ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[rabas]

7 hours ago, Thorgal said:

Why concentrate on me in vain ?

A deep dedication to truth.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, deejai33 said:

OK, but Hamas is only a small faction of the Palestinians.   

 

Does Israel want to make peace with the majority of Palestinians, excluding Hamas ?   

 

If they do, go on a short trip to Cairo and join the peace conference, their views and interest in peace are important.

 

How is Hamas 'a small faction'? Hamas won the last general Palestinian elections, and polls since routinely show mass popular support. Would a 'small faction' be able to control the Gaza Strip for over a decade? Produce thousands of rockets and so on?

 

Not buying into your feigned ignorance, and them 'questions'. Even if one had no clue, it's practically impossible not know these sort of things following the news for the last couple of weeks. Even dodgier coming from a new(?) addition to the membership.

 

At minimum, peace requires two parties. Somehow you have 'questions' only regarding one of them.

 

The conference in Cairo is not about providing a solution for the entire conflict.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

No, they want to kill them all and take their land. 

Now, they've got Joe Biden and Sunak, which is aptly the official Thai word for dog, giving them the all clear to do it, a sick, so sad state of affairs. 

I'm ashamed to hold a British passport. 

 

Said the poster previously claiming not to know much on this....

 

If they wanted that, it would have happened long ago.

 

I'm ashamed you're a member of this forum, what of it?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I'm ashamed to hold a British passport.

I'm ashamed that you've got one 

[metisdead]

A post with a link to a QUESTIONABLE SOURCE and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 hours ago, deejai33 said:

I see there is a 'Cairo Peace Summit' on saturday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/cairo-peace-summit-gaza-conflict-who-will-attend-2023-10-20/

 

I only read about it because I look at Aljazzera new site.   

 

UK, major european nations, UN leader and Arab country heads are going.

 

Don't see USA or Israel mentioned in the list.   Why not go and talk about peace ?

Is that the same Aljazzera new site(sic) (Al Jazeera news site) That is based in, and controlled by, Qatar; where the Qatari funded political leader of Hamas and his entourage are cocooned. You might want to look elsewhere for any impartial reporting on this particular war.

 

As for the summit, why would the USA or Israel send representatives; there will not be any representative from Hamas, and even if there were, the USA and Israel do not negotiate with designated terrorist organisations.

 

Although Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority will be there, he holds no power whatsoever, he is just a relic, an attempted facade of respectability for the Palestinian people. The P.A. lost all power in Gaza 16 years ago when the Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas as their government.

 

Still, Russia are sending their deputy foreign minister and China are sending an envoy, so the summit will at least have an abundance of irony when peace is being discussed.

[Morch]

French intelligence points to Palestinian rocket, not Israeli airstrike, for Gaza hospital blast

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-france-intelligence-7be0d59b9ceb58bbf2f03c5dc8222356

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good news, 2 US hostages freed:

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67165505

Goodnews. I wonder if they are also Israeli citizens, or maybe they were on holiday.

[Morch]

BBC Ceases Using ‘Militants’ Label for Hamas But ‘Terrorist’, Acknowledges Shift in Language

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bbc-ceases-using-militants-label-for-hamas-but-terrorist-acknowledges-shift-in-language/ar-AA1izMXw

 

Better late than never.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Morch

[ChipButty]

If Egypt would open their boarder there would be no refugee problem all the aid is standing across the boarder, But no Hamas will not let them go, because they know they will be illiminated by the Israelis 

[sammieuk1]

A list of all the Arab states who have taken in Palestinians fleeing Gaza, following the Hamas massacre against Israel 🤔

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Goodnews. I wonder if they are also Israeli citizens, or maybe they were on holiday.

Why the - - - - does that matter, only someone with a twisted agenda would ask such a question; they are citizens of the free world, abducted during the worst massacre the world has seen since WW2

 

I rejoice with them and their family and friends; hopefully they have not been physically harmed, probably not, otherwise the butchers of Hamas would not have released them. However, they will be mentally and emotionally scarred for life

[Neeranam]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So you can't disavow your UK citizenship?

 

Thanks for the Thai perspective translation to dog. So very irrelevant and so very obnoxious, khrap.

 

Israel doesn't want to kill all so called Palestinians.

