend millions in a special effort to attract LGTBQ  from purely an economic standpoint did you get a good return on your investment.  I suggest the equal amount of money spent to attract a much larger segment of the population makes more marketing sense. 

Your comment that nothing special is being offered is naive.  As said, you don't see similar marketing focuses to other groups based purely on their sexual orientation.  Your comment that somehow Puerta Vallarta is popular because it is a popular destination of gays is also a joke.  Do you know the difference between correlation and causation.  Puerto Vallarta has been a popular tourist destination for decades.  It has margaritas and senoritas.  Turning your argument around perhaps Puerto Vallarta is not at all popular because of the gay lifestyle but in spite of it. 

One only has to look at Target and Budweiser to see that being "woke" comes with peril that you alienate the large customer base. 

As I have repeatedly said, your constant posts on this singular subject suggest that it is not you who is trying to covince others of the LGTBQ lifestyle but rather convince yourself because you obviously are seeking public affirmation of it.  A peson confidant in their decisions and lifestyle does not need others to validate it for them. 

I agree with most of your points but "You see we heterosexuals do not suffer from that mental malady that thinks that others care about our sexual habits."

Here it's a bit hypocritical, until recent time we were not bothered from being heterosexual, homosexual however probably suffered socially from their sexual preference. They had to fight for their right to be gay. In general most people do care about others sexual habit.

I still feel that now even they are accepted some of them want more than this. (removed)

 

[Jingthing]

Thailand is on the right track welcoming LGBT retirees even more than they already have. It's a lucrative demographic and for any bigots that can't stand LGBT visibility Putin's Russia welcomes you to visit or stay permanently.

 

https://www.cabi.org/leisuretourism/mobile/news/25295

 

LGBT travel market valued at US$211 billion a year

Marketers urged to avoid stereotypes when targeting LGBT market

The global value of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender travel market has continued to grow and is now worth over USD$211 billion in LGBT consumer spending per year, according to research released for the first time at WTM London yesterday (8 November). New international research undertaken in 2016 from the LGBT2030 program by specialist consulting firm Out Now, carried out in 18 different markets, shows how spending has grown over the last 3 years. The top global market, worth about US$61 billion annually, is the USA, followed by Brazil with $26.4 billion. The global value of LGBT travel has increased by an average of 2% per annum over the last 3 years, with only Argentina and Italy (for economic reasons) showing a lower spend.

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lgbtq-tourism-market-worth-5685-billion-2031-travelgay

 

The LGBTQ+ Tourism Market is Worth $568.5 Billion by 2031

 

The LGBTQ+ tourism market is a rapidly growing segment of the global tourism industry. In 2022, the market was worth an estimated $420 billion, and it is projected to grow to $568.5 billion by 2031. This growth is being driven by a number of factors, including:

The increasing number of LGBTQ+ people traveling around the world.

The growing acceptance of LGBTQ+ people in society.

The increasing availability of LGBTQ+-friendly travel resources.

As the LGBTQ+ tourism market continues to grow, destinations and businesses around the world are increasingly recognizing the importance of catering to this market. This is leading to a number of positive developments, such as:

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[Longwood50]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

LGBT travel market valued at US$211 billion a year

As said all marketing dollars are expended.  There is "no extra" only an allocation. 

Jimthing, it is not that LGTBQ travel does not generate revenue.  The issue is whether expending limited marketing dollars to attract only a small portion of the population is a good return on investment or merely to appear WOKE. 

The LGTBQ community is small.  Take just China if the same amount of baht was expended to attract the Chinese vs LGTBQ would it raise more revenue.  You only have a certain budget to spend so from purely a business standpoint you want each marketing baht to reach the greatest number of people and most importantly be effective.  

I might expend marketing dollars in Monaco saying I wanted to attract a wealthier more affluent tourist to Thailand.  However if few if any came that baht was wasted.  

