Defiant Trump turns up at $250m New York fraud trial to blast 'scam'

[Paradise Pete]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

Trump is not against the establishment. Trump is not motivated by what's good for others. That doesn't even enter his thinking.

 

Trump is for whatever is good for Trump, and that's it. Nothing else matters. He will say and do anything to that end no matter the consequence for others.

 

If it just so happens that something benefits you as well that's just a coincidence and can't be relied upon in the future. The next one might well be disastrous for you. Doesn't make a whit of difference to Trump.

[neeray]

11 hours ago, scorecard said:

And let's be honest, the vast majority of those sucked in are naive and poor and the immoral unethical clown still openly asks them for more. 

The clown brags that "he loves the uneducated". It seems that the "uneducated" constitute the majority of his supporters. I've seen some of his supporters interviewed. It's painfully obvious. 

[HappyExpat57]

7 hours ago, neeray said:

The clown brags that "he loves the uneducated". It seems that the "uneducated" constitute the majority of his supporters. I've seen some of his supporters interviewed. It's painfully obvious. 

For what it's worth, I've seen Jesse Waters interviewing Dem supporters and some of them are also painfully stupid. It's really a decline in mental acuity across the nation. 50 years ago a wise man told me the people who really run America want to eliminate the middle class, resulting in a ruling class and a servant class. You start with education - civics was a required class when I went to high school. Now I'm not sure if it's even offered as an elective. When shows like "Beavis & Butthead" or "Jackass" are glorified and stupidity looked up to, the results are what you have running around today.

[neeray]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

For what it's worth, I've seen Jesse Waters interviewing Dem supporters and some of them are also painfully stupid. It's really a decline in mental acuity across the nation. 50 years ago a wise man told me the people who really run America want to eliminate the middle class, resulting in a ruling class and a servant class. You start with education - civics was a required class when I went to high school. Now I'm not sure if it's even offered as an elective. When shows like "Beavis & Butthead" or "Jackass" are glorified and stupidity looked up to, the results are what you have running around today.

Congratulations for a mistake free, properly punctuated comment. Such writing is a rarity today, despite spell checkers making it all so easy, it seems many just ignore them. I can agree with most of your comment. I'm just not sure how the middle class could be eliminated -- that sounds like something that would take a gargantuan effort and 3 to 5 generations to pull it off. 

 

I left school some 59 years ago after grade 10. High school was mostly technical courses. But Mother and siblings encouraged me to speak and write intelligently. I've been asked more than once what university I attended. 555 

 

The TV shows that you mention, huh, what, never heard of them (actually I have but have never indulged).

 

It's a shame to witness North American civilization being dumbed down. Digital phones no doubt contribute to this too. They should make us smarter, but it seems the reverse is happening.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

3) casual familiarity with your posts indicates that for you, the insult is the biggest tool in your toolbox.

Quote an insult from me or you are making it up.

[FritsSikkink]

On 10/4/2023 at 6:17 AM, RichardColeman said:

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. Mar-a-Lago  is 20 plus acres of prime real estate, the building has 128 rooms - including 58 bedroom & 33 bathrooms. Smaller empty lots are up for sale at over $100,000,000 so how can a judge possibly be worth 18 ? Total sham.

 

Like him or loathe him - at least play fair, but what do you expect with  democrat prosecutor and a democrat judge in a democrat state ? 

Trump's valuation of MaL for the tax office: "Between 2011 and 2021, you valued the Mar-a-Lago property between $18 million and just under $28 million."

Trump's valuateion of MaL to get a bank loan: "Mar-a-Lago was listed as worth $490 million in financial documents given to banks."

Trump's valuation of MaL in court: 1 billion

 

Trump says Mar-a-Lago is worth over $1 billion — so congressman demands tax reassessment (msn.com)

 

Now a congress man is getting involved too:

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by FritsSikkink

[Danderman123]

On 10/2/2023 at 10:05 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Mr Trump go, and expose the politics involved in bringing this case at this very point in time.

I hope he gets damages when the case against him personally is dismissed.

