Trump is dominating the primaries. That doesn’t mean he’ll beat Biden

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

You really should stop getting your news from MSNBC and “The View “.

 

A better idea would be to debate what they say instead of just shooting the messenger.

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Funny stuff.

 

You can look this up, too, or if you have a friend in Deutsche Bank, ask them

 

trump inherited $412 million from his dad. He also began receiving an allowance of $200,000 from the age of 3 until his dad died. Hardly self made. He also had to have his dad co-sign all his loans until dad died.

 

trump declared 6 bankruptcies.  And in casinos, where addicts throw money at you. The public record of those bankruptcies is amusing. He issued junk bonds and took a loan from a bank syndicate made up of 72 banks. He pledged the land and property as collateral. They ended up with 30 cents on the dollar (the taxpayer picked up the rest). He also stiffed the subcontractors.

 

Now here's something interesting....he had bank loans in NYC at that time, but they had personal guarantees, so he could not afford to stiff those banks. SO what he did was pay himself a huge salary as CEO of his NJ casinos, and also funnel junk bond funds from NJ to NYC to service his NYC bank loans. His father helped him make one debt payment in NYC by buying $3 million in chips in one of his casinos. (You can Google Fred trump $3 million casino chip purchase if you want).

 

Yea, trump is a real "self-made" guy.  As we now know from his bank and insurance fraud conviction in NY, he wasn't exactly above board.

 

Oh, and Dems blocking your vote? Did Dems put together a fake elector scheme?  Did Al Gore call his supporters to DC to stop the certification in 2000? Did Gore hold a rally on the Mall and tell his people to "fight like hell" and "march to the Capitol"? Did Gore call the SecState of Florida and tell him to "just find me...11,780 votes"?

 

To people not sniffing the trumpian vapors, it sure looks like it isn't Dems trying to block your vote. Heck, Dems would even allow outsiders to provide water to folks waiting in line for hours to vote, as most polling stations in their area had been shut down (as Repubs have done in several States like GA).

Wise business decisions.  Many successful entrepreneurs have failures along the way.  Nothing out of the ordinary.

 

Nothing illegal nor was he convicted of any crime in that arena.

 

He’s done well in the private sector.

 

Biden on the other hand has done well too, with China and Ukraine in his pocket.  After all he is the big guy.

[ozimoron]

20 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Wise business decisions.  Many successful entrepreneurs have failures along the way.  Nothing out of the ordinary.

 

Nothing illegal nor was he convicted of any crime in that arena.

 

He’s done well in the private sector.

 

Biden on the other hand has done well too, with China and Ukraine in his pocket.  After all he is the big guy.

 

Trrump was unable to outperform the S&P 500 since he inherited dad's money. That's not a business success story.

[G_Money]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

If you have even an ounce of proof of any corruption by Biden, you should show it.

 

If you cannot---you cannot---then you are making stuff up and engaging in slander.

 

On the other hand, the clown you favor is:

 

---a convicted sex offender

---a convicted charity fraudster

---a convicted bank fraudster

---a convicted insurance fraudster

---a thief of highly classified (TS, SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD)

---a liar who claimed he returned what he stole, but did not return it

---a self-serving crybaby who was intimately involved in trying to overturn a free and fair election (still under adjudication, but with witnesses who testified in front of a grand jury under oath and who were part of his Administration)

---a guy on tape trying to interfere and overturn the election results in the State of Georgia ("Look, just find me...11,780 votes")

 

It seems you made a new account simply to engage in slander and hyperbole.

 

Just exercising my rights to voice my opinions, just like you.

 

That is ok, isn’t it.  Unless you want me silenced like the left normally does with anyone that doesn’t agree with them.

 

[stoner]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

A better idea would be to debate what they say instead of just shooting the messenger.

 

rachel maddow did flat out say that the vaccine would stop covid and you couldn't transmit it. 

[Lacessit]

37 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Blah blah blah, all talk.  No real proof of anything.  
 

I’ve proven Senile Joe is a confirmed liar.  In his own words on film.  Pretty hard to deny that.

IIRC Trump is the world record holder as far as lying goes.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Just exercising my rights to voice my opinions, just like you.

 

That is ok, isn’t it.  Unless you want me silenced like the left normally does with anyone that doesn’t agree with them.

 

It's OK to express opinions. It would be nice if you occasionally found a fact to support them.

[G_Money]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Actually he isn't. 

 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Just exercising my rights to voice my opinions, just like you.

 

That is ok, isn’t it.  Unless you want me silenced like the left normally does with anyone that doesn’t agree with them.

 

You can have whatever opinion you want, but not your alternative facts.

