Democrats argue Biden is underestimated

[CharlieH]

 

Democrats are sounding off: President Biden is being underestimated.

The president’s poor approval numbers, and polling showing him trailing former President Trump, his likely opponent in 2024, have created frustration and anxiety within the party, with some wondering if Biden is leading Democrats into a disastrous election that could cost them the White House and Senate. 

 

But a number of Democrats are criticizing the critics, arguing Biden should get more credit for an improving economy and positing his fortunes are likely to brighten in the months leading up to the election.

“Biden faces challenges going into 2024, but I’m baffled by seemingly smart political people writing his chances off,” said Jim Kessler, co-founder of the centrist think tank Third Way.

Those defending the president’s chances argue that the choice will be clear once voters are actually faced with Trump on the general election ballot — a long 10 months away.

“I’m very bullish on President Biden’s reelection in 2024. The economy is strong, we’ve recovered from COVID, and we are once again respected in the world. Most importantly, he’s restored a sense of normalcy after four years of President Trump’s chaos,” said David Thomas, a former aide to Vice President Al Gore. 

“Does work remain? You bet,” added Thomas, a partner at Mehlman Consulting. “But if you ask the question in November: ‘Are you better off than you were four years ago?’ I believe a majority of Americans will answer a resounding yes.”

 

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[Tropicalevo]

He is certainly further up the honesty ladder than the alternative.

[2baht]

Old Wonky Joe, surely America, you can do better! .......and not the lying buffoon either! 

[Tug]

13 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Old Wonky Joe, surely America, you can do better! .......and not the lying buffoon either! 

I personally like the experience and the results he and his team are doing a fine job for my country and they are trying to be mindful of the rest of the world

[2baht]

Just now, Tug said:

I personally like the experience and the results he and his team are doing a fine job for my country and they are trying to be mindful of the rest of the world

But there must be some young blood???

[Tug]

1 minute ago, 2baht said:

But there must be some young blood???

Agreed all of us would prefer a younger more dynamic man 

[JonnyF]

To use an analogy from the movie Deliverance the American public is currently staring at the creepy kid playing the banjo (who bears a striking resemblance to Joe) and wondering whether to continue with the trip. Maybe it is easier to just carry on?

 

Deep down they know it is ill

fated. But they dont know whether to say something.

 

Will they continue like Burt Reynolds and his buddies? If they do, expect the same result. The American public will indeed be squealing in the forest at the hands of Joe's associates. 

[Chomper Higgot]

The headline ‘Trump is going to win’ and variations there on gets more traffic for the news outlets, hence that’s what they are pumping.

 

Meanwhile Biden is delivering for America.

 

Added to which he’s not facing multiple criminal trials, and doesn’t stink of leaking diapers.

 

 

[Danderman123]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

To use an analogy from the movie Deliverance the American public is currently staring at the creepy kid playing the banjo (who bears a striking resemblance to Joe) and wondering whether to continue with the trip. Maybe it is easier to just carry on?

 

Deep down they know it is ill

fated. But they dont know whether to say something.

 

Will they continue like Burt Reynolds and his buddies? If they do, expect the same result. The American public will indeed be squealing in the forest at the hands of Joe's associates. 

The results of the first term have been pretty good.

 

You seem to be living in a different world than the rest of us.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The results of the first term have been pretty good.

 

You seem to be living in a different world than the rest of us.

 

Once again, the Dem establishment insisting they know better than the voters.  The voters know when they're getting peed on, even if the Dems want to claim it's rain.  But feel free to ignore the voters...

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/polling/approval-rating-poll-of-polls

 

https://edition.cnn.com/polling/approval-rating-polls

 

And those are the CNN lefties.  I won't even link to the conservative press. 

 

If I was a Dem looking at those numbers, I'd be looking for a better candidate.  And I would have started that search a long time ago.

 

 

[illisdean]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The headline ‘Trump is going to win’ and variations there on gets more traffic for the news outlets, hence that’s what they are pumping.

 

Meanwhile Biden is delivering for America.

 

Added to which he’s not facing multiple criminal trials, and doesn’t stink of leaking diapers.

 

 

He's delivering, especially at the polls, which are in the toilet, (MSM seem to equate Biden to a toilet quite often, even going back to March 2022.