Personally if lets say I have 100 million baht to spend on attracting Thailand tourists I reasonable approach would be to focus on those areas geographically close to Thailand making it conventient.  Focus on socioecomic groups in those regions that match what Thailand has to offer.  Thailand is not Monaco nor is it Bangaladesch  I might focus on those who enjoy water or beach related activities since Thailand has those to offer.  However focusing a target market strictly because of how they use their genitals is ludicrous.  The LGTBQ community is throughout the world It is estimated to be 7.1% of the population of about 550 million people.  By contrast China, India, and Indonesia have a combined population of 3 billion people.  They are all geographically close and concentrated making marketing more effective. 

So while the LGTBQ community is not non existent.  In the scheme of things it is pointing the marketing baht at the mouse and not the elephant. 

Similarly, 11.4% of Thailand's GDP was generated by tourism, with a whopping 28.1% accounted for by Chinese spending.Jul 29, 2566 BE

 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

As said all marketing dollars are expended.  There is "no extra" only an allocation. 

Jimthing, it is not that LGTBQ travel does not generate revenue.  The issue is whether expending limited marketing dollars to attract only a small portion of the population is a good return on investment or merely to appear WOKE. 

The LGTBQ community is small.  Take just China if the same amount of baht was expended to attract the Chinese vs LGTBQ would it raise more revenue.  You only have a certain budget to spend so from purely a business standpoint you want each marketing baht to reach the greatest number of people and most importantly be effective.  

I might expend marketing dollars in Monaco saying I wanted to attract a wealthier more affluent tourist to Thailand.  However if few if any came that baht was wasted.  

Personally if lets say I have 100 million baht to spend on attracting Thailand tourists I reasonable approach would be to focus on those areas geographically close to Thailand making it conventient.  Focus on socioecomic groups in those regions that match what Thailand has to offer.  Thailand is not Monaco nor is it Bangaladesch  I might focus on those who enjoy water or beach related activities since Thailand has those to offer.  However focusing a target market strictly because of how they use their genitals is ludicrous.  The LGTBQ community is throughout the world It is estimated to be 7.1% of the population of about 550 million people.  By contrast China, India, and Indonesia have a combined population of 3 billion people.  They are all geographically close and concentrated making marketing more effective. 

So while the LGTBQ community is not non existent.  In the scheme of things it is pointing the marketing baht at the mouse and not the elephant. 

Similarly, 11.4% of Thailand's GDP was generated by tourism, with a whopping 28.1% accounted for by Chinese spending.Jul 29, 2566 BE

 

I have much more confidence in the business judgement of Thailand tourism authorities than your obviously biased argumentations.

Promoting LGBT tourism does not take away from promoting other identifiable segments such as Chinese.

LGBT is not "small" at all for international tourism, in the sense that LGBT people travel internationally at relatively very high rates, and as a generality they are spenders.

This is an international trend among more enlightened national tourism industries.

Those that object are on the wrong side of history.

Agree to disagree on this.

[CharlieH]

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[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

No Jingthing,  

I just don't find who someone chooses to share their genitals with to be particularly entertaining, fascinating, or worth social comment. Obviously you disagree.  47 posts on this article alone.  That is 5 times the person with the second number of posts. 

As I have repeatedly said, I find it very bizzare that for some reason LGTBQ are predisposed to wanting to share their regale in their lifestyle.  You see we heterosexuals do not suffer from that mental malady that thinks that others care about our sexual habits. 

As to my comment about the marketing outreach, I did so based purely on the economics of the idea.  If you spend millions in a special effort to attract LGTBQ  from purely an economic standpoint did you get a good return on your investment.  I suggest the equal amount of money spent to attract a much larger segment of the population makes more marketing sense. 

Your comment that nothing special is being offered is naive.  As said, you don't see similar marketing focuses to other groups based purely on their sexual orientation.  Your comment that somehow Puerta Vallarta is popular because it is a popular destination of gays is also a joke.  Do you know the difference between correlation and causation.  Puerto Vallarta has been a popular tourist destination for decades.  It has margaritas and senoritas.  Turning your argument around perhaps Puerto Vallarta is not at all popular because of the gay lifestyle but in spite of it. 

