Thai rescuer faces death threat for exposing hospital’s refusal to treat foreigner

[timendres]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

I just had a major operation not covered by either my private insurance of social security, I was asked how the costs will be covered and I simply said credit card.....they did not even want a obligatory pre-admission card swipe.

 

Same for me. However, at that moment, it was an emergency situation, and I genuinely thought I was about to go into shock. I was screaming at the nurses to get someone in to swipe my card before I fell unconscious, knowing the potential for disaster if I was not able to complete the "necessary" deposit. An unconscious patient in an emergency situation should never be declined emergency care.

[Ralf001]

8 minutes ago, timendres said:

 

Same for me. However, at that moment, it was an emergency situation, and I genuinely thought I was about to go into shock. I was screaming at the nurses to get someone in to swipe my card before I fell unconscious, knowing the potential for disaster if I was not able to complete the "necessary" deposit. An unconscious patient in an emergency situation should never be declined emergency care.

 

I was asked about payment 5 days prior to surgery during pre-op checkup.

 

My surgery was kidney removal... no emergency persee but the tumour had doubled in size in 6 months so was a "sooner rather than later" deal.

 

As it turned out, my private insurance did cover to the operation and social security covered the private ward room.... I had to cover my food bill.

[superal]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I just had a major operation not covered by either my private insurance of social security, I was asked how the costs will be covered and I simply said credit card.....they did not even want a obligatory pre-admission card swipe.

Was your operation an emergency or pre arranged ?

 

I would like to know if say an emergency by way of a traffic accident will the hospital give treatment if the patient has no funds or insurance ? Does the hospital recover the costs from the Thai government ?    Posing this question to all readers , not you alone .

[scubascuba3]

Private hospital missed an opportunity to fleece the foreigner, maybe checked his pockets first?

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

Was your operation an emergency or pre arranged ?

 

I would like to know if say an emergency by way of a traffic accident will the hospital give treatment if the patient has no funds or insurance ? Does the hospital recover the costs from the Thai government ?    Posing this question to all readers , not you alone .

 

Pre arranged.

 

My emergency surgery in January was covered by Social Security (private insured declined), I was already in ICU for a different health issue.

 

Reversal surgery (pre planned) in April my private did cover.

Edited December 28, 2023 by Ralf001

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Be careful now !

Sue me if they want.... am already spending down for they day I decide to die so they best get in quick !

[jvs]

Haha!Just wait until this story hits the international news and i hope it will.

Compound stupidity all around.

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Why not take the man to a Government Hospital? Oh wait. Commission🤔

Because, as subsequent events bore out, he was too critically injured to make it that far. The hospital in question was less than 500m away from the scene of the accident - why would you take a critically ill patient with possibly only a few minutes to live, anywhere else?

 

Also, as a rescuer, he undoubtedly knew that (as confirmed in the other threads on this incident) all hospitals are obligated to provide emergency treatment. 

[scubascuba3]

19 minutes ago, superal said:

Does the hospital recover the costs from the Thai government ?

No

[Sigma6]

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

                If this is a true translation is actually quite cleverly written , in so much that it could technically be construed as a genuine warning from a concerned 3rd party. That displays at least a degree of sophistication on behalf of who ever wrote it. So its unlikely in my opinion to have originated from one of the orderlies /  hospital porters who were on duty at the time of the incident

                 Wherever there is money one will find mafia types   the more money floating around the more these types proliferate,  there is huge amount of money involved in private medical care, and when coupled with the equally lucrative insurance business,  the potential for extortion must be absolutely irresistible for all involved      I would bet that everyone of these private hospitals will have very influential people involved at the highest level which pretty much guarantees immunity from any problems at all

 

Also possible that it was someone involved directly in the refusal, and they dont fancy jail time

[scubascuba3]

33 minutes ago, timendres said:

An unconscious patient in an emergency situation should never be declined emergency care.

True but sad to think it could be declined. I know of a guy who had a stroke and unconscious so couldn't pay, the specialist stroke unit declined treatment, he was transferred to a govt hospital, didn't go well 

[2baht]

........and the Buddha said.................................................! 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

True but sad to think it could be declined. I know of a guy who had a stroke and unconscious so couldn't pay, the specialist stroke unit declined treatment, he was transferred to a govt hospital, didn't go well 

 

I had a minor stroke back in '15.

 

Presented myself to hospital (actually drove the car but whole right side of my body really out of whack).

 

Admitted to A&E.

