Trump co-defendant pleads guilty in Georgia election case

[jerrymahoney]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The wording of the statement by Meadows’ lawyer is interesting, not for what it says, but for what it doesn’t say.

 

It’s a long way from a categorical denial that Meadows has cut an immunity deal.

 

Why so reticent?

 

If an immunity deal hasn’t been cut just say so.

 

I’m sure Meadows doesn’t appreciate having a MAGA target pinned to his back by suspicion that he’s cooperating with Jack Smith against Trump.

 

 

Whatever Mr. Terwilliger might say or not say, as of this moment neither the NY Times nor the Washington Post have corroborated the ABC News story.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Whatever Mr. Terwilliger might say or not say, as of this moment neither the NY Times nor the Washington Post have corroborated the ABC News story.

Which has zero bearing on what Meadows’ lawyer chose to say and chose not to say.

[illisdean]

On 10/24/2023 at 6:15 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Prosecutors challenge the attempts of the defendants lawyers to delay the trial.

 

Is that complaining to teacher or is it Prosecutors pursuing timely justice?

 

Clearly Trump Wants his trials to run out past the election so that he doesn’t have to stand trial.

 

Clearly it’s in the prosecution’s interest to ensure that doesn’t happen.

 

My money is on Jack Smith.

Suggestion for all wannabe F L Bailey’s to start reviewing actual recent LEGAL FILINGS regarding the DC USA v Trump case, including:
(1) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS,

(2) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON STATUTORY GROUNDS,

(3) Trump’s MOTION TO STRIKE INFLAMMATORY ALLEGATIONS FROM THE INDICTMENT,

(4) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS FOR SELECTIVE AND VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/

They are all VERY solid Motions, and you can expect each of them to be granted, if the judge feels like doing her JOB. If not, I see the Appeal as being a winner, whether in the Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.

 

Jack Smith is a  hack lawyer who gets overturned  frequently.
https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

 

CNN Inadvertently Reveals New Special Counsel Jack Smith as a Partisan Hack
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/11/20/cnn-inadvertently-reveals-new-special-counsel-jack-smith-partisan

 

If you bet on Smith, you should just burn your money now.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

{crazy stuff deleted}

Are you on drugs?

 

Anyway, here's an opposing view:

 

https://abovethelaw.com/2023/10/trump-flings-flaming-bags-of-dog<deleted>-pretending-to-be-legal-motions-at-dc-judge/

Edited October 25, 2023 by Danderman123

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Suggestion for all wannabe F L Bailey’s to start reviewing actual recent LEGAL FILINGS regarding the DC USA v Trump case, including:
(1) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS,

(2) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON STATUTORY GROUNDS,

(3) Trump’s MOTION TO STRIKE INFLAMMATORY ALLEGATIONS FROM THE INDICTMENT,

(4) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS FOR SELECTIVE AND VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/

They are all VERY solid Motions, and you can expect each of them to be granted, if the judge feels like doing her JOB. If not, I see the Appeal as being a winner, whether in the Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.

 

Jack Smith is a  hack lawyer who gets overturned  frequently.
https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

 

CNN Inadvertently Reveals New Special Counsel Jack Smith as a Partisan Hack
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/11/20/cnn-inadvertently-reveals-new-special-counsel-jack-smith-partisan

 

If you bet on Smith, you should just burn your money now.

Who let the dogs out? big winner OMGWTFLOL

https://abovethelaw.com/2023/10/trump-flings-flaming-bags-of-dog<deleted>-pretending-to-be-legal-motions-at-dc-judge/

Edited October 25, 2023 by earlinclaifornia

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Suggestion for all wannabe F L Bailey’s to start reviewing actual recent LEGAL FILINGS regarding the DC USA v Trump case, including:
(1) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS,

(2) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON STATUTORY GROUNDS,

(3) Trump’s MOTION TO STRIKE INFLAMMATORY ALLEGATIONS FROM THE INDICTMENT,

(4) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS FOR SELECTIVE AND VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/

They are all VERY solid Motions, and you can expect each of them to be granted, if the judge feels like doing her JOB. If not, I see the Appeal as being a winner, whether in the Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.