One only has to look at Target and Budweiser to see that being "woke" comes with peril that you alienate the large customer base. 

As I have repeatedly said, your constant posts on this singular subject suggest that it is not you who is trying to covince others of the LGTBQ lifestyle but rather convince yourself because you obviously are seeking public affirmation of it.  A peson confidant in their decisions and lifestyle does not need others to validate it for them. 

Share their genitals?!?

You are obviously posting extremist and inflammatory homophobic garbage.

You claim you are only analyzing this from an objective business POV.

That really can't be fooling anyone.

It's really sad that any LGBT topic attracts such extremist and vile hateful responses.

But that's the way it is, I suppose.

Also you have attacked me personally numerous times. The number of my posts is irrelevant. Counting posts is obnoxious.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[positivevibes]

On 9/11/2023 at 11:41 AM, Jingthing said:

They're not encouraging any behaviors. 

They are welcoming LGBT people to retire in Thailand as there are economic benefits to Thailand if more do so.

That said its unfortunate that you hold such a bigotted view.

It is unnatural and not normal.

 

I am just saying aloud what most decent people think.

[youngexpat]

DINK

 

Double Income No Kids

 

Seems like a pretty good market to target.

 

Given Thailands history as a sexual destination,  their is an ingrained a sense of laissez faire attitudes to whatever you get up to in the bedroom. So although thailand sadly still doesn't acknowledge gay marriage, it doesn't have a homophobic reputation.

 

also 7% of the worlds population is a pretty enormous demographic.

 

also straights follow the gays. Gays come first build nice bars, restaurants and cultural institutions and then straight people invade to take advantage. see greenwich village

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, positivevibes said:

It is unnatural and not normal.

 

I am just saying aloud what most decent people think.

Normal is a loaded word.

Being a red head is not normal in the sense that most people are not.

Unnatural? No, you're wrong about that.

Homosexuality has occurred throughout human history and can been seen in many non-human species as well. 

Yes I realize ignorant bigots say what you said. Not sure why you felt the need to though. Hardly decent. Fomenting hatred and punching down to often demonized minorities is the OPPOSITE of decent. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[quake]

That was a home run then. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, youngexpat said:

DINK

 

Double Income No Kids

 

Seems like a pretty good market to target.

 

Given Thailands history as a sexual destination,  their is an ingrained a sense of laissez faire attitudes to whatever you get up to in the bedroom. So although thailand sadly still doesn't acknowledge gay marriage, it doesn't have a homophobic reputation.

 

also 7% of the worlds population is a pretty enormous demographic.

 

also straights follow the gays. Gays come first build nice bars, restaurants and cultural institutions and then straight people invade to take advantage. see greenwich village

 

Yeah I meant to mention something similar before.

With many gay people whether resident or visiting/expats you get many wonderful businesses that wouldn't exist otherwise, that are available for everyone (with money of course) to enjoy.

Also supporting cultural events at way higher levels.

[youngexpat]

8 minutes ago, positivevibes said:

It is unnatural and not normal.

 

I am just saying aloud what most decent people think.

Thank you for providing conclusive proof that homophobia is still very much a real problem.

[Jingthing]

Just now, youngexpat said:

Thank you for providing conclusive proof that homophobia is still very much a real problem.

It always will be.

You can't legislate it away.

But like other evils, perhaps it's possible to reduce the harm that it does.

[Longwood50]

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Counting posts is obnoxious.

Oh really  I am merely pointing out that you have seem to be obsessed with a single issue.  

[positivevibes]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Normal is a loaded word.

Being a red head is not normal in the sense that most people are not.

Unnatural? No, you're wrong about that.

Homosexuality has occurred throughout human history and can been seen in many non-human species as well. 

Yes I realize ignorant bigots say what you said. Not sure why you felt the need to though. Hardly decent. Fomenting hatred and punching down to often demonized minorities is the OPPOSITE of decent. 

