Morch Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Hamas would not exist without Natanyahu. The PA would otherweise have been the undisputed government. The stated purpose of Natanyahu's support of Hamas was to prevent Palestinian unity and to thwart a 2 state solution. . @ozimoron Why all the lies? Hamas existed before Netanyahu. The PA, at the time, was severely criticized by the public regarding corruption and being ineffective (still is). You decrying stuff like it's some give carries very little weight, just makes your forum handle more apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Hamas would not exist without Natanyahu. The PA would otherweise have been the undisputed government. The stated purpose of Natanyahu's support of Hamas was to prevent Palestinian unity and to thwart a 2 state solution. . Lol lame deflection from your previous post and my response. This is not another history lesson, this is about the genocide videos shown of Hamas at ICJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: Lol lame deflection from your previous post and my response. This is not another history lesson, this is about the genocide videos shown of Hamas at ICJ. That Hamas would not exist without Netanyahu is quite relevant to the question of the attack of October 7. There's a strong argument to be made that the atatcks would not have occurred but for 1.8 billion dollars in direct financial support intended to prevent the PA from becoming the legit Palestinian authority. It gave Netanyahu cover to refuse to negotiate with anyone while claiming there was no clear authority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 19 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That Hamas would not exist without Netanyahu is quite relevant to the question of the attack of October 7. There's a strong argument to be made that the atatcks would not have occurred but for 1.8 billion dollars in direct financial support intended to prevent the PA from becoming the legit Palestinian authority. It gave Netanyahu cover to refuse to negotiate with anyone while claiming there was no clear authority. Hamas was started in 1987 nothing to do with Netanyahu. No nothing to do with ICJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: Since Palestinians have no representative government thanks to Netanyahu, they naturally drift to the only organization who fights Israel. That doesn't make them terrorists no matter how many countries declare Hamas to be a terrorist organization. Until they are complicit in acts of terrorism or conspiracy to commit them they are not terrorists. They may be charged with belonging to a terrorist organization but that is distinct from carrying out acts of terrorism. Right now they are fighting an invading army in uniform. First of all where is Palestine? no such country exists since 1948, secondly, there's the Palestinian authority headed by Mahmud Abbas but Hamas is in big odds with Mr. Abbas largely because Iran is using Hamas as a tool to destroy Israel, thirdly, Qatar has given billions to Hamas, with Israel knowledge thinking it's being u Also UNRWA, spent billions upon billions of donation monies to pay 70% of the Palestinian population as 'refuges' while indoctrinating the children of Gaza to hate Israel and grooming them to be Hamas terrorists well after 70 years living in Gaza and the west bank, even paying and supplying well to do Palestinians, a UN agency rotten to the core... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, coolcarer said: Hamas was started in 1987 nothing to do with Netanyahu. No nothing to do with ICJ It would have ceased to exist had it not been supported by Netanyahu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, ezzra said: First of all where is Palestine? no such country exists since 1948, secondly, there's the Palestinian authority headed by Mahmud Abbas but Hamas is in big odds with Mr. Abbas largely because Iran is using Hamas as a tool to destroy Israel, thirdly, Qatar has given billions to Hamas, with Israel knowledge thinking it's being u Also UNRWA, spent billions upon billions of donation monies to pay 70% of the Palestinian population as 'refuges' while indoctrinating the children of Gaza to hate Israel and grooming them to be Hamas terrorists well after 70 years living in Gaza and the west bank, even paying and supplying well to do Palestinians, a UN agency rotten to the core... Amazing display of wilful ignorance there. You obviously believe the river to the sea belongs to Israel. Covering an area of 6,020 sq. km, the State of Palestine is a de jure sovereign state, rather than an official nation in the classical sense. Currently the "State of Palestine" is officially recognized by the United Nations as a Non-Member Observer State, a status granted on November 29. 2012. https://www.worldatlas.com/maps/palestine Edited January 28 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It would have ceased to exist had it not been supported by Netanyahu. Rubbish. Hamas started without him, it would not cease to exist had he not helped Qatar transfer its money for a few years. Iran, Qatar, it’s own money making corrupt extortion and investments made sure it would be here to stay. link to your claim it would not exist without him. Edited January 28 by coolcarer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: Rubbish. Hamas started without him, it would not cease to exist had he not helped Qatar transfer its money for a few years. Iran, Qatar, it’s own money making corrupt extortion and investments made sure it would be here to stay. Qatar could not have given anything close to a billion dollars to Hamas with Israeli complicity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Qatar could not have given anything close to a billion dollars to Hamas with Israeli complicity. More rubbish. It was sending money monthly for years before. Qatar is also not the sole financer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, coolcarer said: More rubbish. It was sending money monthly for years before. Qatar is also not the sole financer. UN money was a drop in the