[ozimoron]

I have a question from another topic. off topic for that thread. What is an anti Trump supremacist?

[candide]

21 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

rachel maddow did flat out say that the vaccine would stop covid and you couldn't transmit it. 

It was inaccurate, but harmless (quite the opposite). Not like the anti-vaccine propaganda on Fox News which actually resulted in people dying.

 

"More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened."

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

[stoner]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

It was inaccurate, but harmless (quite the opposite). Not like the anti-vaccine propaganda on Fox News which actually resulted in people dying.

 

"More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened."

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

 

good thing what you replied has nothing to do with my comment. back to tds you go now. 

Edited January 26 by stoner

[G_Money]

43 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Trrump was unable to outperform the S&P 500 since he inherited dad's money. That's not a business success story.

Really? His net worth is more than most on this thread combined, most likely.

[AlexRich]

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

He sure didn't talk them out of attacking.  Like the Bad Orange Man did.  Sometimes it's good that your adversaries think your guy is hard to predict.  Maybe even a little crazy...  Like a fox.

 

I would like to take you back to the last time that Trump met Putin. He met him without any advisor to record what was said. He left the room at the press conference looking like Putin’s lackey, head bowed in submission to his master. He then preceded to tell everyone that his intelligence service has told him Putin interfered in the US election. But as Putin told him he did not, he believes Putin? He’s an asset of the Russian state, a Manchurian candidate. 
 

And many decent Americans believe this guy is the saviour of the country? 
 

I don’t understand that at all, it’s as if a large percentage of the population have joined a cult. 
 

Trump in power will lead to dictatorship in the US, and the abolition of your Constitution. A disaster for the world and a precursor to war and misery. 
 

Wake up folks!

 

[G_Money]

39 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It's OK to express opinions. It would be nice if you occasionally found a fact to support them.

I have and recommend the same to others other than cut and paste from liberal media outlets.

[G_Money]

9 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I would like to take you back to the last time that Trump met Putin. He met him without any advisor to record what was said. He left the room at the press conference looking like Putin’s lackey, head bowed in submission to his master. He then preceded to tell everyone that his intelligence service has told him Putin interfered in the US election. But as Putin told him he did not, he believes Putin? He’s an asset of the Russian state, a Manchurian candidate. 
 

And many decent Americans believe this guy is the saviour of the country? 
 

I don’t understand that at all, it’s as if a large percentage of the population have joined a cult. 
 

Trump in power will lead to dictatorship in the US, and the abolition of your Constitution. A disaster for the world and a precursor to war and misery. 
 

Wake up folks!

 

Wake up !  We already have a dictator by the name of Biden.  Telling you what to drive, appliances to own etc etc.

 

But I’ll give credit when credit is due.  He’s not pulling the strings.  He’s not that smart.

 

Big help from Obama, Clinton’s, George Soros, Bill Gates, the clown from Facebook just to name a few.

[Yellowtail]

19 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I would like to take you back to the last time that Trump met Putin. He met him without any advisor to record what was said. He left the room at the press conference looking like Putin’s lackey, head bowed in submission to his master. He then preceded to tell everyone that his intelligence service has told him Putin interfered in the US election. But as Putin told him he did not, he believes Putin? He’s an asset of the Russian state, a Manchurian candidate. 
 

And many decent Americans believe this guy is the saviour of the country? 
 

I don’t understand that at all, it’s as if a large percentage of the population have joined a cult. 
 

Trump in power will lead to dictatorship in the US, and the abolition of your Constitution. A disaster for the world and a precursor to war and misery. 
 

Wake up folks!

 

You've got it bad dude. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, G_Money said:

Blah blah blah, all talk.  No real proof of anything.  
 

I’ve proven Senile Joe is a confirmed liar.  In his own words on film.  Pretty hard to deny that.

We have another amateur gerontologist as a member of aseannow.com.  

As for lying, most politicians will do that from time to time. So by that standard, most politicians are confirmed liars. But no politician I know of on the American scene, well, maybe with the exception of George Santos,  lies as massively and repeatedly as Trump. Quantity counts.

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2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Funny stuff.

 

You can look this up, too, or if you have a friend in Deutsche Bank, ask them

 

trump inherited $412 million from his dad. He also began receiving an allowance of $200,000 from the age of 3 until his dad died. Hardly self made. He also had to have his dad co-sign all his loans until dad died.

 

trump declared 6 bankruptcies.  And in casinos, where addicts throw money at you. The public record of those bankruptcies is amusing. He issued junk bonds and took a loan from a bank syndicate made up of 72 banks. He pledged the land and property as collateral. They ended up with 30 cents on the dollar (the taxpayer picked up the rest). He also stiffed the subcontractors.

