Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Israel does not occupy Gaza. Next where did I said that Israel occupied Gaza, the article pointed out that Israel has been invading Gaza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Mavideol said: where did I said that Israel occupied Gaza, the article pointed out that Israel has been invading Gaza She did "“Israel cannot claim the right of self-defence against a threat that emanates from a territory it occupies, from a territory that is under belligerent occupation,” she said." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Morch said: No, she doesn't. If she thought she had a good point she'd push it through UN bodies to get a more 'official' condemnation. because u don't like what she said it doesn't mean that her point it's incorrect, people have the right to their own opinion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 We have done the war Crimes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 4:22 PM, Yellowtail said: So, if we were discussing the best way to lay bricks, the carpenter's opinion is just as valid as the bricklayer's, got it. If the bricklayer is Yozzer Hughes, perhaps, more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Morch said: She did "“Israel cannot claim the right of self-defence against a threat that emanates from a territory it occupies, from a territory that is under belligerent occupation,” she said." so it wasn't me, correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mavideol said: Israel has committed war crime after war crime and should be taken accountable for such actions, they can not claim self defense as self defense only works when another country/state attacks you, since Palestine is not a country and/nor state thus the international war laws were violated.. Israel has ‘no right’ to wage war: UN She said Israel could not claim self-defence in the laws of war because that could only be prescribed when under threat from another state. “Israel cannot claim the right of self-defence against a threat that emanates from a territory it occupies, from a territory that is under belligerent occupation,” she said. https://au.yahoo.com/news/israel-no-wage-war-un-041700618.html What? An opinion piece. She also opinions that "Israel has no right self defence" B.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thorgal said: I'm mostly confronted with the same phenomenon that my knowledge of Israel is often higher or better than average Israel sympathizers. This can be for political, historical, religious and more general facts about Israel. I didn't see any antisemite (Judeophobic) post in this topic. Anti-Zionism is acceptable as it's a political and colonial ideology. It's not racist. My posts might be labeled by others as incorrect, false, misleading, based on dodgy sources, off topic and so on because they have not the maturity (ability to adapt and to accept) for such debates. The hasbara fellowship runs at overdrive and the content will no more be discussed. The messenger receives full discredit because he's better informed. 8 x "you" = non content based critics, only messenger attack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mavideol said: she still has a good point though What point might that be? Pretending Gaza is occupied so she can claim Israel is committing war crimes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 I'm more interested in the Rats once there cornered with no where to hide in Al-shifa Hospital will they use the Hospital itself then to fight inside it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mavideol said: because u don't like what she said it doesn't mean that her point it's incorrect, people have the right to their own opinion I don't like her or what she says - and I also think she does not have much of a point. Having a right to an opinion doesn't mean all opinions are valid (see above, this point was just discussed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted November 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Thorgal said: I'm mostly confronted with the same phenomenon that my knowledge of Israel is often higher or better than average Israel sympathizers. This can be for political, historical, religious and more general facts about Israel. I didn't see any antisemite (Judeophobic) post in this topic. Anti-Zionism is acceptable as it's a political and colonial ideology. It's not racist. My posts might be labeled by others as incorrect, false, misleading, based on dodgy sources, off topic and so on because they have not the maturity (ability to adapt and to accept) for such debates. The hasbara fellowship runs at overdrive and the content will no more be discussed. The messenger receives full discredit because he's better informed. 8 x "you" = non content based critics, only messenger attack I didn't see any antisemite (Judeophobic) post in this topic. Been deleted by the mods including your latest video 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: What? An opinion piece. She also opinions that "Israel has no right self defence" B.S. that's her opinion and you have the right to yours, nothing wrong with that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Mavideol said: that's her opinion and you have the right to yours, nothing wrong with that Her opinion is clearly wrong, everybody has a right to self defense including Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: What point might that be? Pretending Gaza is occupied so she can claim Israel is committing war crimes? it's unbelievable how some become so defensive with certain topics, let the lady have her piece of mind as I think she would let you have yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Her opinion is clearly wrong, everybody has a right to self defense including Israel because it doesn't fit your believes it doesn't mean she's wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mavideol said: so it wasn't me, correct? You posted the link, without much comment, so one assumes you agree with it. And regardless, the point remains - Israel does not actually occupy the Gaza Strip. This makes her 'point' just a but of lame sophistry. Given her history, views and the post