Bkk Brian Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, RanongCat said: Indeed Hamas are exactly as you state and despite some recognition of the puppeteering manipulation used to justify motivation for the attack on Israel the definition of hostage vs prisoner gets blurred once a status of war is declared. In probability there will be an extended stand off in negotiations . Surprisingly and despite assumptions of radical extremism Hamas has demonstrated some level of control over the collective Islamic terrorist groups who / which if were to follow Taliban extremism would by now have murdered the majority of captives. Hopefully a practical degree of rational negotiations will secure these victims. If so what eventuates immediately after is a question that will always be present . ^^ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: I asked you earlier where you got these figures from but you did not answer Direct off the Hamas fanboy page, where else, Aljazeera/UNICEF, so that won't count in your eyes then. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Jeff the Chef said: Direct off the Hamas fanboy page, where else, Aljazeera/UNICEF, so that won't count in your eyes then. And where do Al Jazeera / UNICEF get those figures from ...... think carefully Jeff, because you won't like the answer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, RanongCat said: Iran backed . Not Iran itself. Hamas is apparently using US equipment. Does that mean they are US backed? Anyone can buy arms on the black market, plenty of America, Russian, North Korean, Iranian arms about. That doesn't imply support. If a country actually supplies arms to another country/organization that would be counted as support. Not too complicated. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: And where do Al Jazeera / UNICEF get those figures from ...... think carefully Jeff, because you won't like the answer AJ has his own team in Gaza. The reporters' family was killed this week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: From those results, it looks like Israel is winning this war Palestinians took an early lead , but Israel came from behind and have now taken the lead What a lovely way to look at nearly 10,000 deaths on both sides, hope your so proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 56 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Mr Mojo. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: What and get it taken down because it doesn't suit the Israeli narrative, like the last one, lol Post nonsense, or from unauthorised sources and it will be removed as per forum rules. Are you accusing the forum of having an Israeli bias? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: What and get it taken down because it doesn't suit the Israeli narrative, like the last one, lol Your last one got removed because it was fake news , or the link that you provided didn't match your claims . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: AJ has his own team in Gaza. The reporters' family was killed this week... If Hamas terrorists had not butchered over 1000 Israelis on Oct 7th they would not have to be there and his family would still be alive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: And where do Al Jazeera / UNICEF get those figures from ...... think carefully Jeff, because you won't like the answer Your right, I don't like any amount of deaths no matter where the information comes from. I guess your going to say Hamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: What a lovely way to look at nearly 10,000 deaths on both sides, hope your so proud. Its a war isn't it , people die in wars, always have done, its nothing new or different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Your last one got removed because it was fake news , or the link that you provided didn't match your claims . You believe whatever you want, I saw it about 5 years ago, the latest one about the old man in shock looked real enough to me and I'm well aware you won't but suck it up the truth will get out eventually. Hamas are barbarians and the IDF are just as bad but with better press. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Its a war isn't it , people die in wars, always have done, its nothing new or different Yep, RIP to 1400 Jews and RIP to 7,000 Palestinians 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Your right, I don't like any amount of deaths no matter where the information comes from. I guess your going to say Hamas. Don't seem to recall you posting any condemnation of the deaths of Oct 7th though Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Morch said: Anyone can buy arms on the black market, plenty of America, Russian, North Korean, Iranian arms about. That doesn't imply support. If a country actually supplies arms to another country/organization that would be counted as support. Not too complicated. Again you missed it ! I asked a question. I did not make an accusation. You have lost your journalistic aplomb and lecturer style of assertion because you are aware that there is increasing resistance to and suspicion over the retaliatory actions of the IDF and US " unconditional support" ! Sobbing in the background is Zelensky who can not but help notice the limited funding for war is being split for Israel. A bitter pill for the President of a nation who literally weeks ago received same affirmations of support. Same neo Nation that is now increasingly being pummeled in minimally reported Russian advances . Who you gonna Trust ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Jeff the Chef said: Yep, RIP to 1400 Jews and RIP to 7,000 Palestinians Figures from where- the Guardian? I thought you said the IDF had a better press? