placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Why allow aid into Gaza? Most Gazans support and succor Hamas. Have been for years. Allowed Hamas to use international aid to build terror tunnels, used smugglers to bring in weapons, even let Hamas use their homes to imprison innocent hostages. I can see no reason for them to receive any aid at all. Well, for one thing, because genocide is a crime. And as for most Gazans supporting Hamas, that wasn't even true when they won the election. And their popularity quickly went down. However, there was one nation whose help prove invaluable in supporting Hamas. That nation was Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The aid that Hamas stole and used for themselves and also could be used it to make more bombs and rockets Right. You mean the dreaded bombs made out of flour? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: Right. You mean the dreaded bombs made out of flour? I didn't mean flour, no . You know very well that I meant things that can be used to make bombs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: Well, for one thing, because genocide is a crime. And as for most Gazans supporting Hamas, that wasn't even true when they won the election. And their popularity quickly went down. However, there was one nation whose help prove invaluable in supporting Hamas. That nation was Israel. Yes, it is. Good thing genocide isn't happening, eh? If Gazans didn't support Hamas, then this whole tragedy could have been avoided. But the cheering crowds in the streets when the oh so brave warriors came back from their slaughter on October 7, the spitting on the corpses of the slain, hiding hostages in their homes, letting their schools and hospitals be used for terrorism activities, all lead me to believe that there are very few innocent civilians in Gaza. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: I didn't mean flour, no . You know very well that I meant things that can be used to make bombs So it's justified to stop sending food into Gaza because of things that can be used to make bombs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: Yes, it is. Good thing genocide isn't happening, eh? If Gazans didn't support Hamas, then this whole tragedy could have been avoided. But the cheering crowds in the streets when the oh so brave warriors came back from their slaughter on October 7, the spitting on the corpses of the slain, hiding hostages in their homes, letting their schools and hospitals be used for terrorism activities, all lead me to believe that there are very few innocent civilians in Gaza. I recall that brave fearless Palestinian guy , running out from the baying crowd and began punching an Israeli female corpse a few times , and then ran back into the crowd . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Yes, it is. Good thing genocide isn't happening, eh? If Gazans didn't support Hamas, then this whole tragedy could have been avoided. But the cheering crowds in the streets when the oh so brave warriors came back from their slaughter on October 7, the spitting on the corpses of the slain, hiding hostages in their homes, letting their schools and hospitals be used for terrorism activities, all lead me to believe that there are very few innocent civilians in Gaza. Children make up nearly half of Gaza's population. Here's what it means for the war. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians And you believe in capital punishment for those having vile beliefs? Should the same fate befall Israelis broadcasting their genocidal beliefs? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, placeholder said: So it's justified to stop sending food into Gaza because of things that can be used to make bombs? Its not Israel's job to feed the Palestinians , Israel are under no obligation to give anything to the Palestinians 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Children make up nearly half of Gaza's population. Here's what it means for the war. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians And you believe in capital punishment for those having vile beliefs? Should the same fate befall Israelis broadcasting their genocidal beliefs? Such a large population of children somewhat puts to rest the idea that this is a "genocide" or "open air concentration camp", doesn't it? People in prisons being genocided certainly don't have the time or energy to make so many babies. And the fault for putting the children in danger lies entirely with Hamas. THEY are the ones to use schools to hide weapons and rockets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Its not Israel's job to feed the Palestinians , Israel are under no obligation to give anything to the Palestinians Actually, under international law, as the occupying power they are. But if what you claim is true, then Israel could deny the entry of aid into Gaza and legally commit genocide. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) Hamas and it's ilks fighting a loosing battle where more and more Palestinians will die but they don't care, another 10-20 thousands will die so what? lovely, the world will feel even more sorry for us, Palestinians lives it seems, are worthless in the eyes of Iran and Hamas, thousands of babies dying? ppfff, it looks good on Tv, and those marches and protests sound like music to our ears, 10 thousands more will die, so what? we have plenty of them, the birth rate in Gaza is one of the highest in the world, Israel has no choice to kill as many of them to defend themselves, and this what it take so be be it, ICJ or no IJC... Edited January 16 by ezzra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: Such a large population of children somewhat puts to rest the idea that this is a "genocide" or "open air concentration camp", doesn't it? People in prisons being genocided certainly don't have the time or energy to make so many babies. And the fault for putting the children in danger lies entirely with Hamas. THEY are the ones to use schools to hide weapons and rockets. The clams of genocide have to do with the Israeli conduct in this war.. Do you believe that the gestation period for Palestinians is just a couple of months? As for the children being in danger because of Hamas using "schools to hide weapons and rockets", I guess you believe they're out of danger now because schools aren't in session. