UK: Met police request support from army after officers down firearms

[safarimike11]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Why....? ????

Go figure...

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

What are you on about....? 

Sorry, I was simply posting a statement from the Opening Post article that gives the reason why around 100 officers have refused their normal armed duty. “ in protest at the charging of their colleague with murder.”

 

which conflicts with your own statement “Around 100 armed officers have laid down their arms over they maybe charged with murder if they have to use firearms...”

 

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, safarimike11 said:

Go figure...

No, I am asking you because I don't understand what you are on about, try again....????

[safarimike11]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

No, I am asking you because I don't understand what you are on about, try again....????

Saddiq Khan for example.

[metisdead]

A troll post in violation of our Community Standards has been removed.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, safarimike11 said:

Saddiq Khan for example.

Forget it............

[safarimike11]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Forget it............

already done

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Looks like most of them are back on duty now:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66909729

Thanks for that linked article.

 

Here’s something interesting.

 

Over a period in which nationally armed officers were called out to 18395 incidents, only 10 resulted in police firing shots at a person.

 

That’s 0.054% of of armed officer call outs a shot was fired by police at a person. 
 

Basically the police almost never fire their weapons.

 

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry, I was simply posting a statement from the Opening Post article that gives the reason why around 100 officers have refused their normal armed duty. “ in protest at the charging of their colleague with murder.”

 

which conflicts with your own statement “Around 100 armed officers have laid down their arms over they maybe charged with murder if they have to use firearms...”

 

 

I imagine they withdrew from duty because they know exactly what happened that day, and know what a dangerous criminal that guy was, and therefore the danger the officers were confronted with.

Pulling the trigger is an incredibly hard decision to make under that sort of pressure. And now they could end up on a murder charge. 

 

This was a violent man with criminal history around guns. He took his own life when he decided to ram the police blockade. 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I imagine they withdrew from duty because they know exactly what happened that day, and know what a dangerous criminal that guy was, and therefore the danger the officers were confronted with.

Pulling the trigger is an incredibly hard decision to make under that sort of pressure. And now they could end up on a murder charge. 

 

This was a violent man with criminal history around guns. He took his own life when he decided to ram the police blockade. 

I doubt over 100 armed officers were  at the scene and don’t feel inclined to imagine they were.

 

The officer who shot him in the head took his life, it’s now to be determined by a court of law if he did so lawfully or not.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Always siding with the criminals.

What would be your opinion if a young Muslims Police officer shot dead a White Caucasian pensioner for not indicating when he turned left ?

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt over 100 armed officers were  at the scene and don’t feel inclined to imagine they were.

It wouldn't have taken long for word to get around - they didn't have to be there

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It wouldn't have taken long for word to get around - they didn't have to be there

That’s the best thing about imagined scenarios, they can be altered at will when their ridiculousness becomes apparent.

[JonnyF]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What would be your opinion if a young Muslims Police officer shot dead a White Caucasian pensioner for not indicating when he turned left ?

Not indicating when turning left is a bit different to intentionally ramming a police road block.

 

I'm not sure why you brought race into it. Baiting much? ????

[RichardColeman]

Absolute waste of time. He'll rightly be found not guilty - unless his 'peers' are all 18-25 year old black pot smoking, gun totting, gang affiliated, Drill rapping, unemployed county line thugs

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Absolute waste of time. He'll rightly be found not guilty - unless his 'peers' are all 18-25 year old black pot smoking, gun totting, gang affiliated, Drill rapping, unemployed county line thugs

Sadly, I wouldn't dismiss that possibility offhand...

[Burma Bill]

On 9/25/2023 at 8:28 AM, Social Media said:

on Sunday to ask the military for help.

The latest on this (today 26 September 2023)

 

The Army has been stood down from supporting the Metropolitan Police after hundreds of officers stepped back from firearms duties.

Soldiers were put on standby .......................... but the Met said on Monday that enough (police officers) had returned to duty.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66909729

[transam]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What would be your opinion if a young Muslims Police officer shot dead a White Caucasian pensioner for not indicating when he turned left ?

Daftest post of the week............

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

Daftest post of the week............

Have I upset you in some way ?

This last week you seem to have been following me around forums making snidey comments .

  What did I say that upset you ?

[transam]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Have I upset you in some way ?

This last week you seem to have been following me around forums making snidey comments .

  What did I say that upset you ?

You post and don't like my replies, shame, crack on "new" bloke.....

[kingstonkid]

On 9/25/2023 at 12:20 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Link?

https://www.ft.com/content/fb212733-5184-47a1-95ad-03fb4751362b

https://www.ft.com/content/fb212733-5184-47a1-95ad-03fb4751362b

According to the IOPC, the bullet was fired as officers attempted to “stop and contain” the vehicle being driven by Kaba. CPR was administered and the London Ambulance Service were called for additional support. Kaba, who was an expectant father, later died in hospital.

 

[nauseus]

On 9/25/2023 at 8:53 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt over 100 armed officers were  at the scene and don’t feel inclined to imagine they were.

 

The officer who shot him in the head took his life, it’s now to be determined by a court of law if he did so lawfully or not.

 

 

I'm sure over 100 armed officers were not at the scene but these smaller groups of firearms officers are and have to be in close contact with each other, via radio and other means. Other groups remote from the incident would have known about it almost immediately.

 

Yes, agree that justice needs to prevail.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/25/2023 at 11:24 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

Do you think that the Police should have the legal right to shoot people in the head and instantly kill them for driving offences (and the suspicion that they were involved in gun crimes) ?

If the suspect refuses to stop on police orders and there is sufficient evidence that the suspect is a danger to the public yes, absolutely.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If the suspect refuses to stop on police orders and there is sufficient evidence that the suspect is a danger to the public yes, absolutely.

What about those speeding on motorways ?

Have police snipers on motorway bridges shooting those driving over the speed limit ?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/26/2023 at 2:40 PM, JonnyF said:

Not indicating when turning left is a bit different to intentionally ramming a police road block.

 

I'm not sure why you brought race into it. Baiting much? ????

Does sound racist, IMO..

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What about those speeding on motorways ?

Have police snipers on motorway bridges shooting those driving over the speed limit ?

You are being ridiculous.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

https://www.ft.com/content/fb212733-5184-47a1-95ad-03fb4751362b

https://www.ft.com/content/fb212733-5184-47a1-95ad-03fb4751362b

According to the IOPC, the bullet was fired as officers attempted to “stop and contain” the vehicle being driven by Kaba. CPR was administered and the London Ambulance Service were called for additional support. Kaba, who was an expectant father, later died in hospital.

 

Don't see what being an "expectant father" has to do with it. Plenty of criminals are fathers, which is a shame.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does sound racist, IMO..

A guy with previous jail time for gun convictions, rams a police road block in a car that what used in a gun crime the previous day and it was all because he was black ????.