she currently hold - expecting her to be anything but biased is a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Mavideol said: it's unbelievable how some become so defensive with certain topics, let the lady have her piece of mind as I think she would let you have yours Yes she's had her right, now we are expressing ours, her opinion not based on any legal basis, she is wrong, everyone including Israel has a right to self defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Mavideol said: because it doesn't fit your believes it doesn't mean she's wrong Yes it does in my opinion and via law got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mavideol said: it's unbelievable how some become so defensive with certain topics, let the lady have her piece of mind as I think she would let you have yours We are posters on an internet forum in Thailand. Our opinions don't matter much and do not get much exposure. She's a UN official. What she says is considered by others, it gets traction and so on. It's not the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Morch said: You posted the link, without much comment, so one assumes you agree with it. And regardless, the point remains - Israel does not actually occupy the Gaza Strip. This makes her 'point' just a but of lame sophistry. Given her history, views and the post she currently hold - expecting her to be anything but biased is a laugh. one should never assume anything unless has proof or it can turn into making an "ass of u & me" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, Mavideol said: Israel has committed war crime after war crime and should be taken accountable for such actions, they can not claim self defense as self defense only works when another country/state attacks you, since Palestine is not a country and/nor state thus the international war laws were violated.. Israel has ‘no right’ to wage war: UN She said Israel could not claim self-defence in the laws of war because that could only be prescribed when under threat from another state. “Israel cannot claim the right of self-defence against a threat that emanates from a territory it occupies, from a territory that is under belligerent occupation,” she said. https://au.yahoo.com/news/israel-no-wage-war-un-041700618.html You’ve come waltzing onto this topic and immediately shown what a remarkable lack of knowledge you have about the issue. For emphasis, you have copied and pasted a passage from the link, in bold font, saying that Israel cannot claim the right of self defence from a territory it occupies. You did not even know that Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2006, yet you post this nonsense …. I wonder why ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 A baiting troll post and a reply have been removed as they violate our Community Standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, coolcarer said: Another one who deflects the truth when he’s presented with it. Same as the poster he was trying to back. Troll I do not deflect from truth. Truth to date is yet to be determined, no longer is written by the victors. I have no qualms debating these significant and consequential matters openly, whether my viewpoint is adverse or not to otherwise opinion, I do not stoop to absorbing rhetoric for any influence. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mavideol said: because u don't like what she said it doesn't mean that her point it's incorrect, people have the right to their own opinion Yes, people have a right to their own opinion, but not to their own facts. Your state your opinion, but present is as fact by linking to someone else's opinion. I would call you a liar, but you likely believe your idiocy. I would call you deceitful, but you have deceived no one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mavideol said: because it doesn't fit your believes it doesn't mean she's wrong I think that she might legally be wrong . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: You’ve come waltzing onto this topic and immediately shown what a remarkable lack of knowledge you have about the issue. For emphasis, you have copied and pasted a passage from the link, in bold font, saying that Israel cannot claim the right of self defence from a territory it occupies. You did not even know that Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2006, yet you post this nonsense …. I wonder why ? and you have come waltzing onto this topic with the only purpose of negativity and arrogance, u know nothing about me and it's better that way just try to be more understanding in the near future, bye bye 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Paul Catton said: I do not deflect from truth. Truth to date is yet to be determined, no longer is written by the victors. I have no qualms debating these significant and consequential matters openly, whether my viewpoint is adverse or not to otherwise opinion, I do not stoop to absorbing rhetoric for any influence. You’re not getting this are you. The poster was claiming numerous times that babies were being killed by Israel every ten minutes. It was a lie. That is the truth and fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: I think that she might legally be wrong . that's possible and I didn't claim she was right, just posted her opinion as many other have posted other reporters opinions, free speech 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mavideol said: and you have come waltzing onto this topic with the only purpose of negativity and arrogance, u know nothing about me and it's better that way just try to be more understanding in the near future, bye bye Well, I know enough about you to understand that you did not know that Israel does not occupy Gaza, otherwise you would not have pasted a statement from someone saying that Israel does not have the right of self defence from a territory it occupies. She is not stating an opinion, she is putting an incorrect statement forward as fact, and you believed it and are still trying to defend it. Nothing arrogant about pointing out something that is factually incorrect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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