Trump is so worried that he dropped his lawsuit against Michael Cohen because Trump refused to give a deposition.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Trump's valuation of MaL for the tax office: "Between 2011 and 2021, you valued the Mar-a-Lago property between $18 million and just under $28 million."

Trump's valuateion of MaL to get a bank loan: "Mar-a-Lago was listed as worth $490 million in financial documents given to banks."

Trump's valuation of MaL in court: 1 billion

 

Trump says Mar-a-Lago is worth over $1 billion — so congressman demands tax reassessment (msn.com)

 

Now a congress man is getting involved too:

 

 

unfortunately, a member of Congress has no standing regarding county property appraisals.

 

Some states have limits on increases in property evaluations, so there is that.

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump is so worried that he dropped his lawsuit against Michael Cohen because Trump refused to give a deposition.

To which Cohen said "Mr. Trump's cowardly dismissal spells the end of this latest attempt to deter me from providing truthful testimony against him". My legal team and I now look forward to turning our full attention to holding Mr. Trump accountable for his latest abuse of the legal system. More to come". Time to take the fight to Trump and Cohen has a grudge to grind. 

[Danderman123]

45 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

To which Cohen said "Mr. Trump's cowardly dismissal spells the end of this latest attempt to deter me from providing truthful testimony against him". My legal team and I now look forward to turning our full attention to holding Mr. Trump accountable for his latest abuse of the legal system. More to come". Time to take the fight to Trump and Cohen has a grudge to grind. 

Trump surrendered.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump surrendered.

Of course, he’s a coward.

 

Cohen stood up to him, Trump folded.

 

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Trump's valuation of MaL for the tax office: "Between 2011 and 2021, you valued the Mar-a-Lago property between $18 million and just under $28 million."

Trump's valuateion of MaL to get a bank loan: "Mar-a-Lago was listed as worth $490 million in financial documents given to banks."

Trump's valuation of MaL in court: 1 billion

 

Trump says Mar-a-Lago is worth over $1 billion — so congressman demands tax reassessment (msn.com)

 

Now a congress man is getting involved too:

 

 

Let's hope this lie has consequences:  https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/moskowitz-calls-to-increase-mar-a-lago-property-taxes-after-trump-claims-its-worth-1-8b/

[rudi49jr]

This is not about this case, but the one in Georgia: Trump claims immunity.

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-court-dismiss-federal-2020-election-subversion-case-filing-2023-10-05/

 

Basically they want to go all the way to the supreme court and delay the case until they have ruled.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by rudi49jr

[heybruce]

28 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

This is not about this case, but the one in Georgia: Trump claims immunity.

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-court-dismiss-federal-2020-election-subversion-case-filing-2023-10-05/

 

Basically they want to go all the way to the supreme court and delay the case until they have ruled.

 

 

It's a sign he's getting scared and desperate.

[Peabody]

On 10/3/2023 at 1:21 PM, heybruce said:

That's ok, I'm sure the jury will.....

 

Oh yeah, he opted out of a jury trial.  Wow, new standards of idiocy.

He didn't opt out. His lawyers neglected to file the paperwork asking for a jury trial.!

 

[Peabody]

On 10/5/2023 at 6:30 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

I've seen Jesse Waters interviewing Dem supporters and some of them are also painfully stupid.

Not stupid enough to vote for Twitler.

 

[rudi49jr]

58 minutes ago, Peabody said:

He didn't opt out. His lawyers neglected to file the paperwork asking for a jury trial.!

 

Didn’t Trump say he always hired the best people? Then how come he’s had so many dumb@ss lawyers over the last few years? I mean, it’s like he’s going out of his way to find the dumbest and dimmest lawyers out there. MAGA! 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

This is not about this case, but the one in Georgia: Trump claims immunity.

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-court-dismiss-federal-2020-election-subversion-case-filing-2023-10-05/

 

Basically they want to go all the way to the supreme court and delay the case until they have ruled.

 

 

In all of these motions, Trump has a problem: he can't testify. So, if a judge has questions, Trump can't answer them.