 

Jack Smith is a  hack lawyer who gets overturned  frequently.
https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

 

CNN Inadvertently Reveals New Special Counsel Jack Smith as a Partisan Hack
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/11/20/cnn-inadvertently-reveals-new-special-counsel-jack-smith-partisan

 

If you bet on Smith, you should just burn your money now.

Take your meds on time please Donald.

Edited October 25, 2023 by FritsSikkink

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

 

Do you believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump via vote fraud?

[candide]

Every day, a little bit of joy! 😃

 

"I don’t think Mark Meadows would lie about the Rigged and Stollen 2020 Presidential Election merely for getting IMMUNITY against Prosecution (PERSECUTION!),” the former president wrote.

“Some people would make that deal, but they are weaklings and cowards, and so bad for the future our Failing Nation. I don’t think that Mark Meadows is one of them, but who really knows? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-rages-former-acolytes-turn-040501374.html

[candide]

There may be another interesting consequence for Powell, as she is also subject of a lawsuit for defamation by Dominion.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-dominion-lost-lawsuits-idUSL1N39S1UF

 

Having lied may be an aggravating factor

[jerrymahoney]

Mark Meadows Denies He’s Been Granted Immunity to Flip on Trump

 

Updated Oct. 24, 2023 10:51PM EDT / Published Oct. 24, 2023 6:34PM EDT 

 

Mark Meadows, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, denied claims made in an ABC News report Tuesday that he was granted immunity to testify before special counsel Jack Smith’s team.

 

Despite ABC News claiming Meadows’ lawyer declined to comment, George Terwilliger, Meadows’ attorney, later said to CBS News: “I told ABC that their story was largely inaccurate. People will have to judge for themselves the decision to run it anyway.”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mark-meadows-flips-tells-jack-smith-about-2020-election-lies-report-says

[jerrymahoney]

 

Trump’s Lawyers Are Going Down. Is He?
Oct. 25, 2023

OPINION from NY Times

 

If you think it’s crystal clear that the guilty pleas are terrible news for Trump — or represent that elusive “we have him now” moment that many Trump opponents have looked for since his moral corruption became clear — then it’s important to know that there’s a contrary view. National Review’s Andrew McCarthy, a respected former federal prosecutor, argued that Powell’s guilty plea, for example, was evidence that Willis’s case was “faltering” and that her RICO indictment “is a dud.”

 

“When prosecutors cut plea deals with cooperators early in the proceedings,” McCarthy writes, “they generally want the pleading defendants to admit guilt to the major charges in the indictment.” Powell pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges. Ellis and Chesebro each pleaded to a single felony charge, but they received punishment similar to Powell’s. McCarthy argues that Willis allowed Powell to plead guilty to a minor infraction “because minor infractions are all she’s got.”

 

And in a piece published Tuesday afternoon, McCarthy argued that the Ellis guilty plea is more of a sign of the “absurdity” of Willis’s RICO charge than a sign that Willis is closing in on Trump, a notion he called “wishful thinking.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/opinion/trump-georgia-guilty-pleas.html

[GroveHillWanderer]

34 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

 

Trump’s Lawyers Are Going Down. Is He?
Oct. 25, 2023

OPINION from NY Times

 

If you think it’s crystal clear that the guilty pleas are terrible news for Trump — or represent that elusive “we have him now” moment that many Trump opponents have looked for since his moral corruption became clear — then it’s important to know that there’s a contrary view. National Review’s Andrew McCarthy, a respected former federal prosecutor, argued that Powell’s guilty plea, for example, was evidence that Willis’s case was “faltering” and that her RICO indictment “is a dud.”

