Israel Gaza war: Deal reached on aid to Gaza, including to hostages

[Rimmer]

 

Israel and Hamas have reached a deal to allow more humanitarian aid into war-ravaged Gaza, Qatari mediators say.

They say that under a deal brokered by Qatar and France, medicines will be given to hostages held by Hamas.

In return Israel will allow more basic supplies into Gaza. Conditions in the territory are dire after more than three months of Israeli bombardment.

 

 

See more:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68000227

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Why did the UN or Red Cross not do this before? How do we know it will reach the hostages.

 

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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why did the UN or Red Cross not do this before? How do we know it will reach the hostages.

 

Why didn't Israel try to do this before?

Last week Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said David Barnea, head of Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad, had approached Qatar to secure a deal for providing the medicines needed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68000227

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why didn't Israel try to do this before?

Last week Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said David Barnea, head of Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad, had approached Qatar to secure a deal for providing the medicines needed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68000227

Not sure what that's got to do with the UN or Red Cross I mentioned. 

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Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Not sure what that's got to do with the UN or Red Cross I mentioned. 

Well, you seem to be putting the onus on the UN and/or the Red Cross. Israel says one of the 2 reasons it's fighting is to rescue the hostages. Presumably it wants them to stay healthy. Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Well, you seem to be putting the onus on the UN and/or the Red Cross. Israel says one of the 2 reasons it's fighting is to rescue the hostages. Presumably it wants them to stay healthy. Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?

Simple, they are supposed to be neutral in a situation like this so would be able to facilitate far better. The same reason why the hostage families asked them but got nowhere with their requests:

 

Dec 5th

Released Israeli hostages ask Red Cross to visit remaining captives

JERUSALEM, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Eight released Israeli hostages wrote a letter to the International Committee of the Red Cross on Monday, asking the humanitarian organization to provide medical assistance and to visit their relatives still being held by Hamas in Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/released-israeli-hostages-ask-red-cross-visit-remaining-captives-2023-12-04/

 

Unfortunaltey being neutral was to much to hope for:

 

CNN anchor Jake Tapper interviewed Dor Steinbrecher, the brother of hostage Doron Steinbrecher, a nurse and veterinarian from Kibbutz Kfar Aza, who told him that a Red Cross worker had dismissed a concern from their mother for needed medication, rebuking the family that they should be more concerned about Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/red-cross-worker-told-family-to-care-more-about-gaza-hostages-brother-says

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, you seem to be putting the onus on the UN and/or the Red Cross. Israel says one of the 2 reasons it's fighting is to rescue the hostages. Presumably it wants them to stay healthy. Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?

Just noticed that extra nonsense in your post, what makes you think it took Israel so long to bring this up, coming on these topics you really need to do a little more research. The agreed ceasefire conditions at the end of Nov with Israel and Hamas for the hostage/prisoner exchange also included a request from Israel for Hamas to allow access to the hostages from the red cross. Of course Hamas did nothing about this particular condition and as the world knows then went onto break the ceasefire agreement having not delivered the promised further female hostages. Including Noa who was forced to undertake two videos recently with the last one confirming the two male hostages were killed.

 

Backing Israeli assertion, US signals Red Cross will visit remaining hostages in Gaza

The Red Cross has repeatedly refused to confirm that it has been notified of this clause of the truce, but insists that it will visit the hostages if both parties agree that it should. Hamas has yet to publicly confirm having agreed to such visits, which Israel has repeatedly insisted is part of the deal.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-signals-red-cross-will-visit-remaining-hostages-in-gaza-backing-israeli-assertion/

 

But I get it, you will jump on every opportunity you can to criticize Israel in this war against the terrorists.

[Bkk Brian]

Medicines for Israeli hostages under #Hamas captivity arrive in #Gaza 'Hamas says it will be delivered by the Red Cross to hospitals, but we still don't know how they're going to make it from the hospitals to hostages, it at all,' our @ariel_oseran brings the latest details

 

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18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just noticed that extra nonsense in your post, what makes you think it took Israel so long to bring this up, coming on these topics you really need to do a little more research. The agreed ceasefire conditions at the end of Nov with Israel and Hamas for the hostage/prisoner exchange also included a request from Israel for Hamas to allow access to the hostages from the red cross. Of course Hamas did nothing about this particular condition and as the world knows then went onto break the ceasefire agreement having not delivered the promised further female hostages. Including Noa who was forced to undertake two videos recently with the last one confirming the two male hostages were killed.

 

Backing Israeli assertion, US signals Red Cross will visit remaining hostages in Gaza

The Red Cross has repeatedly refused to confirm that it has been notified of this clause of the truce, but insists that it will visit the hostages if both parties agree that it should. Hamas has yet to publicly confirm having agreed to such visits, which Israel has repeatedly insisted is part of the deal.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-signals-red-cross-will-visit-remaining-hostages-in-gaza-backing-israeli-assertion/

 

But I get it, you will jump on every opportunity you can to criticize Israel in this war against the terrorists.

Here's why I posted this "nonsense"?

From the article:

Last week Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said David Barnea, head of Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad, had approached Qatar to secure a deal for providing the medicines needed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68000227

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Here's why I posted this "nonsense"?

From the article:

Last week Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said David Barnea, head of Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad, had approached Qatar to secure a deal for providing the medicines needed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68000227

Your claim: "Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?"

 

It did not take so long, they have been asking the Red cross, Hamas & Qatar for a very long time, first demands to the Red Cross were beginning of Nov. It was then made a condition of the hostage/prisoner swap in a direct deal with Qatar who was mediating with Hamas end of Nov, not last week as in your link. After that there was constant pressure applied for Red Cross visits. 

 

That's why it was and remains nonsense

Edited January 18 by Bkk Brian

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25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your claim: "Why did it take Israel so long to make this proposal?"