 

Trump can't testify because he is a lie factory. He knows it.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Then how come he’s had so many dumb@ss lawyers over the last few years?

Because any lawyer with a bit of a brain wouldn't want to be associated with this lunatic and drag their winnings rating down.

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Because any lawyer with a bit of a brain wouldn't want to be associated with this lunatic and drag their winnings rating down.

I think the fact that he always seems to stiff them with the bill has something to do with it as well. Rudi Giuliani, for one, is still waiting to be paid.

[still kicking]

Donald Trump allegedly spilt sensitive secrets on nuclear submarines to Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt: reports

Reports claim Donald Trump allegedly disclosed sensitive nuclear submarine secrets with Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[still kicking]

Donald Trump ‘could lose’ $400m worth of property (realcommercial.com.au)

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

Donald Trump allegedly spilt sensitive secrets on nuclear submarines to Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt: reports

Reports claim Donald Trump allegedly disclosed sensitive nuclear submarine secrets with Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

No problem.  He'll just fondle a flag with a goofy smirk on his face and his followers with think that means he's a patriot.

[bendejo]

8 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Didn’t Trump say he always hired the best people? Then how come he’s had so many dumb@ss lawyers over the last few years? I mean, it’s like he’s going out of his way to find the dumbest and dimmest lawyers out there. MAGA! 

Well, that would depend on your definition of "best."  A history teacher once told the class "the difference between JFK and LBJ was that JFK didn't understand the advantage of having stupid people around."

There is a certain former PM of LOS who, it seems, would not hire anyone smarter than himself.  I don't know how much is archived, but the guys he had negotiating with the then-government during the street occupation were a great example of this, they really did come off like The Three Stooges.  DT may not be as stupid as he seems, but he is certainly no great mind.

From a different perspective, bear in mind one of the businesses he ran before he officially entered politics was money laundering for Russian oligarchs.  These inflated valuations could turn out to be part of fluffing things up with those intentions, rather than the charges being aired at present.  If this can be proven it could move things up a notch or two.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

Donald Trump allegedly spilt sensitive secrets on nuclear submarines to Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt: reports

Reports claim Donald Trump allegedly disclosed sensitive nuclear submarine secrets with Aussie billionaire Anthony Pratt | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

Significant word is "allegedly". Unless proven it's just more lies dressed up as "news".

There have been enough "alleged" wrong doings about Trump to put him away for several lifetimes if they were true, but always remained unproven.

Seems Australia's leading news site has resorted to publishing unproven attacks. Sad.

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Significant word is "allegedly". Unless proven it's just more lies dressed up as "news".

There have been enough "alleged" wrong doings about Trump to put him away for several lifetimes if they were true, but always remained unproven.

Seems Australia's leading news site has resorted to publishing unproven attacks. Sad.

It is paradoxical that your axiom here is 'unless proven it's just more lies' yet most of your posts make allegations or assertions without any proof.

 

So, therefore logically, by your own standards are most of your posts just lies?

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by LosLobo

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Significant word is "allegedly". Unless proven it's just more lies dressed up as "news".

There have been enough "alleged" wrong doings about Trump to put him away for several lifetimes if they were true, but always remained unproven.

Seems Australia's leading news site has resorted to publishing unproven attacks. Sad.

Right.  It's not like Trump has a history of mishandling classified information. 

 

Oh, wait.....

[stevenl]

Related.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/05/politics/trump-michael-cohen-lawsuit/index.html

No way Trump can testify in his cases, he'd perjurer himself or be forced to take the 5th.

Edited October 7, 2023 by stevenl

[Tug]

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Related.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/05/politics/trump-michael-cohen-lawsuit/index.html

No way Trump can testify in his cases, he'd perjurer himself or be forced to take the 5th.

Aww man don’t let that stop him lol ???? please please and under oath!!!

[FritsSikkink]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless proven it's just more lies dressed up as "news".

No, it isn't a fact yet. It isn't proven to be lies as well. 

 

Trump is caught on tape talking about sharing information of which he says it is classified, so therefore in this case calling it lies, it either lying by you or ignorance. Take your pick.