Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul Catton said: Was it 1 baby, 2, 3 or more? Were their parents legitimate targets IDF and caught in the crossfire living within close proximity to the worlds largest open prison? Did the Hamas force just attack the IDF bases and take some hostages, followed bythe repressed population who also went through the wire and exacted vengeance for their lost children, brothers, sisters, parents. How much is propaganda, how much is truth - never the twain will meet An Eye for an Eye will makes us all blind except for last man standing with impaired vision. What a remarkably sick comment of denial and deflection; when I read your first few comments I thought you might be posting objectively, but your anti-Israeli rhetoric didn’t take long to come bubbling to the surface …. crossfire, are you serious (rhetorical) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Sleepy is a liar. He has a lot to gain with control of the middle east oil fields. Bush had a go too, with an equally unjust war. Can you explain how this conflict will lead to US control of the middle east oil fields? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Sick denialism, shameful rhetoric when verified video and image evidence clearly exists. Not true, from a pure objective legal viewpoint he's right : contrary to your words, International Law stablish that the occupation power is responsible for the well being of all civilians in its territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Lacrimas said: shalom means peace and rabbi means master. seeing antisemitism everywhere? get help! Just call him "Master" in future then , foreign words aren't allowed on here . Will you be calling him "Master" in future ? If so, could you do likewise to me as well ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lacrimas said: I proved the claims providing the law and by saying that the law is being used, in daily life, to shut people's mouths. In Europe you can't say a Jew can be a bad person without being looked down as antisemitic. That is absolutely nothing to do with what you originally said; you said it was against the law to criticise Israel in some countries, which it is not; now you have changed it to being looked down upon as antisemitic for calling a jew a bad person. That is nothing to do with the law of any country, you just made up lies to suit your twisted narrative. You keep making things up. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Thorgal said: So Israel is not allowing water, electricity and gas to Gaza for it's own citizens (the Israeli hostages)... The hostages are worth a lot more to hamas than the Palestinians. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, Paul Catton said: I wouldn't raise my family next to an "open prison" herded with repressed people that have had their mother, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters and infants that have been killed the populace on the other side of the fence. Excellent piece of victim blaming Paul Catton ..... a job awaits you at the BBC or the Guardian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said: What a remarkably sick comment of denial and deflection; when I read your first few comments I thought you might be posting objectively, but your anti-Israeli rhetoric didn’t take long to come bubbling to the surface …. crossfire, are you serious (rhetorical) Neither denial nor deflection. I have spent a considerable time in the middle east. I am agnostic and have no tolerance for crimes against humanity committed by any and all religious zealots on a tit for tat basis throughout ancient, modern and "very recent" history. All actions conducted today, starts a continuance tomorrow etc... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacrimas Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Just call him "Master" in future then , foreign words aren't allowed on here . Will you be calling him "Master" in future ? If so, could you do likewise to me as well ? sure, master ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacrimas Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Excellent piece of victim blaming Paul Catton ..... a job awaits you at the BBC or the Guardian Lol a liberal... I knew it, let's go Brandon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Not true, from a pure objective legal viewpoint he's right : contrary to your words, International Law stablish that the occupation power is responsible for the well being of all civilians in its territory. Which parts of this are right exactly, let me know? & tell me why my response was contrary to the words? When your done with that I'll get back to you on international law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Excellent piece of victim blaming Paul Catton ..... a job awaits you at the BBC or the Guardian BBC preferably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Paul Catton said: Not denial, not rhetoric either, advise where the corresponding video or images of beheading or sadistic throat slashing are, as similar to Uncle Joe, we all have seen them, but we haven't. Nah, I read your post and that's exactly what it was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Paul Catton said: BBC preferably. You’ll need to wear a nice frock, or tell them that you’re gender indeterminate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 17 hours ago, RanongCat said: If the IDF genuinely intend only to seek and destroy Hamas agents can they explain the shelling on southern areas the Gazans have been instructed to retreat to? Yes, Hamas are firing rockets from the southern areas using the civilians as human shields, this report from one of the southern cities they have evacuated to: Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed And it is not as if this city is safe from harm. It is regularly bombed - it is still in a warzone. Collapsed buildings and piles of rubble litter the streets. I heard rocket launches from near the hospital, as Hamas continues to strike inside Israel. That is an open invitation for retaliation. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67116403 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes, Hamas are firing rockets from the southern areas using the civilians as human shields, this report from one of the southern cities they have evacuated to: Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed And it is not as if this city is safe from harm. It is regularly bombed - it is still in a warzone. Collapsed buildings and piles of rubble litter the streets. I heard rocket launches from near the hospital, as Hamas continues to strike inside Israel. That is an open invitation for retaliation. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67116403 Oh ! So humanitarian Principles fail on both sides? Israel says "go here" and Hamas says " Yeah, do it ! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, RanongCat said: I'm sorry but I would rate that as a cop out. There will be many non Palestinians who were originally "granted" access to Gaza for reason well justified by International humanitarian justification that even the extremist Israeli authorities could not easily deny. My question aligns with the numerous enquiries being made on behalf of foreign entities known to be trapped inside Gaza who by no definition are dual citizens at all ! If the IDF genuinely intend only to seek and destroy Hamas agents can they explain the shelling on southern areas the Gazans have been instructed to retreat to? The Rafah crossing was closed by admitted Israeli shelling. The evidence of actions that supports the genocidal intent of Israel is accumulating almost hourly now. While the bias of propaganda will sadly taint reports the statistics indicate 60% of deaths in Gaza to date have been women and children. Even if that is an exaggeration it remains a fact that these are civilian victims of a bombing and shelling campaign in equal inhumane retaliation to the (reported ? ) impact of the gross Hamas assault. Intentional or not that mirrors the horrors of the ethnic cleansing Israel perpetrated on the Palestinians who plus ensuing generations have been enclaved in the Gaza strip ever since Two wrongs do not make a right. While Israelis may be being "justifiably" incensed to a renewed distraction from Netanyahu's historic record of gross corruption unfortunately the potential for a wider conflagration involving several Muslim countries who feel both genuine core Islamic compulsion to confront Israel is being genuinely considered . As the US has found military resistance and capacity in surrounding territories is not so easily overcome. While Hamas may have some sympathies it is Hezbollah that commands a more serious capacity and support that threatens demonstration. The threat of exterminational ( is that not word ? ) conflicts are currently expanding in potential driven by the basic ignorance of irrational emotional subscription to the dictate of politically endowed social psychopaths. TWIF'd expanding in potential Some paragraph editing will be appreciated. Not a cop out. I was giving my opinion as to what I think Israeli reasoning is based on, and what are their motivations. It is true that there are clear cases where passage could be granted, but announcing such a move would inevitably result in all semi-applicable cases showing up as well. This would create the same sort of situation Egypt tries to avoid. From a PR point of view, it would be a disaster. I'm not sure if I expanded or explained well enough one of the security issues. Opening the border pass in this manner will require a time window in which the border pass will be manned by Israelis, no Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip. Quite a lot of Israelis to be lumped together on Hamas's front door. Even with ceasefire, trusting Hamas not to for it would be a major gamble. I am not aware that areas designated as 'safe' for evacuees were attacked by the IAF. Not saying it did not happen, but not aware of such. Mistakes can happen on a battle zone, so there's that. But a deliberate attack as you imply? Probably not. Almost all of the casualty figures from Gaza originate from the local ministry of health, controlled by Hamas. In past instances, casualty figure claims were routinely inflated in various ways. When the dust settles, there are usually three differing tallies remaining - the Hamas's, Israel's and the UN's. There are a whole lot of civilian casualties, No one denies the fact. But there is a difference, even if some on here refuse to accept it, between deliberately targeting civilians (as in the Hamas attack) and what Israel does. It might be hard to grasp, but International law does not actually afford civilians full protections from all instances of war. It doesn't make it righteous, pretty or nice, or good. It's how it is. I was answering your questions seriously until I ran into the 'genocide' nonsense now. If what Israel does is indeed a 'genocide' or if Israel had such intentions, than it is going about it in a very half-arsed manner. Genocide would not include a call for civilians to evacuate, then bomb empty buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Which parts of this are right exactly, let me know? & tell me why my response was contrary to the words? When your done with that I'll get back to you on international law. I agree with Paul and the protesting Israeli's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Oh ! So humanitarian Principles fail on both sides? Israel says "go here" and Hamas says " Yeah, do it ! ? ? No that's not it................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: You’ll need to wear a nice frock, or tell them that you’re gender indeterminate Paul is a masculine name and my own, so I wont hide behind a frock. Can't really see myself in drag and I don't think my children would forgive me if I told them that Dad is now non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: I agree with Paul and the protesting Israeli's. He made an incoherent post no wonder you agree with it..........lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Morch said: Some paragraph editing will be appreciated. Not a cop out. I was giving my opinion as to what I think Israeli reasoning is based on, and what are their motivations. It is true that there are clear cases where passage could be granted, but announcing such a move would inevitably result in all semi-applicable cases showing up as well. This would create the same sort of situation Egypt tries to avoid. From a PR point of view, it would be a disaster. I'm not sure if I expanded or explained well enough one of the security