There is nothing normal about sticking your donger up another man's butt.

 

It is sick and depraved.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, positivevibes said:

There is nothing normal about sticking your donger up another man's butt.

 

It is sick and depraved.

Do you feel better now?

This level of hatred is not far from the surface for so many. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Oh really  I am merely pointing out that you have seem to be obsessed with a single issue.  

I call B.S.

Your obsession with personally attacking on so many posts (some appropriately deleted) is NOT OK.

Talk about the issues.

OK.

I or the volume of my posts are not the issues.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[Rimmer]

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[Longwood50]

59 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Promoting LGBT tourism does not take away from promoting other identifiable segments such as Chinese.

It is obvious that you were never in business or marketing.  A baht spent to attract one segment is a baht not spent to attract another.  I am merely pointing out as I did in my original comment, the idea to point specifically at the LGTBQ community is not for economic reasons it is to be seen as WOKE.  The marketing baht are not unlimited.  So if you spent lets say 50 million baht on a marketing campaign to attract LGTBQ I suggest you will have a lower repsonse and less economic benefit than if you spent the same 50 million baht targeting not a behavior but rather large population groups that are geographically close.  That sir is commons sense. 

Cruise lines have marketing campaigns targeted at gamblers Why?  They tend to be the most profitable.  Airlines have campaigns targeted to the business traveler Why?  They travel the most often, travel often in business class and are not price sensitive.  Toy manufacturers will do campaigns for groups known to have young children.  I worked for Merrill Lynch we targeted groups identified with large net worths and higher incomes. 

However when you target based on behavior, you should expect that what you will attract are people not necessarily with the best revenue potential but rather those that focus on that activity.  If you target backpackers for Thailand expect the people you are successful to come for the backpacking.  If Thailand was to start a gaming industry and target gamblers expect that since you selected them for their gambling they will come for the gambling.  If you target LGTBQ you are not targeting them for their income but rather their sexual orientation and it is naive to expect they would not come to Thailand seeking companionship no different than the single men have flocked to Thailand for years because of its night life, bars, and bar girls.  

My point to beat a dead horse is that targeting LGTBQ is not an economic decision it is to make a social advocacy statement.  Money spent to larger population groups and those regions geographically close to Thailand make far more sense.  That is not to say you don't welcome the LGTBQ traveler but you don't do an outreach to specifally attract them. One final point.  Thailand to broaden its appeal has tried to separate itself from its sex trade image.  It professes to want to broaden its appeal across many ages, and family groups.  I suggest that even if successful in attracting the LGTBQ community that then shaping the businesses that will cater to the LGTBQ lifestyle will be at variance to broadenings its appeal to the other 7.5 billion people on earth.  I can only give you one example.  In South Carolina they host a big biker week.  The areas is flooded with both recreational bikers and biker gangs.  Though they do come and spend money the economy suffers for the other tourists avoid the community during the festival. One only has to look at Budweiser and what happens to your base of customers when they feel slighted or uncomfortable. 

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

It is obvious that you were never in business or marketing.  A baht spent to attract one segment is a baht not spent to attract another.  I am merely pointing out as I did in my original comment, the idea to point specifically at the LGTBQ community is not for economic reasons it is to be seen as WOKE.  The marketing baht are not unlimited.  So if you spent lets say 50 million baht on a marketing campaign to attract LGTBQ I suggest you will have a lower repsonse and less economic benefit than if you spent the same 50 million baht targeting not a behavior but rather large population groups that are geographically close.  That sir is commons sense. 

Cruise lines have marketing campaigns targeted at gamblers Why?  They tend to be the most profitable.  Airlines have campaigns targeted to the business traveler Why?  They travel the most often, travel often in business class and are not price sensitive.  Toy manufacturers will do campaigns for groups known to have young children.  I worked for Merrill Lynch we targeted groups identified with large net worths and higher incomes. 