 

“When prosecutors cut plea deals with cooperators early in the proceedings,” McCarthy writes, “they generally want the pleading defendants to admit guilt to the major charges in the indictment.” Powell pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges. Ellis and Chesebro each pleaded to a single felony charge, but they received punishment similar to Powell’s. McCarthy argues that Willis allowed Powell to plead guilty to a minor infraction “because minor infractions are all she’s got.”

 

And in a piece published Tuesday afternoon, McCarthy argued that the Ellis guilty plea is more of a sign of the “absurdity” of Willis’s RICO charge than a sign that Willis is closing in on Trump, a notion he called “wishful thinking.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/opinion/trump-georgia-guilty-pleas.html

That's the same Andrew McCarthy who characterized Barack Obama as a radical and a socialist, authored a book alleging that Obama was advancing a "Sharia Agenda," wrote another book calling for Obama's impeachment and defended false claims that the Affordable Care Act would lead to "death panels."

 

He also wrote a book alleging that the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration colluded to rig the 2016 election against Trump.

 

Watch How Trump Moves the Goalposts on Ukraine

 

I'm not sure his opinion about matters regarding this case is something I'd want to put much store by.

[jerrymahoney]

12 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm not sure his opinion about matters regarding  case is something I'd want to put much store by.

That was an opinion piece published by the NY Times.. If you think it doesn't matter, that is your prerogative.

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That was an opinion piece published by the NY Times.. If you think it doesn't matter, that is your prerogative.

Seems your world wide article choices looking sorry is my take or a prerogative I choose. That exposure makes me want to suggest you spend more time understanding each point of view. Just my opinion, so don't take it personally. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 hours ago, illisdean said:

Suggestion for all wannabe F L Bailey’s to start reviewing actual recent LEGAL FILINGS regarding the DC USA v Trump case, including:
(1) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS,

(2) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT BASED ON STATUTORY GROUNDS,

(3) Trump’s MOTION TO STRIKE INFLAMMATORY ALLEGATIONS FROM THE INDICTMENT,

(4) Trump’s MOTION TO DISMISS FOR SELECTIVE AND VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/

They are all VERY solid Motions, and you can expect each of them to be granted, if the judge feels like doing her JOB. If not, I see the Appeal as being a winner, whether in the Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.

 

Jack Smith is a  hack lawyer who gets overturned  frequently.
https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

 

CNN Inadvertently Reveals New Special Counsel Jack Smith as a Partisan Hack
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/11/20/cnn-inadvertently-reveals-new-special-counsel-jack-smith-partisan

 

If you bet on Smith, you should just burn your money now.

AmericaFirstPolicy.com and Newsbusters bog.

 

I’d like to think you were tying to have a laugh.

 

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Seems your world wide article choices looking sorry is my take or a prerogative I choose. That exposure makes me want to suggest you spend more time understanding each point of view. Just my opinion, so don't take it personally. 

The New York Times  is a sorry choice. Thanks. I'll remember that. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The New York Times  is a sorry choice. Thanks. I'll remember that. 

It opinion pieces are…… wait for it….opinion pieces.

 

I’m sure though feeding the ‘Trump is going to get away with it all’ angst sells copy.

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It opinion pieces are…… wait for it….opinion pieces.

 

I’m sure though feeding the ‘Trump is going to get away with it all’ angst sells copy.

They run far more Trump isn't going to get away with all articles and opinion pieces.

 

As per today's:

 

What Guilty Pleas in Georgia Mean for the Federal Case Against Trump

The guilty pleas present a host of challenges as state and federal prosecutors engage in parallel efforts to hold Donald J. Trump accountable, defense lawyers and former federal prosecutors say.

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Danderman123]

On 10/24/2023 at 11:41 PM, candide said:

Poor darling ..... 😓

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would have not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.

https://news.yahoo.com/jenna-ellis-becomes-latest-trump-134539125.html

So...Jenna Ellis has admitted that the 2020 election wasn't stolen. We are down to just a handful of deadenders who believe the election was stolen.