 

Now here's something interesting....he had bank loans in NYC at that time, but they had personal guarantees, so he could not afford to stiff those banks. SO what he did was pay himself a huge salary as CEO of his NJ casinos, and also funnel junk bond funds from NJ to NYC to service his NYC bank loans. His father helped him make one debt payment in NYC by buying $3 million in chips in one of his casinos. (You can Google Fred trump $3 million casino chip purchase if you want).

 

Yea, trump is a real "self-made" guy.  As we now know from his bank and insurance fraud conviction in NY, he wasn't exactly above board.

 

Oh, and Dems blocking your vote? Did Dems put together a fake elector scheme?  Did Al Gore call his supporters to DC to stop the certification in 2000? Did Gore hold a rally on the Mall and tell his people to "fight like hell" and "march to the Capitol"? Did Gore call the SecState of Florida and tell him to "just find me...11,780 votes"?

 

To people not sniffing the trumpian vapors, it sure looks like it isn't Dems trying to block your vote. Heck, Dems would even allow outsiders to provide water to folks waiting in line for hours to vote, as most polling stations in their area had been shut down (as Repubs have done in several States like GA).

Just to be clear, he killed the real estate empire his father had built. New York banks stopped lending to him.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

We have another amateur gerontologist as a member of aseannow.com.  

As for lying, most politicians will do that from time to time. So by that standard, most politicians are confirmed liars. But no politician I know of on the American scene, well, maybe with the exception of George Santos,  lies as massively and repeatedly as Trump. Quantity counts.

I'm much more concerned by lies from the press than from politicians. 

 

[G_Money]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

We have another amateur gerontologist as a member of aseannow.com.  

As for lying, most politicians will do that from time to time. So by that standard, most politicians are confirmed liars. But no politician I know of on the American scene, well, maybe with the exception of George Santos,  lies as massively and repeatedly as Trump. Quantity counts.

Please post the proof on video . Not what Rachel says on MSNBC or Joyce on “The View “.

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, G_Money said:

Biden:  A career politician that’s achieved nothing.  Not even a real job in his lifetime.  Ask him any question other than the flavor of his ice cream and watch him break.

 

Trump:  Built an entire hotel empire.  Private enterprise.  Never in government until elected president.  A fighter to boot.

 

I know whom I will vote for.  Trump again.  It’s my right as an American citizen until Democrats (facist) try and take it away, which they are trying to do.

Been hiding under a rock much?

During his first 2 years as President, Biden had huge achievements. You may not approve of them but here they are:

 

"The first two years of the Biden administration have included huge legislative victories: a major bipartisan infrastructure deal, a technology bill, a veterans’ health bill, a gun safety bill, and a package of new investments in climate and health care."

https://archive.ph/v0hA7

[placeholder]

Just now, G_Money said:

Please post the proof on video . Not what Rachel says on MSNBC or Joyce on “The View “.

Post the proof on video? Are you one of the many right wingers here who are allergic to the written word? Why is it you people seem to have such a problem with text? Could it be because it's a lot easier to catch falsehoods that are written rather than spoken? And those of us who are reasonably literate know that it takes a lot less time read something than to watch something. Share with us some text, and then I'll dissect it for you.

[placeholder]

28 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Wake up !  We already have a dictator by the name of Biden.  Telling you what to drive, appliances to own etc etc.

 

But I’ll give credit when credit is due.  He’s not pulling the strings.  He’s not that smart.

 

Big help from Obama, Clinton’s, George Soros, Bill Gates, the clown from Facebook just to name a few.

Got any actual evidence to back that up?

 

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, G_Money said:

And what about Biden's classified documents in his garage near his corvette….silence as usual.

 

Lies and corruption.

 

“ I did not have sexual relations with that woman “. Remember that one on national television.

 

 I won’t even mention old bag Pelosi’s multi million net worth on a career civil servant salary.  Insider trading?

Whose coke in the White House?  Surprised you’re not blaming it on the black butler.

 

Shall I post Bidens blatant lies throughout the years.   All on film.   Remember bye bye Biden.

 

One who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

 

Empty allegations much. Evidence none.  Mostly irrelevant

As for Biden's classified documents. As you clearly don't know, this all began when Biden's people discovered some classified documents in his office at the University of Pennsylvania. They immediately reported it to the FBI. Subsequently, there were other searches at Biden's properties. None of which he attempted to impede in any way.  What you don't seem to understand is that it wasn't a crime to possess these documents.

 

But willful possession is. Lying about possessing them is also. That's what there's overwhelming evidence showing that's what Trump did.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

You really should stop getting your news from MSNBC and “The View “.