 

Have you noticed the ratio of global Jews to global Arabs and global Muslims? Look at all the rage from a hit Gaza hospital that probably wasn't even from Isreal.

 

I think its a cynical troll move  to suggest that.

 

Also Israel does not want to occupy Gaza.

 

 

Yes, I could but I love my country, Scotland. We have many ethnicities living peacefully there. Israelis and Palestinians could learn a thing or two. Our First Minister has pledged to take Palestinian refugees. Sunak doesn't are about Scotland.

 

I don't know why you highlight/resent/ridicule my Thai nationality/ethnicity all the time, I certainly don't highlight yours, even though it is very relevant to your pro Israel stance. I have no respect for anyone who supports Apartheid, and my Jewish friends certainly don't.

 

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the country's first minister Humza Yousaf said on Wednesday. "The people of Gaza are a proud people. Many don't want to leave, and shouldn't have to. But for those displaced, who want to leave, there should be a worldwide refugee scheme. Scotland is willing to be a place of sanctuary and be the first country to take those refugees," he said in a tweet.

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/willing-to-be-a-place-of-sanctuary-scotland-first-minister-says-ready-to-welcome-gaza-refugees-402497-2023-10-18

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Why the - - - - does that matter, only someone with a twisted agenda would ask such a question; they are citizens of the free world, abducted during the worst massacre the world has seen since WW2

 

I rejoice with them and their family and friends; hopefully they have not been physically harmed, probably not, otherwise the butchers of Hamas would not have released them. However, they will be mentally and emotionally scarred for life

"only someone with a twisted agenda would ask such a question"

 

Bang on!

[Eloquent pilgrim]

21 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the country's first minister Humza Yousaf said on Wednesday.

 

I didn’t think anyone could ever alter my opposition to Scottish independence ….. I never, of course, counted on Humza Yousaf

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, I could but I love my country, Scotland. We have many ethnicities living peacefully there. Israelis and Palestinians could learn a thing or two. Our First Minister has pledged to take Palestinian refugees. Sunak doesn't are about Scotland.

 

I don't know why you highlight/resent/ridicule my Thai nationality/ethnicity all the time, I certainly don't highlight yours, even though it is very relevant to your pro Israel stance. I have no respect for anyone who supports Apartheid, and my Jewish friends certainly don't.

 

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the country's first minister Humza Yousaf said on Wednesday. "The people of Gaza are a proud people. Many don't want to leave, and shouldn't have to. But for those displaced, who want to leave, there should be a worldwide refugee scheme. Scotland is willing to be a place of sanctuary and be the first country to take those refugees," he said in a tweet.

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/willing-to-be-a-place-of-sanctuary-scotland-first-minister-says-ready-to-welcome-gaza-refugees-402497-2023-10-18

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas

 

Not surprising really, Humza Yousaf's parents in law are trapped in Gaza.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

11 hours ago, deejai33 said:

Don't see USA or Israel mentioned in the list.   Why not go and talk about peace ?

Did you see Hamas mentioned in the list ??

 

Nah, didn’t think so, which can only mean one thing; you were just looking for exclusions from the list of those that you want to be critical of, or attach blame to.

 

You’ve only made a few comments on this thread, yet everyone can already see exactly where you are coming from …. outed

[chickenslegs]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas

Haven't the people of Gaza suffered enough already?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, I could but I love my country, Scotland. We have many ethnicities living peacefully there. Israelis and Palestinians could learn a thing or two. Our First Minister has pledged to take Palestinian refugees. Sunak doesn't are about Scotland.

 

I don't know why you highlight/resent/ridicule my Thai nationality/ethnicity all the time, I certainly don't highlight yours, even though it is very relevant to your pro Israel stance. I have no respect for anyone who supports Apartheid, and my Jewish friends certainly don't.

 

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the country's first minister Humza Yousaf said on Wednesday. "The people of Gaza are a proud people. Many don't want to leave, and shouldn't have to. But for those displaced, who want to leave, there should be a worldwide refugee scheme. Scotland is willing to be a place of sanctuary and be the first country to take those refugees," he said in a tweet.

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/willing-to-be-a-place-of-sanctuary-scotland-first-minister-says-ready-to-welcome-gaza-refugees-402497-2023-10-18

How would you make sure that they didn't then go to England ?