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, placeholder said: Actually, under international law, as the occupying power they are. But if what you claim is true, then Israel could deny the entry of aid into Gaza and legally commit genocide. I don't think that Israel are the occupying power in Gaza , Israel just currently has some soldiers there on a mission 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: The clams of genocide have to do with the Israeli conduct in this war.. Do you believe that the gestation period for Palestinians is just a couple of months? As for the children being in danger because of Hamas using "schools to hide weapons and rockets", I guess you believe they're out of danger now because schools aren't in session. No, the children are in danger because Hamas started a war that they cannot win. Much like German and Japanese children were in danger because THEIR respective governments did the same. Again, the responsibility is on the aggressor. Israel is not an occupying power. The conflict is not over. At that time, if Israel does not allow relief aid, THEN they are wrong. Until then, the war needs to be fought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 10 hours ago, ezzra said: Zionism is a peaceful ideology unlike Islam, that can be practised anywhere if left alone, Errrrr, wasn't Begin ( a zionist ) a terrorist before becoming a prime minister? The first thing israel did after becoming a state was to try to ethnically cleanse the country of Palestinians ( the nakba ). Apparently still trying to finish the job. Doesn't seem a very peaceful ideology to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 No Western country has declared support for South Africa's allegations against Israel. Those that do seem to have all expressed their merit less claims of genocide on this forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: I don't think that Israel are the occupying power in Gaza , Israel just currently has some soldiers there on a mission Israel has clearly stated its intent to remain in Gaza. Even if that weren't the case, your comment is laughable. They're occupying portions of it now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 53 minutes ago, placeholder said: Israel has clearly stated its intent to remain in Gaza. Can you provide a link to that claim, (A non Al-Jazzera link) ? I don't believe it to be true Heres a report that says the opposite "Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Monday Israel had no intention of staying permanently in the Gaza Strip as Israeli forces and Hamas fighters engaged in heavy fighting in both the north and south of the Palestinian enclave. "Israel will take any measures in order to destroy Hamas, but we have no intention to stay permanently in the Gaza Strip. We only take care of our security and the security of our citizens alongside the border with Gaza," Gallant told reporters." https://www.voanews.com/a/heavy-israel-hamas-clashes-in-khan-younis/7392641.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, placeholder said: Israel has clearly stated its intent to remain in Gaza. Even if that weren't the case, your comment is laughable. They're occupying portions of it now. There was no such official comment in the sense you imply. Nothing on par with long term occupation or such. Carrying on military operation for an extended period, yes. Talk about a security zone near the border, yes. Other than that, most of the more 'hardcore' stuff was from right wing elements which are not actually calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Back to reality and South Africa's lies being parroted here: Israel Defends Itself At ICJ Against The Lies Of South Africa And False Accusation of Genocide South Africa’s political leaders are closely aligned with Hamas, so it’s not surprising that South Africa took it on itself to bring a claim of Genocide at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) against Israel for Israel defending itself against the Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Palestinian “civilians” who murdered, tortured, sexually mutilated, and raped Israelis and foreigners on October 7. The entire proceeding is a farce. South Africa seeks to weaponize the ICJ so that Hamas and other Islamist radicals can commit genocide against Jews. It’s a complete inversion of the purpose of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and the role of the ICJ https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/01/israeli-defends-itself-at-icj-against-the-lies-of-south-africa-and-false-accusation-of-genocide/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: No, the children are in danger because Hamas started a war that they cannot win. Much like German and Japanese children were in danger because THEIR respective governments did the same. Again, the responsibility is on the aggressor. Israel is not an occupying power. The conflict is not over. At that time, if Israel does not allow relief aid, THEN they are wrong. Until then, the war needs to be fought. First you claim that children are in danger because Hamas stored weaponry in schools. Now you're backtracking on that piece of ridiculousness. And your view of laws governing warfare is so simplistic as to be ridiculous. It sounds like some nonsense out of the Old Testament. If Israel's conduct of the war results in mass deaths by starvation and disease, deaths it could avert by allow sufficient aid to enter Israel Not even the Israeli government agrees with you: Israel has no obligation to actively provide humanitarian aid to the civilian population in Gaza. Israel is only required to allow the passage of humanitarian aid, including food, water, medicine, and medical equipment.Oct 26, 2566 BE https://www.inss.org.il/publication/israel-duties/#:~:text=The Obligation to Allow the,%2C medicine%2C and medical equipment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 35 minutes ago, ezzra said: Hamas and it's ilks fighting a loosing battle where more and more Palestinians will die but they don't care, another 10-20 thousands will die so what? lovely, the world will feel even more sorry for us, Palestinians lives it seems, are worthless in the eyes of Iran and Hamas, thousands of babies dying? ppfff, it looks good on Tv, and those marches and protests sound like music to our