16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Heart problems from vaccines are extremely rare. Heart problems from COVID itself are not

Conspiracy theorists have been exaggerating the link between COVID vaccines and heart problems. Here are the facts

Published July 27, 2023

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"Martinez also pointed out that COVID infections themselves are far more likely to cause heart problems than myocarditis caused by COVID vaccines, which is an extremely rare side effect.

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The truth is that COVID infections are quite dangerous to the human heart. A study last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that people reinfected with COVID were twice as likely to either die or have a heart attack as people only infected once."

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"Because nothing can be designed with 100 percent safety, it's true that vaccines can sometimes cause injuries — but the side effects of COVID vaccines are extremely rare and often manageable. On the other hand, the virus itself is far more often linked to numerous conditions from diabetes, schizophrenia, Parkinson's, the condition known as "long COVID" and of course, heart problems."

 

https://www.salon.com/2023/07/27/heart-problems-from-vaccines-are-extremely-rare-heart-problems-from-itself-are-not/

 

 

 

 

www.salon.com. Fantastic source on the Biden side of the fence. Well done.

Salon is an American politically progressive/liberal news and opinion website created in 1995. It publishes articles on U.S. politics, culture, and current events.^[3][4][5][6]

Content and coverage[edit]

Salon covers a variety of topics, including reviews and articles about books, films, and music;^[1] articles about "modern life", including friendships, human sexual behavior, and relationships; and reviews and articles about technology, with a particular focus on the free and open-source software (FOSS) movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon.com

 

Just now, Bday Prang said:

indeed   Except most clips contradicting the narrative were and continue to be removed    so that's backfired on you,    hasn't it    

 

Nonsensical comment.  I started with fear mongering and you went left field.  You don't have to have a 'narrative' but would be nice if you could follow the conversation at least.

At the end of the day. what is wrong with keeping an open mind,  Its not normal to be so blinkered

49 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

a fine example of which would be the GT-200 detection device pantomime  which took place here about 20 years ago do you remember that ?  A real case of the emperors new clothes involving many of the elite here.  Once the top guy has spoken the others will comply

I'd forgotten about that one, classic!

I am reading this because the site keeps showing an ad of a nice girl in underwear. Go figure.

Anyway, for what it's worth: I am considered "at risk" person by age and conditions. I caught covid last December, I think from crowded flights and/or crowded immigration. I found out to be positive because I test regularly. No symptoms at all, all vital signs normal. Negative again after 6 days.

14 hours ago, Negita43 said:

where mask wearing is part of the culture of caring for other's welfare.

Yes - remember that next time you're eating Thai style and someone sticks their spoon into to your Tom Yum - the same spoon that's just been in their mouth.  Mask wearing they'll do but try asking them to stop sharing food or to at least use a serving spoon - not a hope.

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do, and they are responsible for assessing the safety, risks and benefits of medical treatments such as vaccines.  And billions of doses later with Pfizer, the established track record of benefit is pretty good.

 

"Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses [of all types] given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks."

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"As for all medicines, reports of medical events after COVID-19 vaccination (suspected side effects) are collected and continuously evaluated by the authorities. These evaluations show that in most cases the medical events were not caused by the vaccine."

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"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines."

 

--International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA)

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 

 

If you're trying to argue that these mRNA vaccines are safe and effective in 2024, you're wasting your time. If someone hasn't have figured that out by now, they are hopeless and there's nothing you can offer them other than ask if they want a cremation or proper burial should they go unvaccinated. "Survival of the fittest" it's called.

6 hours ago, QuantumQuandry said:

 

Irony is when you fear-monger about people fear-mongering.

SPOT ON! Talk about drama queens. Cite a fact and get a hysterical reaction as if the bitcoin password just got irretrievably tossed out in the trash.

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/sotp-state-of-the-pandemic

 

 

 

what you dont know will hurt you

 

9 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Heart problems from vaccines are extremely rare. Heart problems from COVID itself are not

Conspiracy theorists have been exaggerating the link between COVID vaccines and heart problems. Here are the facts

Published July 27, 2023

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"Martinez also pointed out that COVID infections themselves are far more likely to cause heart problems than myocarditis caused by COVID vaccines, which is an extremely rare side effect.

...
The truth is that COVID infections are quite dangerous to the human heart. A study last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that people reinfected with COVID were twice as likely to either die or have a heart attack as people only infected once."

...

"Because nothing can be designed with 100 percent safety, it's true that vaccines can sometimes cause injuries — but the side effects of COVID vaccines are extremely rare and often manageable. On the other hand, the virus itself is far more often linked to numerous conditions from diabetes, schizophrenia, Parkinson's, the condition known as "long COVID" and of course, heart problems."

 

https://www.salon.com/2023/07/27/heart-problems-from-vaccines-are-extremely-rare-heart-problems-from-itself-are-not/

 

 

 

 

What is with your redundant abject construct of perpetual posts of skewed manipulated science in which its sole objective is to persuade and influence. Obviously not an independent objective observer.

The last boosters in stock need to be sold before they expire ...

…and as time progresses it’s becoming more apparent that the covid craze, (not to mention other crazy nonsense subjects) has been a scam from the get go pushed on billions of people willing to accept whatever governments want to impose. It’s a mental power sickness to accept push and impose upon the gullible and naive.

On 1/11/2024 at 2:04 PM, Mansell said:

Tell the people who died last time around it is a scam. Especially the TV broadcaster in England whose husband just died of Covid….and no he didn’t take any shots….he got Covid right at the beginning of the virus before they came out with anything to combat it. I was in BKK hospital in Pattaya with Covid and felt so awful I would have been happy to die. You got lucky and dodged a bullet.

