Israel’s military has continued its heavy bombardment amid intense fighting in Gaza as its war with Hamas hit the two-month mark and the resulting humanitarian crisis threatened a breakdown of public order.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said they had struck about 250 targets in Gaza over a 24-hour period, ending on Thursday morning.

 

In a residential part of Rafah, a town on the southern border with Egypt where the IDF has told people to relocate to avoid areas likely to be bombed, about 20 people were killed in airstrikes that hit two homes. Women and children were among the dead, according to witnesses.

 

“We live in fear every moment, for our children, ourselves, our families,” said Dalia Abu Samhadaneh, who is living in Rafah with her family after fleeing Khan Younis. “We live with the anxiety of expulsion.”

She is among 1.87 million people – more than 80% of the population of 2.3 million – who have fled their homes in the past two months, according to the UN. Many families have been displaced multiple times, and are living in tents and overcrowded makeshift shelters.

More than 17,000 people have been killed in Gaza, most of them women and children, and more than 46,000 wounded, according to the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory. Many more are trapped under rubble.

About 350 Palestinians had been killed and 1,900 injured in the past 24 hours, the health ministry said on Thursday.

At the northern end of the Gaza Strip, there was heavy fighting in the Jabaliya refugee camp. The IDF said its troops raided a militant compound, killing “a number” of fighters and uncovering a network of tunnels. Al Jazeera said one of its journalists had lost 22 members of his family in a strike in Jabaliya.

According to the IDF, 12 rockets were launched from the Mawasi zone on the Gaza coast on Wednesday. Israel has told Palestinians in Khan Younis to head to the area, out of the way of heavy bombardment and fighting on the ground. Israel accused Hamas of “using the civilians as a human shield”.

 

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Israel pounds ‘250 Gaza targets in a day’ as UN chief warns order may break down

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/07/israel-pounds-250-gaza-targets-in-a-day-as-un-chief-warns-order-may-break-down

 

That's the article for the OP.

 

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In a residential part of Rafah, a town on the southern border with Egypt where the IDF has told people to relocate to avoid areas likely to be bombed, about 20 people were killed in airstrikes that hit two homes. Women and children were among the dead, according to witnesses.

 

I doubt the entire area of Rafah was declared a safe zone, but could be wrong. Previous reports citing similar allegations proved somewhat less conclusive than suggested.

 

Then there's this report:

 

IDF says Hamas firing rockets from Gaza safe zones as civilian scramble for shelter

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-hamas-firing-rockets-from-gaza-safe-zones-as-civilian-scramble-for-shelter/

 

Suggesting Hamas launches rockets from 'safe zones' (I think not too hard to verify given existing radar coverage), and also rockets misfiring and exploding (as in the infamous hospital incident).

Not such a smart idea to attack Israel, was it?

Reap what you sow.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel releases some more prisoners in exchange for hostages , as Israel needs to make space for this lot 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   Staring down the barrel of a gun 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Nick Carter icp

Maybe England, Ireland or Sweden can house some of these poor poor innocent muslims.  

5 hours ago, Morch said:

Israel pounds ‘250 Gaza targets in a day’ as UN chief warns order may break down

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/07/israel-pounds-250-gaza-targets-in-a-day-as-un-chief-warns-order-may-break-down

 

That's the article for the OP.

 

 

I doubt the entire area of Rafah was declared a safe zone, but could be wrong. Previous reports citing similar allegations proved somewhat less conclusive than suggested.

 

Then there's this report:

 

IDF says Hamas firing rockets from Gaza safe zones as civilian scramble for shelter

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-hamas-firing-rockets-from-gaza-safe-zones-as-civilian-scramble-for-shelter/

 

Suggesting Hamas launches rockets from 'safe zones' (I think not too hard to verify given existing radar coverage), and also rockets misfiring and exploding (as in the infamous hospital incident).

 

A good excuse to flatten some so called safe zones.

Deadbeat - "Not such a smart idea to attack Israel, was it?

Reap what you sow."

 

Excellent.  In this case one side has to completely eliminate the other side.  This is how wars should be fought.  I bet the Biden Administration has been holding up on supplies from Israel.  They sure have one hell of a stockpile and show no signs of shortages yet.

The attack on Israel by the Hamas on October 7th was indeed barbaric but so is the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip where innocent children are being killed and maimed in their thousands . The Israelis see it as collateral damage . It has to stop asap . Pure genocide and some world leaders are just as guilty by association . 

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

 

A good excuse to flatten some so called safe zones.

 

It is not, actually. The thing with rockets is that they are tracked, and so the launch area could be pointed at pretty accurately. So if Israel would have made totally bogus claims regarding this, it wouldn't be long before they were called out.

 

Also, what would be the point ? If Israel wanted to turn the Gaza Strip into a parking lot and kill most civilians, it could technically do that - and it would have been less time consuming and taken less resources than the current fighting does. Israel doesn't gain a whole lot from civilian deaths and destruction in the Gaza Strip.