 

laid on a hospital bed (with not even the offer of a glass of water let alone any medical care) for 5 hours until my private insurance agreed to cover costs.

When insurance agreed... holy crap I suddenly become a VIP patient !

 

[2baht]

57 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

They all come to AN like flies to a dug turd.

Nothing worse than a dug turd, though I would prefer it stayed buried! 

[Sigma6]

3 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Good on Kittipong Pimphun for exposing this.  Hopefully the hospital can be officially named as well as the executives at the hospital.  Additional charges should be filed for making threats against Kittipong.  

 

Just so you know the accident location:
 

[Ralf001]

7 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Nothing worse than a dug turd, though I would prefer it stayed buried! 

Was gunna say dog.... but them word filter nazi's and all.

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Sigma6 said:

 

Just so you know the accident location:
 

 

Page 1 if you bother to read the tread before posting.

 

[Sigma6]

Just now, Ralf001 said:

 

Page 1 if you bother to read the tread before posting.

 

 

I read it.  I wanted to highlight it again, in case anyone had missed it.

 

Is that ok Ralf? 

 

Thanks

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Sigma6 said:

 

I read it.  I wanted to highlight it again, in case anyone had missed it.

 

Is that ok Ralf? 

 

Thanks

 

Would you like a green or purple crayon to munch on ?

Edited December 28, 2023 by Ralf001

[Sigma6]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Would you like a green or purple crayon to munch on ?

 

green please

[VocalNeal]

25 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

why would you take a critically ill patient with possibly only a few minutes to live, anywhere else?

 

I have no idea what criteria they work to. As I suspect neither do you. As far as I know, we don't know which hospital is the one in question.

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

I have no idea what criteria they work to. As I suspect neither do you. As far as I know, we don't know which hospital is the one in question.

 

The hospital in question has been narrowed down.

[scubascuba3]

34 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I had a minor stroke back in '15.

 

Presented myself to hospital (actually drove the car but whole right side of my body really out of whack).

 

Admitted to A&E.

 

laid on a hospital bed (with not even the offer of a glass of water let alone any medical care) for 5 hours until my private insurance agreed to cover costs.

When insurance agreed... holy crap I suddenly become a VIP patient !

 

5 hours is a long time, meant to get the clot buster drug within 4.5 hours (just checked), maybe a case for just paying privately quickly

[Ralf001]

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

5 hours is a long time, meant to get the clot buster drug within 4.5 hours (just checked), maybe a case for just paying privately quickly

 

I did offer my credit card but I assume they could stooge the insurance for more hence the wait.

Glad they did wait cause my credit limit would not have cover a 3rd of the final bill.

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I did offer my credit card but I assume they could stooge the insurance for more hence the wait.

Glad they did wait cause my credit limit would not have cover a 3rd of the final bill.

a guy I know had a stroke went to Bangkok Pattaya, had some keyhole surgery thing to remove the clot, 1m baht later, still isn't right

[nana kid]

I arrived at a Private Hospital, in an ambulance, in a lot of pain  (not life threatening ) and was left in the ER overnight

until FULL payment 700,000 Baht was paid,  And that's the way it is here in LOS

[ravip]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I had a minor stroke back in '15.

 

Presented myself to hospital (actually drove the car but whole right side of my body really out of whack).

 

Admitted to A&E.

 

laid on a hospital bed (with not even the offer of a glass of water let alone any medical care) for 5 hours until my private insurance agreed to cover costs.

When insurance agreed... holy crap I suddenly become a VIP patient !

 

It is a well known fact. Hospitals, Medicare & Insurance companies are doing a roaring business hand in glove and does not care two hoots about the patients - money first. This is International.

[Ralf001]

45 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

a guy I know had a stroke went to Bangkok Pattaya, had some keyhole surgery thing to remove the clot, 1m baht later, still isn't right

Yeah I went to BPH... my credit card would not have covered the 5 million baht bill

[Ralf001]

21 minutes ago, ravip said:

It is a well known fact. Hospitals, Medicare & Insurance companies are doing a roaring business hand in glove and does not care two hoots about the patients - money first. This is International.

 

My hospital bills for the past 10 yrs in Thailand have amounted to 15 million plus.

 

My out of pocket expenses have been for food in the private wards after ICU/Surgery.

[The Fugitive]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

My hospital bills for the past 10 yrs in Thailand have amounted to 15 million plus.

 

My out of pocket expenses have been for food in the private wards after ICU/Surgery.

How many could truthfully find that sort of money? I know my credit card wouldn't stretch that far!