I'm not going to get into this... It was a massive oever-reaction the purpose of which will come out eventually.

As for your suggestion "Tell the people who died last time around it is a scam".........that would be a little difficult. Firstly, you dont actually know what the cause of anyones death really was and I haven't quite mastered speaking to the dead yet. 

20 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yes of course.

 

FYI, for your next "anecdote": Fox was pro-jab.

 

Not according to bloomberg and many other studies...

 

"Negative reporting on Covid-19 shots that aired on Fox News was linked to increased vaccine hesitancy, according to a new study that shows how the nation’s No. 1 news network influenced viewers during a pandemic that has killed more than 1.1 million people in the US.

 

Concerns about the safety of Covid vaccines as measured in reported side effects increased following heightened periods of negativity in Fox News coverage of vaccines, according to the study published Wednesday in the journal Political Communication.

 

Public opinion surveys also showed Fox viewers reported elevated levels of vaccine hesitancy throughout the pandemic compared to regular viewers of other programs."

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-10/fox-news-content-led-to-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-among-viewers

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10584609.2023.2187496?journalCode=upcp20

 

 

23 minutes ago, pomchop said:

 

Not according to bloomberg and many other studies...

 

"Negative reporting on Covid-19 shots that aired on Fox News was linked to increased vaccine hesitancy, according to a new study that shows how the nation’s No. 1 news network influenced viewers during a pandemic that has killed more than 1.1 million people in the US.

 

Concerns about the safety of Covid vaccines as measured in reported side effects increased following heightened periods of negativity in Fox News coverage of vaccines, according to the study published Wednesday in the journal Political Communication.

 

Public opinion surveys also showed Fox viewers reported elevated levels of vaccine hesitancy throughout the pandemic compared to regular viewers of other programs."

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-10/fox-news-content-led-to-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-among-viewers

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10584609.2023.2187496?journalCode=upcp20

 

 

Top anchors such as Hannity and Doocy stated they trusted "the science" and urged people to get the jab. It was officially reported that 90% of Fox was jabbed. The rest is political theater, there is absolutely nothing controversial in Fox, it is an establishment asset.

A post with entirely unsourced and unsubstantiated claims has been removed for contravening the forum's Community Standards.

 

"In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source."

 

 

16 hours ago, dinsdale said:

A 14-year-old Japanese girl died unexpectedly 2 days after receiving the third dose of the [Pfizer BioNTech] BNT1262b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

Very sad for the girl BUT how many didn't die because they had the vaccine?

2 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

Very sad for the girl BUT how many didn't die because they had the vaccine?

 

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

June 24, 2022

 

"Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday.

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The researchers used data from 185 countries to estimate that vaccines prevented 4.2 million COVID-19 deaths in India, 1.9 million in the United States, 1 million in Brazil, 631,000 in France and 507,000 in the United Kingdom."

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

Thank you but it was a rhetorical question

On 1/11/2024 at 11:23 AM, ozimoron said:

 

except vastly more infectious.

Sure it is...🤡🤡

 

 

wash your hands, and don't touch your face, wear a mask indoors.

 

 

and as taught in kindergarten, your freedom to infect me, is a sign of sociopathy , as it hinders the communities liberty & life, and real freedom.

 

23 hours ago, amexpat said:

Why keep people very afraid? 

It is a political tool that's been employed for centuries now, and the army/pt administration seems to love to employ it. If people are afraid they tend to be more obedient, if people are obedient the government tends to be able to get away with whatever it wants, without being questioned. 

Funny how these things seem to  get a  head of steam just as the NFL season in the US is winding down. Prob. just a 'coincidence'.. Everything is you know.

 

How many here have had more than 1-3 injections.

How many have had more than  3 or 4?

 Will you line up again if directed for the greater good?

4 hours ago, mooping20Baht said:

wash your hands, and don't touch your face, wear a mask indoors.

 

 

and as taught in kindergarten, your freedom to infect me, is a sign of sociopathy , as it hinders the communities liberty & life, and real freedom.

 

I skipped kindergarten.

All the more reason for me to remain quarantined, or under self-quarantine, for another two years.

 

Total time of my self quarantine will probably extend to about 6 years, before we see the end of this virus.

 

Still, I do enjoy more time with myself.

 

Home Alone.

 

 

18 hours ago, Negita43 said:

Very sad for the girl BUT how many didn't die because they had the vaccine?

in reality nobody knows,  despite what "experts" say    I know plenty of people who are still alive despite (  or because) they didn't have the vaccine

On 1/11/2024 at 9:55 AM, stoner said:

People who get infected by this new stain have mild symptoms with some only having a cold and sore throat like common respiratory infections.

Some do, some don't. Even mild symptom Cov19 can leave a trail of damage on your system. Rather avoid getting it.

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

in reality nobody knows,  despite what "experts" say    I know plenty of people who are still alive despite (  or because) they didn't have the vaccine

Some are alive, some aren't. You haven't got a guarantee what the outcome will be.

39 minutes ago, Letseng said:

Some do, some don't. Even mild symptom Cov19 can leave a trail of damage on your system. Rather avoid getting it.

I would also rather avoid catching a cold too, or stepping in dog $hit for that matter  but I have not taken to posting on here about the fact, with an almost evangelical zeal, handing out advice to people on the measures I think they should take,

Should problems regarding the vaccine turn out to be true in the fullness of time, some "lay people" on here are going to feel pretty stupid for applying pressure...

26 minutes ago, Letseng said:

Some are alive, some aren't. You haven't got a guarantee what the outcome will be.

Indeed nobody knows, that much at least is true,   Nobody should be criticised for  exercising their right not to have been vaccinated