How's Biden delivering with his border security and immigration reform?  And why has he emboldened  Iran and hamas with $6B and other funding and the war in ME,, and why is not announcing that and how his border security processed only 300,000 illegals in Dec 2023? How many jobs did he create, the 14M big lie?, and how much did he reduce the deficit, $1.2T or was it $1.7T, or what lie did he use? Notice he didn't include any of his lies about the economy, jobs, immigration and border security disaster he's created? Not a word about his accomplishments (AKA disaster. failure, etc). Biden's a failure and to think otherwise is total delusion.

 

Link to Polling Report fitsNEWS

 

[illisdean]

5 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Meanwhile Biden is delivering for America.

Yeah, he sure didn't. He delivered hugely on GASLIGHTING America.

Nobody likes his economy and he's trashed the border creating an intentional humanitarian and national security crisis.

No mention of the things most important to voters. Green climate crisis, he promised to build 500,000 EV charging seasons. He's built one, in Ohio it opened Dec 15th 2023. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 2 by illisdean

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, illisdean said:

He's delivering, especially at the polls, which are in the toilet, (MSM seem to equate Biden to a toilet quite often, even going back to March 2022.

How's Biden delivering with his border security and immigration reform?  And why has he emboldened  Iran and hamas with $6B and other funding and the war in ME,, and why is not announcing that and how his border security processed only 300,000 illegals in Dec 2023? How many jobs did he create, the 14M big lie?, and how much did he reduce the deficit, $1.2T or was it $1.7T, or what lie did he use? Notice he didn't include any of his lies about the economy, jobs, immigration and border security disaster he's created? Not a word about his accomplishments (AKA disaster. failure, etc). Biden's a failure and to think otherwise is total delusion.

 

The border crisis is such a manufactured crisis. The US needs immigrants. Period. If there was any real enthusiasm for stopping the migration, rich company directors and billionaires would be in jail for hiring illegals. Migration would stop overnight. This has been going on since the 50's. The numbers have risen because populations are rising, on both sides of the fence. Rich countries aren't interested in spreading the wealth around evenly though foreign investment so that poor countries could develop a sustainable economy or doing anything to actually fix the problem. They only want to use immigration as a whipping post in the hope that they can blow the issue into a viote winning formula. Nothing else.

[illisdean]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

The border crisis is such a manufactured crisis. The US needs immigrants. Period. If there was any real enthusiasm for stopping the migration, rich company directors and billionaires would be in jail for hiring illegals. Migration would stop overnight. This has been going on since the 50's. The numbers have risen because populations are rising, on both sides of the fence. Rich countries aren't interested in spreading the wealth around evenly though foreign investment so that poor countries could develop a sustainable economy or doing anything to actually fix the problem. They only want to use immigration as a whipping post in the hope that they can blow the issue into a viote winning formula. Nothing else.

You know nothing. Ask the Chicago mayor about funding and huge deficits caused by migrants. Research child sex trafficking, fentanyl deaths, crime, unvetted males from unfriendly nations, all in the name of creating voters, democratic voters.

 

Of the estimated 48M immigrants in the USA, 25% are illegal, and many unvetted, including the estimated 1.7M got-aways. which is ludicrous on it's face for the sovereignty of any western nation.

How many other cities, states are struggling with illegal immigration, in Dec 2023 alone 300,000 illegals crossed into US at the southern border. Mayorkas is up for impeachment over the immigration crisis created by Biden.

 

Orderly migration what US experienced under Trump is acceptable when managed properly. Biden has FAILED, no surprise, and all is reflected in his dismal polls and job approvals. Americans, the voters care about the economy and immigration as top priorities in 2024 election and Biden has failed on both. And it has to be intentional.

 

here's a sample.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2023/9/12/23870893/chicago-2024-budget-shortfall-city-council-migrant-crisis-mayor-brandon-johnson-deficit-lightfoot

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, illisdean said:

You know nothing. Ask the Chicago mayor about funding and huge deficits caused by migrants. Research child sex trafficking, fentanyl deaths, crime, unvetted males from unfriendly nations, all in the name of creating voters, democratic voters.

 

Of the estimated 48M immigrants in the USA, 25% are illegal, and many unvetted, including the estimated 1.7M got-aways. which is ludicrous on it's face for the sovereignty of any western nation.

How many other cities, states are struggling with illegal immigration, in Dec 2023 alone 300,000 illegals crossed into US at the southern border. Mayorkas is up for impeachment over the immigration crisis created by Biden.