[Bkk Brian]

Not a media I would normally share but there's a decent interview here on Fox News with the son of the founding Hamas Leader.

 

Basically saying that Hamas are just using the Palestine people for their end goal, an Islamic state in the middle east and the rest of the world, using the people of Palestine as human shields. They serve their masters, Iran and Russia with Iran supplying close to a billion dollars annually.

 

Regards Israel, IDF going into Gaza, he says its going to be ugly even for the most modern army. Most of the tunnels are in the North so all civilians have to be evacuated and Egypt needs to open its borders. He has some suggestions on how to end them but I'll leave that for the viewers.

 

Son of Hamas leader breaks silence: They must be stopped

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

19 hours ago, Celsius said:

Greta supports Hamas

 

 

Why did she put an octopus in the photo ?

Octopus was used the by Nazis to show how Jews control the World , their tentacles reaching all parts of the globe .

   Coincidence ?

[deejai33]

51 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Did you see Hamas mentioned in the list ??

 

Nah, didn’t think so, which can only mean one thing; you were just looking for exclusions from the list of those that you want to be critical of, or attach blame to.

 

You’ve only made a few comments on this thread, yet everyone can already see exactly where you are coming from …. outed

As you say correctly, I did not note that Hamas was not on the list of attendees.   

 

It did not occur to me to say it as I presumed it was obvious that Hamas would not be invited.  They are a proscribed terrorist group in many of the countries who are attending.

 

And as you say, I do want to be critical of countries that chose not to attend.  Talking about peace and and trying to come up with viable long term solutions is needed.   All my life, and before it, there's been a Palestinian conflict.  I want a fair solution, as do most people.  I am from the UK, with no religious beliefs.

 

You talk of 'outing me'.  A bit aggresive sounding, but up to you.

 

But given this chance to express my overall view of the aftermath of the Hamas attrocity, I'd like to make this point:

 

After 2 weeks, we are given by the UN and others figures such as 1,400 Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.  4,000 Palestinians killed since 7th, 30% of housing damaged in Gaza, 1m people moved.

 

Is that enough retribution ? Is it time to stop ?  Seems to me thats enough killing for anyone.  A 3 to 1 rate of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths should satisfy even the most upset.

 

Perhaps thats 500 Hamas operatives dead, my guess.   Some will say they want all current Hamas operatives killed.

 

But that's not achievable without much larger palestinian deaths.   For me, enough is enough.  Israel will loose any moral high ground it had and the situation will be worse for Israel, not better.

 

Israel should strengthen its southern border with a larger no-go area and work towards a fair settlement of the Palestinian issue.

 

That's my view - outed for sure now.

 

This forum and reading diverse sources has helped me form this view. Thanks.

 

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why did she put an octopus in the photo ?

Octopus was used the by Nazis to show how Jews control the World , their tentacles reaching all parts of the globe .

   Coincidence ?

Nah, cuteness factor. Doubt they know a whole lot about anything other than slogans.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

Nah, cuteness factor. Doubt they know a whole lot about anything other than slogans.

Some other people may have placed it there ?

The octopus has been used numerous times before 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rabas]

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

Nah, cuteness factor. Doubt they know a whole lot about anything other than slogans.

You reason they understand slogans?

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

As you say correctly, I did not note that Hamas was not on the list of attendees.   

 

It did not occur to me to say it as I presumed it was obvious that Hamas would not be invited.  They are a proscribed terrorist group in many of the countries who are attending.

 

And as you say, I do want to be critical of countries that chose not to attend.  Talking about peace and and trying to come up with viable long term solutions is needed.   All my life, and before it, there's been a Palestinian conflict.  I want a fair solution, as do most people.  I am from the UK, with no religious beliefs.

 

You talk of 'outing me'.  A bit aggresive sounding, but up to you.

 

But given this chance to express my overall view of the aftermath of the Hamas attrocity, I'd like to make this point:

 

After 2 weeks, we are given by the UN and others figures such as 1,400 Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.  4,000 Palestinians killed since 7th, 30% of housing damaged in Gaza, 1m people moved.

 

Is that enough retribution ? Is it time to stop ?  Seems to me thats enough killing for anyone.  A 3 to 1 rate of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths should satisfy even the most upset.

 

Perhaps thats 500 Hamas operatives dead, my guess.   Some will say they want all current Hamas operatives killed.