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

17 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That was an opinion piece published by the NY Times.. If you think it doesn't matter, that is your prerogative.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, just that I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in his conclusions. For instance, he also refers to the judge in Trump's civil case in NY as an "Elected Democrat in a Robe" and accuses him of promoting a Democratic Party narrative.

 

Elected Democrat in a Robe Fines Trump as Pretext to Promoting Democrats’ Incitement Narrative

 

He hardly sounds like an impartial observer.

[jerrymahoney]

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, just that I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in his conclusions. For instance, he also refers to the judge in Trump's civil case in NY as an "Elected Democrat in a Robe" and accuses him of promoting a Democratic Party narrative.

 

Elected Democrat in a Robe Fines Trump as Pretext to Promoting Democrats’ Incitement Narrative

He hardly sounds like an impartial observer.

This is the McCarthy article referenced by David French in his NY Times opinion piece:

 

Sidney Powell’s Guilty Plea Points to a Faltering Case in Atlanta

 

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
October 19, 2023 1:15 PM

 

While the media spin will be different, my first impression of Sidney Powell’s guilty plea in the Fulton County election-interference case is: It signals that District Attorney Fani Willis’s much-heralded RICO indictment — in which 19 are charged, including Powell’s famous co-defendant Donald Trump — is a dud.

<skip>

 

Willis’s case appears to be the opposite. She filed the grandiose allegations in an indictment that depicts Trump as if he were the boss of a Mafia family — with Powell as one of his lieutenants. Now she’s pleading people out to minor infractions.

There’s good reason to believe that’s because minor infractions are all she’s got.

 

https://archive.ph/hNWxv#selection-709.1-715.306

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

This is the McCarthy article referenced by David French in his NY Times opinion piece:

 

Sidney Powell’s Guilty Plea Points to a Faltering Case in Atlanta

 

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
October 19, 2023 1:15 PM

 

While the media spin will be different, my first impression of Sidney Powell’s guilty plea in the Fulton County election-interference case is: It signals that District Attorney Fani Willis’s much-heralded RICO indictment — in which 19 are charged, including Powell’s famous co-defendant Donald Trump — is a dud.

<skip>

 

Willis’s case appears to be the opposite. She filed the grandiose allegations in an indictment that depicts Trump as if he were the boss of a Mafia family — with Powell as one of his lieutenants. Now she’s pleading people out to minor infractions.

There’s good reason to believe that’s because minor infractions are all she’s got.

 

https://archive.ph/hNWxv#selection-709.1-715.306

 

 

There’s better reason to believe Fani Willis has cut a deal with the ‘flippers’ in which they get charged with ‘minor infractions’ in exchange for their guilty pleas and cooperation.

 

Which is normal prosecution practice when ‘turning’ key witnesses.

 

Meanwhile the impact of the guilty pleas of Trump’s ‘lawyers’ are already rolling over into the DOJ case against Trump in Washington DC.

 

Apart from the ‘crime fraud exception’ having evaporated ‘client attorney privilege’, Jack Smith has filed motion against Trump’s delaying tactics around citing an ‘advice of attorney’ defense.

 

But no, none of this matters,Trump is going to get away with it all’.

 

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/jack-smith-trumps-guilty-lawyers-complicate-his-advice-of-counsel-defense

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

Shortly before prosecutors filed their papers, the American Civil Liberties Union released a proposed friend-of-the-court brief on its website siding with Mr. Trump and urging Judge Chutkan to re-evaluate her order.

 

In its brief, which has not yet been filed as part of the case, the A.C.L.U. said the gag order was both “impermissibly vague” and “impermissibly broad” and hindered Mr. Trump’s “ability to speak publicly about the substance of the prosecution.” The brief went on to note that Mr. Trump’s criminal case was “in many ways inextricable from the 2024 presidential campaign in which he is a declared candidate.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/us/politics/trump-gag-order.html

 

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But no, none of this matters,Trump is going to get away with it all’.