bucket in comparison. And strictly audited. It's reasonable to assume that the bulk of the 1.8 billion transferred was done under Netanyahu's watch over the past 14 years. It was his stated policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: UN money was a drop in the bucket in comparison. And strictly audited. It's reasonable to assume that the bulk of the 1.8 billion transferred was done under Netanyahu's watch over the past 14 years. It was his stated policy. Link to that is needed. That Israel facilitated transfers for 14 years. it is a lie. It started in 2018 and finished 2023. there is a seperate topic on Hamas financing. This is not it. Post there, I will not be aiding you disrupt this one only for the posts to then be removed. we all know you’d rather not discuss the genocide vids Hamas took. Edited January 28 by coolcarer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: Link to that is needed. That Israel facilities transfer for 14 years. it is a lie. It started in 2018 and finished 2023. there is a seperate topic on Hamas financing. This is not it. Post there, I will not be aiding you disrupt this one only for the posts to then be removed. Already linked at least twice by me. Same URL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Already linked at least twice by me. Same URL. Yea more rubbish. No links here where you have made the claim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: Yea more rubbish. No links here where you have made the claim. I have provided links several times to support the same claim. You will not harass me by repeatedly demanding links that you have declined to read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: I have provided links several times to support the same claim. You will not harass me by repeatedly demanding links that you have declined to read. Liar. No links in this topic. I will continue to ask until you provide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) off topic Edited January 28 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, coolcarer said: Liar. No links in this topic. I will continue to ask until you provide They are in a topic about the war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: They are in a topic about the war. You made a claim it’s up to you to provide a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Off topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: You made a claim it’s up to you to provide a link. The claim has been made on several occasions and I provided it a second time after being challenged for it. I'm not going to get dragged into this endless loop of trolling for links I have already provided. If you had read it you would remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: The claim has been made on several occasions and I provided it a second time after being challenged for it. I'm not going to get dragged into this endless loop of trolling for links I have already provided. If you had read it you would remember it. No pass link required to your claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 19 minutes ago, coolcarer said: No pass link required to your claim I posted it 3 times prior to today and you quoted from it once and linked to the same link here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: I posted it 3 times prior to today and you quoted from it once and linked to the same link here You first claimed Hamas would not exist with Netayaho. False you then claimed they would cease to exist without him. Also false no links provided by you to either. you are an off topic time waster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, coolcarer said: You first claimed Hamas would not exist with Netayaho. False you then claimed they would cease to exist without him. Also false no links provided by you to either. you are an off topic time waster If Netanyahu had not facilitated millions of dollars to Hamas they would have lost out to the PA and not garnered public support, nor could they have bought gazillions fo weapons and or dug miles of tunnels. It's like common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: If Netanyahu had not facilitated millions of dollars to Hamas they would have lost out to the PA and not garnered public support, nor could they have bought gazillions fo weapons and or dug miles of tunnels. It's like common sense. Lol. You call that a links. Have you researched or looked at how they get money apart from Qatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, coolcarer said: Lol. You call that a links. Have you researched or looked at how they get money apart from Qatar. Trivial amounts which is highly audited. As opposed to massive amounts from Qatar which wasn't audited. So much money that Netanyahu's henchmen saw fit to escort it to Hamas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Trivial amounts which is highly audited. As opposed to massive amounts from Qatar which wasn't audited. So much money that Netanyahu's henchmen saw fit to escort it to Hamas. Iran has long been Hamas's primary benefactor, with the U.S. putting regular funding from Tehran at roughly $100 million a year. Hamas also has earned income from a global investment portfolio, raised money through charitable organizations, and skimmed off funds from official foreign aid and tax revenues in Gaza link provided to you in other topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, coolcarer said: Iran has long been Hamas's primary benefactor, with the U.S. putting regular funding from Tehran at roughly $100 million a year. Hamas also has earned income from a global investment portfolio, raised money through charitable organizations, and skimmed off funds from official foreign aid and tax revenues in Gaza link provided to you in other topic Nope, Qatar at 360 million a year in the cash suitcases alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, ozimoron said: Nope, Qatar at 360 million a year in the cash suitcases alone. Here topic for you. This is not it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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