ears, 10 thousands more will die, so what? we have plenty of them, the birth rate in Gaza is one of the highest in the world, Israel has no choice to kill as many of them to defend themselves, and this what it take so be be it, ICJ or no IJC... It's language like that which makes some of us support the Palestinians, along with the actual killing of thousands of children. Shame on Biden for supporting this monstrous one sided bombing. History will not be kind to him for colluding in the killing of thousands of defenseless Palestinians which is being done with American bombs and shells, while western "leaders" turn their backs on it- shame on all of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: It's language like that which makes some of us support the Palestinians, along with the actual killing of thousands of children. Shame on Biden for supporting this monstrous one sided bombing. History will not be kind to him for colluding in the killing of thousands of defenseless Palestinians which is being done with American bombs and shells, while western "leaders" turn their backs on it- shame on all of them. @thaibeachlovers You are aware that Hamas leaders talk this way about Palestinian civilians and children, right? Labeling their death as necessary sacrifices, the blood that needs to be spilled and other such comments. Or maybe they don't show that on AJ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said: UN Secretary-General António Guterres has emphasized the imperative of establishing “basic conditions” to facilitate safe and full-scale aid delivery to civilians in Gaza while stressing that only a ceasefire will prevent the crisis from escalating. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145537?_gl=1*achl83*_ga*NDA4MTcwMjAzLjE2OTY3MzkxOTM.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTcwNTM4NDE1MS4xOS4xLjE3MDUzODQxNTMuMC4wLjA. The UN has been shown lacking by it's complete impotence in this conflict. He can waffle on all he likes but as long as the world tolerates the American veto, nothing will change. Must be galling to realise that his organisation isn't worth a can of <deleted> when it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, placeholder said: First you claim that children are in danger because Hamas stored weaponry in schools. Now you're backtracking on that piece of ridiculousness. And your view of laws governing warfare is so simplistic as to be ridiculous. It sounds like some nonsense out of the Old Testament. If Israel's conduct of the war results in mass deaths by starvation and disease, deaths it could avert by allow sufficient aid to enter Israel Not even the Israeli government agrees with you: Israel has no obligation to actively provide humanitarian aid to the civilian population in Gaza. Israel is only required to allow the passage of humanitarian aid, including food, water, medicine, and medical equipment.Oct 26, 2566 BE https://www.inss.org.il/publication/israel-duties/#:~:text=The Obligation to Allow the,%2C medicine%2C and medical equipment. First you claim that children are in danger because Hamas stored weaponry in schools. Now you're backtracking on that piece of ridiculousness. Its certainly not ridiculous. Hamas did and does store weapons in schools, more than that they fired their rockets from schools. This is all well documented with links in this and other related topics. The UN were complicit in allowing Hamas to train kids to be terrorists in schools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: First you claim that children are in danger because Hamas stored weaponry in schools. Now you're backtracking on that piece of ridiculousness. Its certainly not ridiculous. Hamas did and does store weapons in schools, more than that they fired their rockets from schools. This is all well documented with links in this and other related topics. The UN were complicit in allowing Hamas to train kids to be terrorists in schools. You missed the point. Hanaguma claimed that children in Gaza are in danger because of those weapons stored in classrooms. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Just now, placeholder said: You missed the point. Hanaguma claimed that children in Gaza are in danger because of those weapons stored in classrooms. Of course they are. You think it's safe to fire rockets from schools or even store them there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Back to reality and South Africa's lies being parroted here: Israel Defends Itself At ICJ Against The Lies Of South Africa And False Accusation of Genocide South Africa’s political leaders are closely aligned with Hamas, so it’s not surprising that South Africa took it on itself to bring a claim of Genocide at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) against Israel for Israel defending itself against the Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Palestinian “civilians” who murdered, tortured, sexually mutilated, and raped Israelis and foreigners on October 7. The entire proceeding is a farce. South Africa seeks to weaponize the ICJ so that Hamas and other Islamist radicals can commit genocide against Jews. It’s a complete inversion of the purpose of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and the role of the ICJ https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/01/israeli-defends-itself-at-icj-against-the-lies-of-south-africa-and-false-accusation-of-genocide/ Part of this may go back to the grudge that black South Africans hold against Israel for its support of the apartheid government including possible assistance in building nuclear weapons. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: Part of this may go back to the grudge that black South Africans hold against Israel for its support of the apartheid government including possible assistance in building nuclear weapons. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel Yes maybe. Maybe not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Of course they are. You think it's safe to fire rockets from schools or even store them there? You think children are still attending school in Gaza? Oh wait a minute. I forgot. You posted those lovely photos of the abundant fruits and vegetables abundanat in Gaza that were taken by COGAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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