 

Orderly migration what US experienced under Trump is acceptable when managed properly. Biden has FAILED, no surprise, and all is reflected in his dismal polls and job approvals. Americans, the voters care about the economy and immigration as top priorities in 2024 election and Biden has failed on both. And it has to be intentional.

 

Biden intentionally created a border crisis? That's pretty rich. Why would he do that knowing it would tank any chance he had of being re-elected. That's not really a rational proposition. And you don't address the dramatic effect jailing employers would have on illegal immigration. It's really a no brainer.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Biden intentionally created a border crisis? That's pretty rich. Why would he do that knowing it would tank any chance he had of being re-elected. That's not really a rational proposition. And you don't address the dramatic effect jailing employers would have on illegal immigration. It's really a no brainer.

You're right in the sense that rich people love cheap labor. Rich democrats love it as much as rich republicans. 

 

biden didn't "intentionally create the Crisis" he simply didn't realize the words he used pre election would have such a devastating result. Anything for a vote,   

[illisdean]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Biden intentionally created a border crisis? That's pretty rich

If he didn't then he's dumber than humanely possible, which could be the case. Check and see what the appointed border/immigration Czar, Kamala has accomplished. Compare illegal immigration now with the secure border during Trump administration. What lawful American who is following the rules allows unvetted illegals from ANY country to cross at will into US soil? Answer: a corrupt deep state controlled puppet named Biden

Edited January 2 by illisdean

[EVENKEEL]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The border crisis is such a manufactured crisis. The US needs immigrants. Period. If there was any real enthusiasm for stopping the migration, rich company directors and billionaires would be in jail for hiring illegals. Migration would stop overnight. This has been going on since the 50's. The numbers have risen because populations are rising, on both sides of the fence. Rich countries aren't interested in spreading the wealth around evenly though foreign investment so that poor countries could develop a sustainable economy or doing anything to actually fix the problem. They only want to use immigration as a whipping post in the hope that they can blow the issue into a viote winning formula. Nothing else.

If the border crisis is so manufactured why are numerous democratic stronghold cities crying uncle because of the migrants. Wouldn't you love to have your kids go to a classroom where so much time is spent on the new kids, getting them up to speed that your child's education suffers.

 

Newsom in bankrupt ca is giving free healthcare to illegals. The insanity continues.

[illisdean]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

biden didn't "intentionally create the Crisis" he simply didn't realize the words he used pre election would have such a devastating result. Anything for a vote, 

Who did, as in who created it...who DO YOU THINK!  Whoever controls & directs the demented fool Biden is responsible and the delivery "driver" is Mayorkas. If this occurred on Trumps watch, he's the first and only one you would try to blame. 

Edited January 2 by illisdean

[300sd]

It's also very generous of this great pres to be paying Ukraine's government workers. I think American's are also funding Ukraine pensions. That's so nice!

Edited January 2 by 300sd

[illisdean]

15 minutes ago, 300sd said:

It's also very generous of this great pres to be funding Ukraine's government jobs. I think American's are also pay Ukraine pensions. That's so nice!

The amount of humanitarian and military aid Biden has gifted to the grifter in UA amounts to about $200M/day, (UA GDP is ~$160B, $433M/day) everyday since the war started from the US alone, not including EU funding and Ukraine is /has lost the war as they run out of soldiers. Biden gives a lot of tax payers money to his corrupt buddies in Ukraine for their border struggle but does nothing about the security of the US southern border.

Edited January 2 by illisdean

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The amount of humanitarian and military aid Biden has gifted to the grifter in UA amounts to about $200M/day, everyday since the war started from the US alone, not including EU funding and Ukraine is /has lost the war as they run out of soldiers. Biden gives a lot of tax payers money to his corrupt buddies in Ukraine for their border struggle but does nothing about the security of the US southern border.

Trump supporter objects to Biden providing aid to a nation illegally invaded by Russia under Putin’s orders.

A pattern is emerging.

 

 

[ozimoron]

23 minutes ago, illisdean said:

If he didn't then he's dumber than humanely possible, which could be the case. Check and see what the appointed border/immigration Czar, Kamala has accomplished. Compare illegal immigration now with the secure border during Trump administration. What lawful American who is following the rules allows unvetted illegals from ANY country to cross at will into US soil? Answer: a corrupt deep state controlled puppet named Biden

 

How would be stop them, apart from my very unambiguous answer which the far right are treating like kryptonite.  The right want to build a wall to maybe stop 30% off illegal immigrattion at best, or put machine gun nests along the river or build child killing floating pontoons in the river or separating babies from parents as a deterrent. The whole right wing approach to the problem is sick.