issues. Opening the border pass in this manner will require a time window in which the border pass will be manned by Israelis, no Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip. Quite a lot of Israelis to be lumped together on Hamas's front door. Even with ceasefire, trusting Hamas not to for it would be a major gamble. I am not aware that areas designated as 'safe' for evacuees were attacked by the IAF. Not saying it did not happen, but not aware of such. Mistakes can happen on a battle zone, so there's that. But a deliberate attack as you imply? Probably not. Almost all of the casualty figures from Gaza originate from the local ministry of health, controlled by Hamas. In past instances, casualty figure claims were routinely inflated in various ways. When the dust settles, there are usually three differing tallies remaining - the Hamas's, Israel's and the UN's. There are a whole lot of civilian casualties, No one denies the fact. But there is a difference, even if some on here refuse to accept it, between deliberately targeting civilians (as in the Hamas attack) and what Israel does. It might be hard to grasp, but International law does not actually afford civilians full protections from all instances of war. It doesn't make it righteous, pretty or nice, or good. It's how it is. I was answering your questions seriously until I ran into the 'genocide' nonsense now. If what Israel does is indeed a 'genocide' or if Israel had such intentions, than it is going about it in a very half-arsed manner. Genocide would not include a call for civilians to evacuate, then bomb empty buildings. Still a cop out ! Is it an assertion or a fact Israel is only bombing empty buildings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: He made an incoherent post no wonder you agree with it..........lol At least I made you laugh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Paul Catton said: Paul is a masculine name and my own, so I wont hide behind a frock. Can't really see myself in drag and I don't think my children would forgive me if I told them that Dad is now non existent. I fully understand, but you wouldn't get past the first interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Some Israeli families call PM Netanyahu a "traitor", because there was insufficient security for the settlers and soldiers. To leave Gaza like Hamas did is impossible. https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/israeli-protestors-call-pm-netanyahu-traitor-103982146 Some American families call Joe Biden, Donald Trump and Abraham Lincon traitors, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Yellowtail said: Some American families call Joe Biden, Donald Trump and Abraham Lincon traitors, Can somebody calibrate this AI bot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, RanongCat said: Still a cop out ! Is it an assertion or a fact Israel is only bombing empty buildings ? I answered your questions, patiently even. I have provided answers, which you may not like, but are reasonable and fact based. I have pointed several inaccuracies and so on in your post. You can't handle it, so you shout 'cop out'. I did said 'only', that's your addition. The point was that asking people to evacuate before you bomb them is counterproductive if you wish to carry on a proper genocide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Still a cop out ! Is it an assertion or a fact Israel is only bombing empty buildings ? Its a pity that the Gaza's local ministry of health only gives numbers of civilians killed and not the amount of Hamas terrorists that were killed as well. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Morch said: Some paragraph editing will be appreciated. Not a cop out. I was giving my opinion as to what I think Israeli reasoning is based on, and what are their motivations. It is true that there are clear cases where passage could be granted, but announcing such a move would inevitably result in all semi-applicable cases showing up as well. This would create the same sort of situation Egypt tries to avoid. From a PR point of view, it would be a disaster. I'm not sure if I expanded or explained well enough one of the security issues. Opening the border pass in this manner will require a time window in which the border pass will be manned by Israelis, no Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip. Quite a lot of Israelis to be lumped together on Hamas's front door. Even with ceasefire, trusting Hamas not to for it would be a major gamble. I am not aware that areas designated as 'safe' for evacuees were attacked by the IAF. Not saying it did not happen, but not aware of such. Mistakes can happen on a battle zone, so there's that. But a deliberate attack as you imply? Probably not. Almost all of the casualty figures from Gaza originate from the local ministry of health, controlled by Hamas. In past instances, casualty figure claims were routinely inflated in various ways. When the dust settles, there are usually three differing tallies remaining - the Hamas's, Israel's and the UN's. There are a whole lot of civilian casualties, No one denies the fact. But there is a difference, even if some on here refuse to accept it, between deliberately targeting civilians (as in the Hamas attack) and what Israel does. It might be hard to grasp, but International law does not actually afford civilians full protections from all instances of war. It doesn't make it righteous, pretty or nice, or good. It's how it is. I was answering your questions seriously until I ran into the 'genocide' nonsense now. If what Israel does is indeed a 'genocide' or if Israel had such intentions, than it is going about it in a very half-arsed manner. Genocide would not include a call for civilians to evacuate, then bomb empty buildings. A small aside but I am curious about the "authoratative " language you use as if in possession of some superior source of information? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, RanongCat said: A small aside but I am curious about the "authoratative " language you use as if in possession of some superior source of information? I'm mildly curious about your emotive, hysterical language as well, as if this was effecting you personally or something? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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