 

But that's not achievable without much larger palestinian deaths.   For me, enough is enough.  Israel will loose any moral high ground it had and the situation will be worse for Israel, not better.

 

Israel should strengthen its southern border with a larger no-go area and work towards a fair settlement of the Palestinian issue.

 

That's my view - outed for sure now.

 

This forum and reading diverse sources has helped me form this view. Thanks.

 

Your are from the UK? Alright. Try and think how the UK would react to a terrorist attack killing 10,000 people in single day. That's more or less the ratio. Factor in a long standing conflict, the barbarity of the murders and so on.

 

There is a revenge element, sure, but the rational argument is that the notion Hamas can be contained, reasoned with and so on is out the window.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Morch

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some other people may have placed it there ?

The octopus has been used numerous times before 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

You reason they understand slogans?

Enough to repeat them.

[Thorgal]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

A 20 years eco girl is also just a 20 years eco girl...she never supported Hamas publicly, and she never expressed something involving antisemitism and/or Judeophobia. 

 

I hope that this green eco girl didn't got in trouble because Hamas wears green bandana's and green cargo pants... it just fits the narrative of many online platforms, but exposes actually true and deep desperation...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653419/greta-thunberg-fury-pro-palestine-post-israel-hamas-terrorism-climate-change.html

[Eloquent pilgrim]

54 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

As you say correctly, I did not note that Hamas was not on the list of attendees.   

 

It did not occur to me to say it as I presumed it was obvious that Hamas would not be invited.  They are a proscribed terrorist group in many of the countries who are attending.

 

And as you say, I do want to be critical of countries that chose not to attend.  Talking about peace and and trying to come up with viable long term solutions is needed.   All my life, and before it, there's been a Palestinian conflict.  I want a fair solution, as do most people.  I am from the UK, with no religious beliefs.

 

You talk of 'outing me'.  A bit aggresive sounding, but up to you.

 

But given this chance to express my overall view of the aftermath of the Hamas attrocity, I'd like to make this point:

 

After 2 weeks, we are given by the UN and others figures such as 1,400 Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.  4,000 Palestinians killed since 7th, 30% of housing damaged in Gaza, 1m people moved.

 

Is that enough retribution ? Is it time to stop ?  Seems to me thats enough killing for anyone.  A 3 to 1 rate of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths should satisfy even the most upset.

 

Perhaps thats 500 Hamas operatives dead, my guess.   Some will say they want all current Hamas operatives killed.

 

But that's not achievable without much larger palestinian deaths.   For me, enough is enough.  Israel will loose any moral high ground it had and the situation will be worse for Israel, not better.

 

Israel should strengthen its southern border with a larger no-go area and work towards a fair settlement of the Palestinian issue.

 

That's my view - outed for sure now.

 

This forum and reading diverse sources has helped me form this view. Thanks.

 

You talk as if you didn’t know that it is in the founding charter of Hamas, and every manifesto they have published, to eradicate every jew in the world, and not just those in Israel. Given the interest you are showing in this war, you must have know that, but conveniently just ignored it.

 

Once you fully understand that, or admit you know it, you will realise that this war for Israel is not about retribution, despite your cynical question mark after your use of the word, and your other loaded questions. It is about their right to exist and not be wiped from the face of the earth. It is also about trying to rescue 200 odd hostages, or their dead bodies, another thing you failed to mention.

 

It is a sad reflection of how little you seem to understand about this war, that you use a ratio of dead bodies on either side as your reasoning for Israel to stop pursuing the terrorists that invaded their country and slaughtered more than a thousand innocent civilians, including babies, women, children, the old, pregnant women, and the disabled.

 

That notwithstanding, and fully acknowledging the human tragedy of innocent Palestinians being killed, the blood of every one of them is on the hands of their elected government, Hamas.

 

If Israel do not eradicate Hamas, they will, before long, suffer another massacre like the 7th October as Hamas will continue to pursue its dictum to eradicate all jews.

 

Telling that you are only demanding that Israel stop. Maybe try telling Hamas to return all hostages, stop firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians in Israel (something else you forgot to mention) lay down all armaments, surrender themselves unconditionally to stand trial at a war crimes tribunal in the Hague, and Israel will not need to pursue this war any further.