I Lived Abroad For 11 Years. This Is The Thing That Shocked Me Most When I Moved Back To The U.S

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lived-abroad-11-years-thing-123039252.html

In this article an expat describes her travails in getting decent health care insurance. After being duped by 2 organizations - the kind that the Trump administration fostered - she finally gets insured by Medicaid.

Any BS seems to do, when it comes to bash Trump.

Stupid is as stupid does. Not a very bright woman. Get a job and you will have insurance. Medicaid is not Obamacare but for deadbeats who do not work.

Just now, Sigmund said:

Any BS seems to do, when it comes to bash Trump.

Another poster with "Trump derangement Syndrome."

3 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Stupid is as stupid does. Not a very bright woman. Get a job and you will have insurance. Medicaid is not Obamacare but for deadbeats who do not work.

Really? And what should she do until she gets a job? Hope that no health emergency arises?  Is insurance mandatory for employers to provide? Do employers of low wage earners typically provide medical insurance? It's true that employer provided insurance has improved since, thanks to Obamacare, employers are limited to a maiximum 90 day waiting period before an employee must be covered by insurance. And right now, unemployment is at record lows. Sooner or later there will be a recession. What happens to laid off workers then? And thanks to Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions can't be denied insurance and there is a cap on how much they can be charged.

13 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Another poster with "Trump derangement Syndrome."

How Trump gave insurance companies free rein to sell bad health plans
Obamacare wasn’t repealed. Trump’s deregulation is eroding it anyway.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/30/21275498/trump-obamacare-repeal-short-term-health-care-insurance-scam

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

How Trump gave insurance companies free rein to sell bad health plans
Obamacare wasn’t repealed. Trump’s deregulation is eroding it anyway.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/30/21275498/trump-obamacare-repeal-short-term-health-care-insurance-scam

Why is Biden not fixing it? 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why is Biden not fixing it? 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/07/07/fact-sheetpresident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-lower-health-care-costs-and-protect-consumers-from-scam-insurance-plans-and-junk-fees-as-part-of-bidenomics-push/

 

And Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans. 

Obamacare enrollment hits record high after Biden makes post-Trump tweaks to health insurance program

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/07/07/fact-sheetpresident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-lower-health-care-costs-and-protect-consumers-from-scam-insurance-plans-and-junk-fees-as-part-of-bidenomics-push/

 

And Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans. 

Obamacare enrollment hits record high after Biden makes post-Trump tweaks to health insurance program

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

At least for non-tax paying middle class Americans. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Any BS seems to do, when it comes to bash Trump.

Well IMHO he deserves to be bashed, every day.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

At least for non-tax paying middle class Americans. 

 

 

Got any proof to back up your claim?

Just now, placeholder said:

Got any proof to back up your claim?

After you

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? And what should she do until she gets a job?

You are right. 

Maybe the US is the only Western country that has this system. 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

After you

I made no claim. You did.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

You are right. 

Maybe the US is the only Western country that has this system. 

In most countires, developed and otherwise, health insurance isn't tied to employment. That's in countries that offer health insurance. In some countries health care is government financed.

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I made no claim. You did.

Was this not you, and was that not your claim? :

Edited November 2, 20232 yr by Yellowtail
clarity

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Was this not you, and was that not your claim? :

I asked you for evidence. You replied "After you". But I already have provided evidence. You've provided nothing. Which is because you have nothing.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In most countires, developed and otherwise, health insurance isn't tied to employment. That's in countries that offer health insurance. In some countries health care is government financed.

Yes, system needs to be changed.

But no need to get into bashing any particular president because it has been like that forever. 

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I asked you for evidence. You replied "After you". But I already have provided evidence. You've provided nothing. Which is because you have nothing.

 

You claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." , yet the links you provide do not support that. 

 

Did you actually read them? I don't think so. 

 

Nothing indeed. 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." , yet the links you provide do not support that. 

 

Did you actually read them? I don't think so. 

 

Nothing indeed. 

I can't say whether you read the articles or not. But if you did, you clearly didn't understand the plain English of the text. 

"Biden’s Covid relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, “dramatically expands the financial subsidies” available to help Obamacare enrollees purchase private insurance plans on ACA exchanges “both in terms of those eligible and how much they receive,” Gaba noted.

An estimated 2 million more people became eligible to purchase Obamacare plans at low cost because of the ARP.