1 hour ago, superal said:

The attack on Israel by the Hamas on October 7th was indeed barbaric but so is the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip where innocent children are being killed and maimed in their thousands . The Israelis see it as collateral damage . It has to stop asap . Pure genocide and some world leaders are just as guilty by association . 

 

Indiscriminate how? If it was indiscriminate, what was the point of telling civilians to evacuate? Of giving them time to do so? Also, indiscriminate would see much higher casualty figures - the current ones represent about one sortie/bomb per casualty. That doesn't sound much like kill-as-much-as-you-can. Wars in dense urban settings are like that.

 

As for 'the children' - People tend to complain about Israel, not so much about Hamas placing their civilians (and 'the children') in harm's way, denying them safety and shelter, or referring to them as 'necessary sacrifices'.

 

There is no 'genocide'.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Indiscriminate how? If it was indiscriminate, what was the point of telling civilians to evacuate? Of giving them time to do so? Also, indiscriminate would see much higher casualty figures - the current ones represent about one sortie/bomb per casualty. That doesn't sound much like kill-as-much-as-you-can. Wars in dense urban settings are like that.

 

As for 'the children' - People tend to complain about Israel, not so much about Hamas placing their civilians (and 'the children') in harm's way, denying them safety and shelter, or referring to them as 'necessary sacrifices'.

 

There is no 'genocide'.

 

There is no genocide while there are still Palestinians living and breathing in the world. Only then Israelis can feel secure, as each fresh massacre breeds new generations who want revenge. Still much work to be done.

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Dogmatix

13 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

There is no genocide while there are still Palestinians living and breathing in the world. Only then Israelis can feel secure, as each fresh massacre breeds new generations who want revenge. Still much work to be done.

 

If you're into nonsense comments, hyperbole and ignoring what was actually posted - that was a great response.

Otherwise, not so much.

 

People die in wars all the time. Civilians, children too. It's not often that 'genocide' is so quickly and readily cited, though. Mainly because there's a difference. Would be interesting to know how you see Hamas role as far as this unfortunate death toll is concerned.

3 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Deadbeat - "Not such a smart idea to attack Israel, was it?

Reap what you sow."

 

Excellent.  In this case one side has to completely eliminate the other side.  This is how wars should be fought.  I bet the Biden Administration has been holding up on supplies from Israel.  They sure have one hell of a stockpile and show no signs of shortages yet.

Exactly. War is hell and there should be no respite until victory is achieved. Hamas has bitten off more than they can chew and no amount of their propaganda will deter Israel

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Indiscriminate how? If it was indiscriminate, what was the point of telling civilians to evacuate? Of giving them time to do so? Also, indiscriminate would see much higher casualty figures - the current ones represent about one sortie/bomb per casualty. That doesn't sound much like kill-as-much-as-you-can. Wars in dense urban settings are like that.

 

As for 'the children' - People tend to complain about Israel, not so much about Hamas placing their civilians (and 'the children') in harm's way, denying them safety and shelter, or referring to them as 'necessary sacrifices'.

 

There is no 'genocide'.

It's something like half of buildings in northern Gaza are destroyed or unlivable. Along with destruction of publice services, I suspect that the intent is to make northen Gaza uninhabitable. If people had left all of northern Gaza as directed, it would still have been a war crime. Intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure is prohibited, as is forced transfer.

5 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

Maybe England, Ireland or Sweden can house some of these poor poor innocent muslims.  

UK being the most guilty, were in charge between the World Wars, decided the fate of the land with the Balfour Declaration, should take 2/3, and Amerika 1/3.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel releases some more prisoners in exchange for hostages , as Israel needs to make space for this lot 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   Staring down the barrel of a gun 

 

 

 

BBC identified the place where this happened, said that men were rounded up for interrogation, including one journalist whom they could identify. Stripping seems excessive, humiliating, but useful to insinuate that these people are guilty or dangerous.

2 minutes ago, placnx said:

BBC identified the place where this happened, said that men were rounded up for interrogation, including one journalist whom they could identify. Stripping seems excessive, humiliating, but useful to insinuate that these people are guilty or dangerous.

Also useful to discover if any are wearing combat vests, weapons and explosives.

16 minutes ago, placnx said:

It's something like half of buildings in northern Gaza are destroyed or unlivable. Along with destruction of publice services, I suspect that the intent is to make northen Gaza uninhabitable. If people had left all of northern Gaza as directed, it would still have been a war crime. Intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure is prohibited, as is forced transfer.

Intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure is prohibited

 

Not if they are housing terrorists, terrorist infrastructure and equipment.

 

 

1 hour ago, placnx said:

It's something like half of buildings in northern Gaza are destroyed or unlivable. Along with destruction of publice services, I suspect that the intent is to make northen Gaza uninhabitable. If people had left all of northern Gaza as directed, it would still have been a war crime. Intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure is prohibited, as is forced transfer.

 

Oh, you 'suspect'? That's nice.  Uninhabitable, how? You are aware that destroyed buildings can be rebuilt, right?