Win, lose, or draw, I really do not care what is the outcome of the 4 current criminal cases as long as he is not again US President JAN 20, 2025.

Edited October 27, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:14 PM, illisdean said:

https://americafirstpolicy.com/latest/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2022/11/20/cnn-inadvertently-reveals-new-special-counsel-jack-smith-partisan

 

 

 

A bunch of biased and/or non-credible, non-news report sources:

America First Policy Institute

"Overall, we rate The America First Policy Institute (AFPI) Right Biased based on political affiliation with Donald Trump. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a complete lack of transparency and the use of poor sources who have failed fact checks. "

 

"The staff consists of Ex-Trump aides."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-america-first-policy-institute-afpi-bias/

 

AND

Newsbusters

"Overall, we rate Newsbusters Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right. We also rate them borderline questionable due to the use of poor sources and numerous failed fact checks. One additional failed fact check will push this source by default onto the Questionable list."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsbusters/

[illisdean]

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A bunch of biased and/or non-credible, non-news report sources:

America First Policy Institute

"Overall, we rate The America First Policy Institute (AFPI) Right Biased based on political affiliation with Donald Trump. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a complete lack of transparency and the use of poor sources who have failed fact checks. "

 

"The staff consists of Ex-Trump aides."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-america-first-policy-institute-afpi-bias/

 

AND

Newsbusters

"Overall, we rate Newsbusters Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right. We also rate them borderline questionable due to the use of poor sources and numerous failed fact checks. One additional failed fact check will push this source by default onto the Questionable list."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsbusters/

all factual reporting though or did you uncover some misinformation. that you can share here. If not, too bad for all your abject recitals, evident by your hapless media fact check attempts to cure your butt hurt.

[jerrymahoney]

On 10/26/2023 at 7:51 AM, earlinclaifornia said:

Seems your world wide article choices looking sorry is my take or a prerogative I choose. That exposure makes me want to suggest you spend more time understanding each point of view. Just my opinion, so don't take it personally. 

what --- Netflix?

[Danderman123]

On 10/27/2023 at 3:00 AM, jerrymahoney said:

This is the McCarthy article referenced by David French in his NY Times opinion piece:

 

Sidney Powell’s Guilty Plea Points to a Faltering Case in Atlanta

 

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
October 19, 2023 1:15 PM

 

While the media spin will be different, my first impression of Sidney Powell’s guilty plea in the Fulton County election-interference case is: It signals that District Attorney Fani Willis’s much-heralded RICO indictment — in which 19 are charged, including Powell’s famous co-defendant Donald Trump — is a dud.

<skip>

 

Willis’s case appears to be the opposite. She filed the grandiose allegations in an indictment that depicts Trump as if he were the boss of a Mafia family — with Powell as one of his lieutenants. Now she’s pleading people out to minor infractions.

There’s good reason to believe that’s because minor infractions are all she’s got.

 

https://archive.ph/hNWxv#selection-709.1-715.306

 

 

He who flips first, flips best.

[Danderman123]

Trump could be saved if his attorneys give themselves up for him. He could claim that he was just following the advice of his attorneys if they testify that they gave him bad legal advice (and go to jail).

[GroveHillWanderer]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump could be saved if his attorneys give themselves up for him. He could claim that he was just following the advice of his attorneys if they testify that they gave him bad legal advice (and go to jail).

Perhaps he could have done that, had he not shot himself in the foot by admitting on camera that everything he did was his own decision, and that he wasn't just following the advice of his lawyers.

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[candide]

8 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Perhaps he could have done that, had he not shot himself in the foot by admitting on camera that everything he did was his own decision, and that he wasn't just following the advice of his lawyers.

 

 

 

For people who don't like to watch videos:

"It was my decision," Trump told NBC's "Meet the Press" program, that the election was "rigged" against him, adding that he relied heavily upon his own "instincts" in coming to that conclusion. 🤣

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-it-was-his-decision-persist-with-2020-election-challenges-2023-09-17/