[illisdean]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump supporter objects to Biden providing aid to a nation illegally invaded by Russia under Putin’s orders.

A pattern is emerging.

 

 

You know nothing, except what your liberal sheep herders want you to believe. Putin is a lot of things but he's not the only party involved in the UA invasion. Your narrow tunnel vision views are truly striking and laughable. And what pattern are you referring to? The fact that the US proxy war against Russia as UA soldiers march into a meat grinder and get eliminated is good only if you like it? You got sawdust between your ears.

[Trippy]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

How would be stop them, apart from my very unambiguous answer which the far right are treating like kryptonite.  The right want to build a wall to maybe stop 30% off illegal immigrattion at best, or put machine gun nests along the river or build child killing floating pontoons in the river or separating babies from parents as a deterrent. The whole right wing approach to the problem is sick.

The remain in mexico policy seemed to be working. But because it was the evil orange mans doing, Biden cancelled it on day 1 of his presidency. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Trippy said:

The remain in mexico policy seemed to be working. But because it was the evil orange mans doing, Biden cancelled it on day 1 of his presidency. 

 

Yeah, no problems at all with the remain in mexico policy. Unless you went to mexico and actually looked. The refugees weren't going to go back to their home countries and build skyscrapers.

[EVENKEEL]

32 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Who did, as in who created it...who DO YOU THINK!  Whoever controls & directs the demented fool Biden is responsible and the delivery "driver" is Mayorkas. If this occurred on Trumps watch, he's the first and only one you would try to blame. 

mayorkas is a pos, 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, illisdean said:

You know nothing, except what your liberal sheep herders want you to believe. Putin is a lot of things but he's not the only party involved in the UA invasion. Your narrow tunnel vision views are truly striking and laughable. And what pattern are you referring to? The fact that the US proxy war against Russia as UA soldiers march into a meat grinder and get eliminated is good only if you like it? You got sawdust between your ears.

Oh the US Proxy war against Russia that Putin started.

 

How obliging of him.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Maybe the DEMs and Biden supporters should from time to time watch news and shows which are made for GOP supporters.

Because then they would see the truth about Biden and his age and his mental difficulties.

 

Personally, I read mostly news from DEM friendly sources. They write how great Biden is and what an idiot Trump is. What they don't publish are all the not so great things about Biden.

Sometimes I watch videos on YouTube which show when Biden stumbles physically or mentally. When he greats people who don't exist, and when he doesn't know left from right. I am sure fox and co show things like that all the time. And then nobody should be surprised when their viewers think B is not capable of doing the job.

But DEMs somehow don't see this information and are ignorant and they ask: Why do those people don't like Biden. Just watch and learn!

 

All in all, I think Biden is still the better alternative, mostly because Trump is such a nightmare, and he is not suitable at all for that job.

But why don't the DEMs look for a younger guy, with experience, and not so radical views? That could be a real alternative which the people like to vote for. And not just the lessor evil. 

 

[Andre0720]

8 hours ago, CharlieH said:

 

Democrats are sounding off: President Biden is being underestimated.

The president’s poor approval numbers, and polling showing him trailing former President Trump, his likely opponent in 2024, have created frustration and anxiety within the party, with some wondering if Biden is leading Democrats into a disastrous election that could cost them the White House and Senate. 

 

But a number of Democrats are criticizing the critics, arguing Biden should get more credit for an improving economy and positing his fortunes are likely to brighten in the months leading up to the election.

“Biden faces challenges going into 2024, but I’m baffled by seemingly smart political people writing his chances off,” said Jim Kessler, co-founder of the centrist think tank Third Way.

Those defending the president’s chances argue that the choice will be clear once voters are actually faced with Trump on the general election ballot — a long 10 months away.

“I’m very bullish on President Biden’s reelection in 2024. The economy is strong, we’ve recovered from COVID, and we are once again respected in the world. Most importantly, he’s restored a sense of normalcy after four years of President Trump’s chaos,” said David Thomas, a former aide to Vice President Al Gore. 

“Does work remain? You bet,” added Thomas, a partner at Mehlman Consulting. “But if you ask the question in November: ‘Are you better off than you were four years ago?’ I believe a majority of Americans will answer a resounding yes.”

 

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Agree, his inaptness is definitely underestimated....