 

I doubt you're a legal expert, and regardless of any headline you might link - people evacuating rather than staying under bombardment is a better option. Hamas didn't offer this choice for them people attacked in Southern Israel on 7/10.

 

Also, you continue to ignore Hamas's part in this, as if this just came out of the blue.

1 hour ago, placnx said:

BBC identified the place where this happened, said that men were rounded up for interrogation, including one journalist whom they could identify. Stripping seems excessive, humiliating, but useful to insinuate that these people are guilty or dangerous.

 

I guess that, as usual, you're not going to provide a link for what you claim. And please, make sure it actually says what you claim before sending posters to watch something - already did that on a related past topic.

 

I guess you missed the suicide bombings part, hidden weapons possibility and so on, which would made such a precaution reasonable. This isn't some police arresting drunks. Maybe you need to take another look at how Israelis taken hostage was treated in the Gaza Strip on 7/10.

16 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

Maybe England, Ireland or Sweden can house some of these poor poor innocent muslims.  

How do you know they are innocent? You presume a great deal not having to be there and missing the highlight of the how and why they are captured and half naked. 

18 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Indiscriminate how? If it was indiscriminate, what was the point of telling civilians to evacuate? Of giving them time to do so? Also, indiscriminate would see much higher casualty figures - the current ones represent about one sortie/bomb per casualty. That doesn't sound much like kill-as-much-as-you-can. Wars in dense urban settings are like that.

 

As for 'the children' - People tend to complain about Israel, not so much about Hamas placing their civilians (and 'the children') in harm's way, denying them safety and shelter, or referring to them as 'necessary sacrifices'.

 

There is no 'genocide'.

What is the definition of genocide in the United Nations?

 

 

According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

17 hours ago, placnx said:

BBC identified the place where this happened, said that men were rounded up for interrogation, including one journalist whom they could identify. Stripping seems excessive, humiliating, but useful to insinuate that these people are guilty or dangerous.

 

They are stripped to check for body explosives and to also make sure they have no weapons on them, it's a common practice used when dealing with terrorists.  

3 hours ago, superal said:

What is the definition of genocide in the United Nations?

 

 

According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

 

That sounds very much like the Hamas attack on 7/10.

The snippet you posted is a very broad premise, essentially allowing the label to be attached to pretty much anything.

UN nonsense aside, I think that most people, when dropping their hot-air narrative know what 'genocide' actually is. Usually involves way more people killed, often in a systematic manner. I will contend that not every way or act of war are 'genocide', you can stick with whatever contrived definition which makes you feel self righteous.

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On 12/8/2023 at 9:21 PM, Morch said:

 

I guess that, as usual, you're not going to provide a link for what you claim. And please, make sure it actually says what you claim before sending posters to watch something - already did that on a related past topic.

 

I guess you missed the suicide bombings part, hidden weapons possibility and so on, which would made such a precaution reasonable. This isn't some police arresting drunks. Maybe you need to take another look at how Israelis taken hostage was treated in the Gaza Strip on 7/10.

I don't think that I have ever linked to a BBC video, so please let us know what post you are referring to. I did not link to the BBC video this time either. I saw it on a recent BBC report. 

On 12/9/2023 at 12:50 PM, NickyLouie said:

 

They are stripped to check for body explosives and to also make sure they have no weapons on them, it's a common practice used when dealing with terrorists.  

These are just some people who were rounded up to be interrogated. On the BBC it showed them afterwards being transported in a truck, still without their clothes. It's a propaganda video purporting to show "terrorists". 

10 minutes ago, placnx said:

These are just some people who were rounded up to be interrogated. On the BBC it showed them afterwards being transported in a truck, still without their clothes. It's a propaganda video purporting to show "terrorists". 

This one has a guns and ammo

 

Google translate:

"Documentation from the Gaza Strip: Dozens of Hamas terrorists surrender in Jabaliya"

 

 

Edited December 11, 20232 yr by Bkk Brian

On 12/8/2023 at 9:15 PM, Morch said:

 

I doubt you're a legal expert, and regardless of any headline you might link - people evacuating rather than staying under bombardment is a better option. Hamas didn't offer this choice for them people attacked in Southern Israel on 7/10.

 

Also, you continue to ignore Hamas's part in this, as if this just came out of the blue.

Do you think 7/10 attack came out of the blue?

 

When Gaza is completly destroyed and the people sent to Egypt or whatever other country Netanahu suggested, you'll still be going on about that 7/10 attack as if it warranted the anhilation of the Arabs.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you think 7/10 attack came out of the blue?

 

When Gaza is completly destroyed and the people sent to Egypt or whatever other country Netanahu suggested, you'll still be going on about that 7/10 attack as if it warranted the anhilation of the Arabs.

Scraping the barrel now @Neeranam Nobody thinks it came out of the blue, but there was no justification for the horrors of it that continue to this day. 

 

What's this new accusation your spewing out? "anhilation of the Arabs."

 

Get a grip man