 

It did not take so long, they have been asking the Red cross, Hamas & Qatar for a very long time, first demands to the Red Cross were beginning of Nov. It was then made a condition of the hostage/prisoner swap in a direct deal with Qatar who was mediating with Hamas end of Nov, not last week as in your link. After that there was constant pressure applied for Red Cross visits. 

 

That's why it was and remains nonsense

You're missing the crucial part: when did Israel ask for this in exchange for more aid to Gaza?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You're missing the crucial part: when did Israel ask for this in exchange for more aid to Gaza?

Pathetic, Red Cross visits to hostage's are part of their role and your now just playing your normal pedantic games in your failed attempts at criticizing Israel instead of the terrorists who failed to give access

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19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Pathetic, Red Cross visits to hostage's are part of their role and your now just playing your normal pedantic games in your failed attempts at criticizing Israel instead of the terrorists who failed to give access

What is this about Red Cross visits? This is about  medicines for the hostages in exchange for medicines for Gazans. That's what the deal was. I have seen nothing about red cross visits.  Or the red crescent, for that matter, Is denying any such stipulation exists is your idea of pedantry? In fact, Israel authorities admit they have no way of knowing for sure if the medicine will reach the hostages:

 

"However, the Israeli military said it does “not have the ability to guarantee” that medicine will reach the hostages.

Speaking at a news conference Wednesday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the military will work with Qatar to ensure medicine gets to the captives."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/medicine-israel-hostages-gaza-hamas-qatar-intl-hnk/index.html

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What is this about Red Cross visits? This is about  medicines for the hostages in exchange for medicines for Gazans. That's what the deal was. I have seen nothing about red cross visits.  Or the red crescent, for that matter, Is denying any such stipulation exists is your idea of pedantry? In fact, Israel authorities admit they have no way of knowing for sure if the medicine will reach the hostages:

 

"However, the Israeli military said it does “not have the ability to guarantee” that medicine will reach the hostages.

Speaking at a news conference Wednesday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the military will work with Qatar to ensure medicine gets to the captives."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/medicine-israel-hostages-gaza-hamas-qatar-intl-hnk/index.html

What is this about Red Cross visits?

 

Red Cross visits check the health of hostages and see what medical needs there are, what is it you don't understand about that, what is it that you fail to understand that this is their role to do this.  There are no preconditions set for this unless you think terrorists have the right to ask for this. 

 

The hostage/prisoner exchange in Nov also had this condition set for Red Cross visits but Hamas failed to deliver. 

 

Yes your pedantry. 

 

Nov 29th. Israelis call for Red Cross medical access to hostages who remain in Gaza

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israelis-call-for-red-cross-medical-access-to-hostages-who-remain-in-gaza-1.7043809

 

 

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

What is this about Red Cross visits?

 

Red Cross visits check the health of hostages and see what medical needs there are, what is it you don't understand about that, what is it that you fail to understand that this is their role to do this.  There are no preconditions set for this unless you think terrorists have the right to ask for this. 

 

The hostage/prisoner exchange in Nov also had this condition set for Red Cross visits but Hamas failed to deliver. 

 

Yes your pedantry. 

 

Nov 29th. Israelis call for Red Cross medical access to hostages who remain in Gaza

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israelis-call-for-red-cross-medical-access-to-hostages-who-remain-in-gaza-1.7043809

 

 

But the deal that was just concluded had no provisions for Red Cross visits. So, I repeat my question. What took Israel so long to agree to this deal?

[Bkk Brian]

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But the deal that was just concluded had no provisions for Red Cross visits. So, I repeat my question. What took Israel so long to agree to this deal?

But the deal that was just concluded had no provisions for Red Cross visits

 

Changing goal posts again, that's nothing to do with your initial post, pure dishonest deflection

 

What took Israel so long to agree to this deal?

 

Hamas just made this condition not Israel..........jeez

 

The deal was for medical aid and the Red Cross to visit in Nov as part of the exchange with hostages but Hamas did not deliver and broke the deal.

 

Again your  criticism of Israel on this is bizarre, it should be at the terrorist's who should have done this when the Red Cross asked in Oct and the very least when it was part of the formal hostage deal in Nov.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

But the deal that was just concluded had no provisions for Red Cross visits

 

Changing goal posts again, that's nothing to do with your initial post, pure dishonest deflection

 

What took Israel so long to agree to this deal?

 

Hamas just made this condition not Israel..........jeez

 

The deal was for medical aid and the Red Cross to visit in Nov as part of the exchange with hostages but Hamas did not deliver and broke the deal.

 

Again your  criticism of Israel on this is bizarre, it should be at the terrorist's who should have done this when the Red Cross asked in Oct and the very least when it was part of the formal hostage deal in Nov.

 

 

Can you spare us the "jeez"s. Are you doing a Jimmy Steward impersonation.

So you agree that Israel should have prioritized what Hamas should do over the welfare of the hostages? I believe that Israel should prioritize the welfare of the hostages over any side issues.

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Can you spare us the "jeez"s. Are you doing a Jimmy Steward impersonation.

So you agree that Israel should have prioritized what Hamas should do over the welfare of the hostages? I believe that Israel should prioritize the welfare of the hostages over any side issues.

Who the hell is Jimmy Steward, more deflection nonsense. I will leave you and your prolific criticism of Israel there, i find it repugnant on this issue,  a deal has been done with Hamas that should have been done weeks ago, a deal that Hamas broke not Israel. A deal that was for hostage/prisoner exchange and Red cross visits. 

 

Hope you enjoyed the latest Hamas video offerings, any more criticism of Israel there?

 

 

 

Edited January 18 by Bkk Brian