More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate

[Liverpool Lou]

On 1/3/2024 at 10:08 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

culminated in violent insurrection.

There was no "insurrection".

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

You are correct.

 

We can all agree that Trump is a proven sexual assaulted, but it's up for debate whether he is a rapist.

 

The issue is the legal definition of rape vs the popular definition.

 

   Move on, that story is from years ago and it has been discussed on  numerous occasions .

 

   *Someone else started it............................*

[Liverpool Lou]

On 1/3/2024 at 11:06 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh and Trump isn’t on any ballot paper.

Not yet.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Move on, that story is from years ago and it has been discussed on  numerous occasions .

 

   *Someone else started it............................*

Trump was convicted this year, so his being a sexual assaulter is not old news.

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There was no "insurrection".

You are suggesting that January 6 was a peaceful tourist visit of the Capitol?

 

It's like saying the Civil War was not an insurrection because the South never tried to overthrow Lincoln.

 

Note that some of the January 6 ringleaders were convicted of sedition, so they were legally insurrectionists.

Edited January 10 by Danderman123

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump was convicted this year, so his being a sexual assaulter is not old news.

Being convicted of a criminal charge vs losing a lawsuit are 2 different things.  

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump was convicted this year, so his being a sexual assaulter is not old news.

 

   Do you know what year it is now ?

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There was no "insurrection".

You are suggesting that January 6 was a peaceful tourist visit of the Capitol?

No, I'm saying that it wasn't an insurrection.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Being convicted of a criminal charge vs losing a lawsuit are 2 different things.  

Trump was convicted by a jury via a civil process.

 

Just like he was convicted of fraud in a civil process earlier this year.

[retarius]

I agree with these important polls, but this is tearing me apart 1/3 off me thinks Biden won, 1/3 of me thinks Trump won, and a 1/3 of me thinks the incredibly evil Netanyahu won. Go figure.

[Danderman123]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you know what year it is now ?

Oops, Trump was convicted less than 12 months ago of sexual assault, so it's not old news.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, I'm saying that it wasn't an insurrection.

So why were the ringleaders convicted of sedition?

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Oops, Trump was convicted less than 12 months ago of sexual assault, so it's not old news.

 

  Do you know what this topic is about ?

This thread isn't about the topic you mentioned 

[retarius]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

So why were the ringleaders convicted of sedition?

So why was Ray Epps, an FBI agent not sent to prison for telling people at the 'insurrection" to go in side the Capitol building....people got several years for not doing much and some people who were not even there were sent to prison, whereas Ray Epps the key figure in the FBI inspired "insurrection" captured on camera agitating and inciting escaped with probation. 

[Liverpool Lou]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, I'm saying that it wasn't an insurrection.

So why were the ringleaders convicted of sedition?

Why were the ringleaders not convicted of insurrection?  Sedition isn't the same as insurrection.

Edited January 10 by Liverpool Lou

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why were the ringleaders not convicted of insurrection?  Sedition isn't the same as insurrection.

 

Generally, sedition is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government. Insurrection includes the actual acts of violence and rebellion

 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-insurrection-and-sedition

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, retarius said:

So why was Ray Epps, an FBI agent not sent to prison for telling people at the 'insurrection" to go in side the Capitol building....people got several years for not doing much and some people who were not even there were sent to prison, whereas Ray Epps the key figure in the FBI inspired "insurrection" captured on camera agitating and inciting escaped with probation. 

What difference does it make?

 

Epps never entered the Capitol.

 

[n00dle]

more than 1/3 of US adults are idiots.

The US is in dire straits, the entire bipartisan system is bad enough, the fact that the only candidates it serves up are geriatrics of questionable competence and/or sanity would have me pulling my hair out. 

As a Candian, we arent doing much better with a more youthful leadership, our woke government is driving the country into the ground bit by bit.  

  

[Danderman123]

I wouldn't be shocked if 50% of the public thought the 2020 election was stolen. After all, if the average IQ is 100, then 50% have less than 100 IQ.

 

 

[Phulublub]

49 minutes ago, retarius said:

So why was Ray Epps, an FBI agent not sent to prison for telling people at the 'insurrection" to go in side the Capitol building....people got several years for not doing much and some people who were not even there were sent to prison, whereas Ray Epps the key figure in the FBI inspired "insurrection" captured on camera agitating and inciting escaped with probation. 

Just because Trump said Epps was a Government Agent does not make him one. 

 

But Trump's lies about one of his own acolytes are telling about Trump's own tbhought processes....throw anyone and everyone under the bus to protect himself.