However when you target based on behavior, you should expect that what you will attract are people not necessarily with the best revenue potential but rather those that focus on that activity.  If you target backpackers for Thailand expect the people you are successful to come for the backpacking.  If Thailand was to start a gaming industry and target gamblers expect that since you selected them for their gambling they will come for the gambling.  If you target LGTBQ you are not targeting them for their income but rather their sexual orientation and it is naive to expect they would not come to Thailand seeking companionship no different than the single men have flocked to Thailand for years because of its night life, bars, and bar girls.  

My point to beat a dead horse is that targeting LGTBQ is not an economic decision it is to make a social advocacy statement.  Money spent to larger population groups and those regions geographically close to Thailand make far more sense.  That is not to say you don't welcome the LGTBQ traveler but you don't do an outreach to specifally attract them. One final point.  Thailand to broaden its appeal has tried to separate itself from its sex trade image.  It professes to want to broaden its appeal across many ages, and family groups.  I suggest that even if successful in attracting the LGTBQ community that then shaping the businesses that will cater to the LGTBQ lifestyle will be at variance to broadenings its appeal to the other 7.5 billion people on earth.  I can only give you one example.  In South Carolina they host a big biker week.  The areas is flooded with both recreational bikers and biker gangs.  Though they do come and spend money the economy suffers for the other tourists avoid the community during the festival. One only has to look at Budweiser and what happens to your base of customers when they feel slighted or uncomfortable. 

There it is. Again.

Total garbage anti LGBT rhetoric.

Marketing to LGBT people is not targeting behaviors.

It's targeting an identifiable segment of PEOPLE. 

Thailand doesn't give a fig about woke or also your western "anti-woke" agenda, which is largely a fascist movement led by Gov DeSantis who is interestingly dropping like lead in the polls. 

They are interested in tourism money.

LGBT PEOPLE are a fantastic source for that.

Thailand authorities think it's worth it to be welcoming to LGBT PEOPLE.

I think it's obviously worth it. You don't. But you're not fooling anyone that your business evaluation is objective. Your continued and very obvious anti LGBT loaded rhetoric gives that away to anyone paying attention.

But again. 

You've stated your position.

Agree to disagree.

I doubt the tourism people here would listen to your POV though.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[Longwood50]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

There it is. Again.

Total garbage anti LGBT rhetoric.

Marketing to LGBT people is not targeting behaviors.

Now what other than being LGTBQ is not a behavior.  

There is no other attribute that was mentioned other than being LGTBQ.  That is a behavior.  Not any different than being heterosexual is a behavior.  If you target gamblers that is a behavior.  If you target young people that is an age group.  If you target neighboring countries that is a geographic demographic.  

Now LGTBQ may have larger incomes but you are not targeting basded on income or net worth.  If you were doing that you would target the wealthy not based on sexual orientation. 

Anyway I hope you wake up someday and that not every waking moment is consumed with the singular obsession about being LGTBQ.  It apparently defines what your self image is of yourself. 

As I have repeatedly said, I am not saying not to welcome LGTBQ to Thailand I am saying that expending marketing dollars would be better spent targeting the neighboring countries that comprise almost half the worlds population.  A baht spent to attract an LGTBQ is a baht not spent attracting someone from China, India, or Indonesia.  I suggest you will get a better return on your marketing expenditures targeting those that are close not those who wish to come to Thailand for a hookup. 

PS you are now 5.6 times higher than the next highest poster regarding this subject. 

[Jingthing]

I won't include the previous post as it's yet another disgusting flame personal attack.

 

But some points.

 

LGBT is not behaviors.

It represents people and their identities.

 

Some LGBT people travel for sex and love adventures and some don't just as any other identifiable segment of people. Including nationalities.

 

Also the topic here is specifically LGBT retirees.. People's sex drives tend to lessen with age. LGBT people are people. 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[quake]

2 hours ago, positivevibes said:

It is unnatural and not normal.

 

I am just saying aloud what most decent people think.

That was a bit uncool man.

[Jai Dee]

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