Perhaps as a trump supporter you can explain something that for the life of me I can’t understand.trump supporters seem to wrap themselves in the flag and espouse extremely patriotic views as they follow a New York City trust fund baby who dodged the draft a guy who rode around in daddy’s limousine to the disco nursing his bone spurs and insults pows?im thinking of senator McCain,as a carrier qualified pilot son of an admiral who ran the cactus Air Force on guadicanal during the start of that campaign finishing the war as a carrier fleet commander.senator McCain a man got his rear end beat every day in the Hanoi Hilton how does that work….how can the trump supporters condone Trump literally doing Putin’s work in regards to Ukraine?seems to me kinda ….oh I don’t know…..it just doesn’t make sense to me perhaps you can explain…..?

[Walker88]

I wonder if the trump fans here call the terrorists who attacked the Capitol on 1-6-21, people who set up a gallows to hang the VP, injured 140 cops, smashed windows, stole things, and <deleted> on the floor and wiped their feces on the Capitol wall “hostages”, or maybe “typical tourists”?

 

I wonder if someone like me had played Kyle Rittenhouse, grabbed my AR-15, and went there to ‘help law enforcement’ by gunning down some terrorists? Would I be applauded and have my legal fees paid by donations from so-called evangelicals?

 

I wonder if the trump fans support trump’s stated intent to pardon all the terrorists if re-elected?

 

Trump’s defense grows more bizarre by the day. Of course he pleaded innocent to his 91 felony indictments, but everyone from Al Capone to Jeffrey Dahmer pleads innocent. Another plank of his defense is: “if you convict me, there will be bedlam”, which rather sounds like a threat, more than a defense. I suspect trump would call his goobers to violence. Another plank is he deserves immunity because, he was like, you know, President, and how could a President act, if not immune from criminal prosecution? SOMEHOW, 44 Presidents before him seem to get things done without having immunity, and only one needed a pardon (which says President’s do not have immunity).

 

Perhaps trump’s most outrageous defense is what his crack legal team filed in Georgia: trump is innocent because he simply did not know trying to overthrow a free and fair election was illegal. (Bank robbers and murderers take note how that works in the GA courts.)

[Walker88]

38 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm much more concerned by lies from the press than from politicians. 

 

Do you mean like Fox parroting trump and Sidney Powell's lies about Dominion and Smartmatics voting machines?

 

That cost lying and slanderous Fox $787 million so far, and Fox attempts to get the Smartmatics case dropped failed, so Fox is looking at $2.7 billion if they lose.

 

Maybe you still believe the late Hugo Chavez, while dead, programmed an Italian satellite to alter the count in Dominion voting machines, as Powell alleged (though she was at least aware of enough not to argue that in court, as lies like that would have gotten her disbarred.)

 

Perhaps you have lists of lies other media has reported---and not retracted.

[Walker88]

If somehow trump wins, or the R House cheats and refuses to certify his loss, this is one thing I know we can expect:

 

Foreign intelligence services with which the US has liaison relationships will stop sharing intel. They cannot risk that any source or covert program might be compromised by someone as idiotic and self-serving as trump.

 

(Most people know trump gave away a penetration Israel had of a ME terrorist group by mouthing off to Lavrov and Kislyak; what most do not know what the outcome of his big mouth.....death.)  Friggin idiot.

 

Also, existing clandestine sources might call it quits and stop cooperating with US intelligence agents. Potential clandestine sources will also refrain from recruitment, fearing exposure and retribution to themselves and their families.

 

I know what it's like to recruit and to manage clandestine assets. I know what it's like to do 2am clandestine meetings or perform dead drops. I know the fears and concerns I had when carrying out my work, which not only had to do with my own safety, but also the safely of the assets I handled. For me, if a government apprehended me, I would just have had my fingernails pulled out. If a terrorist group got me, I likely would have lost my head. EVERY clandestine asset I recruited or handled, however, faced torture and death, as well as death to family members. I know full well how people like putin, as well as al Qaeda, deal with discovered foreign assets. The idiot trump stole documents classified HCS (Human Clandestine Sources), and that has not gone unnoticed worldwide. People now fear exposure by a clown like trump.

 

Lack of intel means the US becomes more vulnerable, both to events like December 7th and September 11th. Yes, NORAD would know if there's an incoming ICBM, but it's much better to know before the missile is armed and fired. The US will lose that capability.As for terrorism, I do not know the exact number of terrorist attacks prevented by intel received from clandestine sources or liaison, but I do know there are many. trump's idiocy puts us at risk.

 

If there is any justice and fairness in the Universe, then if attacks come as a result of lack of intelligence data, the harm will come to trump or those who support his reckless and dangerous behavior.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You've got it bad dude. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, I've got him right.