 

 

PH

[johng]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

So why was Ray Epps, an FBI agent not sent to prison

 

I hear he got 6 months  because he co-operated with the FBI (before or after was not stated)

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

 

I hear he got 6 months  because he co-operated with the FBI (before or after was not stated)

Got a source for that rumor? a source other than Donald Trump.

 

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Got a source for that rumor? a source other than Donald Trump.

 

 

 

A man targeted by right-wing conspiracy theories about the U.S. Capitol riot was sentenced on Tuesday to a year of probation for joining the Jan. 6, 2021, attack by a mob of fellow Donald Trump supporters.

Ray Epps, a former Arizona resident who was driven into hiding by death threats, pleaded guilty in September to a misdemeanor charge. He received no jail time, and there were no restrictions placed on his travel during his probation, but he will have to serve 100 hours of community service.

source: midland times

 

 

Edited January 10 by ozimoron

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, johng said:

 

I hear he got 6 months  because he co-operated with the FBI (before or after was not stated)

Let me make this simple for you:

 

The 2020 election't stolen.

 

Trump lied about the results.

 

When Trump saw his lies were not enough to keep him in office, he organized an insurrection.

 

The insurrection failed.

 

To deny the above, you have to believe a lot of conspiracy theories.

[johng]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

To deny the above, you have to believe a lot of conspiracy theories.

To believe the above especially after after the last couple of years and accuse others of believing

"conspiracy theories" is quite laughable really.

 

There was no insurrection..it was a demonstration that got a bit out of hand..same same but different to the "mostly peaceful" riots of BLM  summer of love.

 

I suppose you have not seen the video of Epps the day before saying "tomorrow we should go into the capitol" then a few in the crowd immediately say no then chant FED, FED, FED.

 

The FBI director refusing to deny there where agents or assets inside the capitol that day.

 

The police opening doors and leading the "insurrectionist's" around inside the capitol.

 

The police firing tear gas at the protesters that led to the riot in the first place.

 

Also only protesters died on that day one shot by police, no police officers died.

 

So it appears Epps got a year probation no prison... no co-operation with the Fed's then ?

[candide]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

To believe the above especially after after the last couple of years and accuse others of believing

"conspiracy theories" is quite laughable really.

 

There was no insurrection..it was a demonstration that got a bit out of hand..same same but different to the "mostly peaceful" riots of BLM  summer of love.

 

I suppose you have not seen the video of Epps the day before saying "tomorrow we should go into the capitol" then a few in the crowd immediately say no then chant FED, FED, FED.

 

The FBI director refusing to deny there where agents or assets inside the capitol that day.

 

The police opening doors and leading the "insurrectionist's" around inside the capitol.

 

The police firing tear gas at the protesters that led to the riot in the first place.

 

Also only protesters died on that day one shot by police, no police officers died.

 

So it appears Epps got a year probation no prison... no co-operation with the Fed's then ?

False equivalence. The BLM did not assault the Capitol in order to interrupt (or influence) a legitimate process of certifying elections.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, candide said:

False equivalence. The BLM did not assault the Capitol in order to interrupt (or influence) a legitimate process of certifying elections.

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, johng said:

To believe the above especially after after the last couple of years and accuse others of believing

"conspiracy theories" is quite laughable really.

 

The FBI director refusing to deny there where agents or assets inside the capitol that day.

 

In the course of the six-hour hearing, Wray denied any involvement by the bureau in the January 6 attack

[candide]

16 minutes ago, johng said:

To believe the above especially after after the last couple of years and accuse others of believing

"conspiracy theories" is quite laughable really.

 

There was no insurrection..it was a demonstration that got a bit out of hand..same same but different to the "mostly peaceful" riots of BLM  summer of love.

 

I suppose you have not seen the video of Epps the day before saying "tomorrow we should go into the capitol" then a few in the crowd immediately say no then chant FED, FED, FED.

 

The FBI director refusing to deny there where agents or assets inside the capitol that day.

 

The police opening doors and leading the "insurrectionist's" around inside the capitol.

 

The police firing tear gas at the protesters that led to the riot in the first place.

 

Also only protesters died on that day one shot by police, no police officers died.

 

So it appears Epps got a year probation no prison... no co-operation with the Fed's then ?

Ask Josh Hawley if it was peaceful! 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/josh-hawley-seen-fleeing-trump-mob-riled-newly-released-jan-6-footage-rcna39490

 

[Danderman123]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

The election wasn't stolen. Trump's insurrection was planned to keep him in power.

 

You have been fooled by a con man.