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, proton said: Don't seem to recall you posting any condemnation of the deaths of Oct 7th though Geoff Its Jeff or Sir to you and try going back to the beginning of any of these threads for my condemnation of both sides 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Thorgal said: AJ has his own team in Gaza. The reporters' family was killed this week... As was the female reporter and whose team came under persistent sniper fire irregardless of Press Identity clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Yep, RIP to 1400 Jews and RIP to 7,000 Palestinians Save all the condolences until the final whistle, wait until the final score is in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Its Jeff or Sir to you and try going back to the beginning of any of these threads for my condemnation of both sides Post a link then of you condemning the Hamas murders on Oct 7th, it wont get deleted, cookie. Edited October 27, 2023 by proton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted October 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, proton said: Post a link then of you condemning the Hamas murders on Oct 7th, it wont get deleted You got eyes in your head go read. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Jeff the Chef said: You got eyes in your head go read. You can't do it then 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Your right, I don't like any amount of deaths no matter where the information comes from. I guess your going to say Hamas. All casualty figures from Gaza come from the Gaza Health Authority, irrespective of where they are eventually published. They are under the strict control of Hamas. I am not trying to deny that thousands have been killed in Gaza, but it is difficult to give the numbers they report any credence, given that Hamas (successfully) manipulate them for propaganda purposes. Remember they claimed the hospital had been bombed by Israel, and that 500 had been killed; both of these statements have been proved to be utterly false, so difficult to believe anything they say. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said: All casualty figures from Gaza come from the Gaza Health Authority, irrespective of where they are eventually published. They are under the strict control of Hamas. I am not trying to deny that thousands have been killed in Gaza, but it is difficult to give the numbers they report any credence, given that Hamas (successfully) manipulate them for propaganda purposes. Remember they claimed the hospital had been bombed by Israel, and that 500 had been killed; both of these statements have been proved to be utterly false, so difficult to believe anything they say. Jeff the cook believes every word 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Elimination is the only answer. The unemployment rate in Gaza is 47% and more than 80% of its population lives in poverty, according to the United Nations, Hamas, however, has funded an armed force of thousands equipped with rockets and drones and built a vast web of tunnels under Gaza, estimates of its annual military budget range from $100 million to $350 million, according to Israeli and Palestinian sources. As the U.S. House and Senate will be asking in separate hearings Wednesday and Thursday, where does all that cash come from? Since coming to power in the Gaza Strip 17 years ago, Hamas has filled its coffers with hundreds of millions in international aid, overt and covert injections of cash from Iran and other ideological partners, as well as cryptocurrency, taxes, extortion and smuggling, according to current and former U.S. officials and regional experts. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Yeah, war is a terrible thing, if you don't like them don't start them. The UN say Civilians and soldiers Around 1,400 Israelis and foreigners have been killed since 7 October, including 308 IDF soldiers, 10 Shin Bet agents and 58 police officers and at least 5,132 wounded. The casualties also include approximately 70 dead or missing Arab-Israeli citizens, many of whom are Negev Bedouin. How many Palestinians have died in Gaza? Death toll in Gaza rises to more than 7,000 people, including nearly 3,000 children, Palestinian officials say, up to today. And your point is? I mean, other than quoting casualty figures supplied by Hamas? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: Yep, RIP to 1400 Jews and RIP to 7,000 Palestinians Are you giving your "R.I.P" to the Palestinian Hamas terrorists who murdered babies and burnt them to death and murdered the 250 festival attenders and took child hostages back to Gaza and who have since been killed by the I.D.F Are you giving condolences to those evil inhumane scumbags ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Elimination is the only answer. The unemployment rate in Gaza is 47% and more than 80% of its population lives in poverty, according to the United Nations, Hamas, however, has funded an armed force of thousands equipped with rockets and drones and built a vast web of tunnels under Gaza, estimates of its annual military budget range from $100 million to $350 million, according to Israeli and Palestinian sources. As the U.S. House and Senate will be asking in separate hearings Wednesday and Thursday, where does all that cash come from? Since coming to power in the Gaza Strip 17 years ago, Hamas has filled its coffers with hundreds of millions in international aid, overt and covert injections of cash from Iran and other ideological partners, as well as cryptocurrency, taxes, extortion and smuggling, according to current and former U.S. officials and regional experts. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099 Updated Middle Eastern Albright sociology ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: What and get it taken down because it doesn't suit the Israeli narrative, like the last one, lol You can always try and find acceptable sources, like most people do. There's a forum policy regarding sources etc., nothing to do with your nonsense allegations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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