The law also eliminated the cap that zeroed out subsidies for Obamacare plans for households that earned more than four times the federal poverty level."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

 

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I can't say whether you read the articles or not. But if you did, you clearly didn't understand the plain English of the text. 

"Biden’s Covid relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, “dramatically expands the financial subsidies” available to help Obamacare enrollees purchase private insurance plans on ACA exchanges “both in terms of those eligible and how much they receive,” Gaba noted.

An estimated 2 million more people became eligible to purchase Obamacare plans at low cost because of the ARP.

The law also eliminated the cap that zeroed out subsidies for Obamacare plans for households that earned more than four times the federal poverty level."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

 

 

Again, you claimed: You claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." .

 

How does that lower that cost of Obama care? It will only drive the cost up and ultimately cost taxpayer more. 

She didn’t read the “fine print”

Just now, Yellowtail said:

 

Again, you claimed: You claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." .

 

How does that lower that cost of Obama care? It will only drive the cost up and ultimately cost taxpayer more. 

I cited a fact. It's a fact because it has already occurred.

What you offer is a prediction. Now, if you have proof you're a time traveler, you've made an excellent point. Otherwise, you've got nothing.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I cited a fact. It's a fact because it has already occurred.

What you offer is a prediction. Now, if you have proof you're a time traveler, you've made an excellent point. Otherwise, you've got nothing.

 

No, you just think it's a fact. Again, you claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." .

 

How has Biden lowered the cost of Obamacare?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

 

No, you just think it's a fact. Again, you claimed: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans." .

 

How has Biden lowered the cost of Obamacare?

I will post this again in the probably vain hope that you will either finally read it, or, if you have done that, finally understand it.

"Biden’s Covid relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, “dramatically expands the financial subsidies” available to help Obamacare enrollees purchase private insurance plans on ACA exchanges “both in terms of those eligible and how much they receive,” Gaba noted.

An estimated 2 million more people became eligible to purchase Obamacare plans at low cost because of the ARP.

The law also eliminated the cap that zeroed out subsidies for Obamacare plans for households that earned more than four times the federal poverty level."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

 

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I will post this again in the probably vain hope that you will either finally read it, or, if you have done that, finally understand it.

"Biden’s Covid relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, “dramatically expands the financial subsidies” available to help Obamacare enrollees purchase private insurance plans on ACA exchanges “both in terms of those eligible and how much they receive,” Gaba noted.

An estimated 2 million more people became eligible to purchase Obamacare plans at low cost because of the ARP.

The law also eliminated the cap that zeroed out subsidies for Obamacare plans for households that earned more than four times the federal poverty level."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

 

Just make it free for poor people.

Just now, placeholder said:

I will post this again in the probably vain hope that you will either finally read it, or, if you have done that, finally understand it.

"Biden’s Covid relief bill, the American Rescue Plan, “dramatically expands the financial subsidies” available to help Obamacare enrollees purchase private insurance plans on ACA exchanges “both in terms of those eligible and how much they receive,” Gaba noted.

An estimated 2 million more people became eligible to purchase Obamacare plans at low cost because of the ARP.

The law also eliminated the cap that zeroed out subsidies for Obamacare plans for households that earned more than four times the federal poverty level."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/obamacare-enrollment-hits-record-high-after-biden-makes-changes.html

 

 

I've read it several times and I think it is you that is confused. You claimed that: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans."

 

Is this some kind of "Bidenomics"? 

 

Taking money from one group and giving it to another group in the form of subsidies to pay for Obamacare, does not reduce the cost of Obamacare. If Biden actually reduced the cost of Obamacare, the price would come down without subsidies. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

Just make it free for poor people.

Health care in the US is already free for the poor, has been for at least 50 years. 

Just now, bignok said:

Just make it free for poor people.

It is.

 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

 

I've read it several times and I think it is you that is confused. You claimed that: "Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans."

 

Is this some kind of "Bidenomics"? 

 

Taking money from one group and giving it to another group in the form of subsidies to pay for Obamacare, does not reduce the cost of Obamacare. If Biden actually reduced the cost of Obamacare, the price would come down without subsidies. 

You have to work really hard to read this a

"Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans."

s referring to anything but the cost of it to Americans eligible for it.

Your comment is characteristically ridiculous.