Popular Post Social Media Posted January 29 Popular Post Share Posted January 29 With the conflict in Ukraine ongoing, tensions between NATO and Russia remain high. Senior generals within the alliance are urging member states to prepare for the possibility of Russian missile strikes targeting critical infrastructure across Europe, including Germany. This article delves into the concerns, potential scenarios, and challenges faced by NATO in the face of this emerging threat. A Three-Year Window of Opportunity: While Russia's military focus is currently concentrated on Ukraine, concerns linger regarding its next move. NATO leaders warn of a potential three-year window during which the alliance must solidify its defenses against a possible Russian offensive. Vulnerable Supply Lines and Infrastructure: A key concern lies in the potential targeting of vital supply lines and infrastructure necessary for sustaining a war effort. Germany, acting as a central "turntable" for NATO's reinforcement in Europe, could be heavily targeted. Potential targets range from munitions factories and command centers to power plants, bridges, and railways. Lessons Learned from Ukraine: The ongoing war in Ukraine serves as a stark reminder of the potential impact of such strikes. Russia has launched airstrikes well beyond the frontlines, highlighting the vulnerability of logistical hubs. This underscores the need for NATO to adapt its strategies and infrastructure to withstand similar attacks. Challenges and Roadblocks: Several challenges hinder NATO's preparedness: Overcoming Bureaucratic Hurdles: Complex regulations restricting the movement of troops and equipment across borders pose a significant obstacle. Streamlining these processes is crucial for efficient response in a crisis. Ensuring Equipment Compatibility: Differences in regulations and standards among member states create issues with equipment interoperability. This limits flexibility and hinders the use of allied equipment, even when functionally identical. Protecting Against Hybrid Warfare: The potential for cyberattacks, sabotage, and electronic warfare adds another layer of complexity to the equation. Robust defenses against these threats are essential. Call to Action: NATO generals emphasize the urgency of action. They urge member states to: Invest in bolstering deterrence capabilities and logistical resilience. Prioritize streamlining cross-border regulations and equipment compatibility. Develop robust measures to counter hybrid warfare threats. A Race Against Time: With a potential window of opportunity closing, swift and decisive action is paramount. By addressing these challenges and strengthening its preparedness, NATO can better deter and, if necessary, respond to potential Russian aggression in Europe. Remember, this is just a 500-word summary of the original article. It does not include all the details and nuances of the original text. I encourage you to read the full article for a more comprehensive understanding of the topic. 30.01.24 Source 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 11 hours ago, Social Media said: With the conflict in Ukraine ongoing, tensions between NATO and Russia remain high. Senior generals within the alliance are urging member states to prepare for the possibility of Russian missile strikes targeting critical infrastructure across Europe, including Germany. Oh, the sabre rattling is getting louder by the day. I'm absolutely sure that in their minds Russia is getting ready to commit mass suicide by launching an attack on Europe. I'm also absolutely sure that they are demented. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Oh, the sabre rattling is getting louder by the day. I'm absolutely sure that in their minds Russia is getting ready to commit mass suicide by launching an attack on Europe. I'm also absolutely sure that they are demented. @thaibeachlovers You're a poster who gets his news from a limited range of media outlets. You're also publicly biased and holding an anti-Western stance. You make all them strong pronouncements based on not-very-much. But sure, 'they' are 'demented'. Edited January 30 by Morch 4 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johng Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Morch said: You're a poster who gets his news from a limited range of media outlets. You're also publicly biased and holding an anti-Western stance Maybe he listens to media outlets that are giving an alternative/opposing view of events rather than those espoused on "Western" world view bias mainstream media. You seem to be publicly biased and holding a "Western" stance 2 2 1 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Oh, the sabre rattling is getting louder by the day. I'm absolutely sure that in their minds Russia is getting ready to commit mass suicide by launching an attack on Europe. I'm also absolutely sure that they are demented. Yep, sure. NATO's whole military command is demented. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Oh, the sabre rattling is getting louder by the day. I'm absolutely sure that in their minds Russia is getting ready to commit mass suicide by launching an attack on Europe. I'm also absolutely sure that they are demented. IMHO the only demented people are Putin, his war cabinet and his yes men advisors. Putin and Russia believed that the Ukraine would be a pushover, NATO and the West would stand idly by and it would all be over by Christmas. That didn't work and now Putin really only has nuclear weapons as his reserve, and once again, IMHO I don't think that his military advisors would recommend using them. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 35 minutes ago, johng said: Maybe he listens to media outlets that are giving an alternative/opposing view of events rather than those espoused on "Western" world view bias mainstream media. You seem to be publicly biased and holding a "Western" stance Define 'alternative'. Does it include state controlled, owned venues? Those not much invested in corroborating their stories? Those relying on dodgy sources? I am biased toward a more Western oriented point of view, sure. But I don't beat the drum about it on every topic, nor do I treat everything published, claimed or stated as gospel. All that said, poster saying those more informed than him being 'demented' is not much of a comment. 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 Anyone falling for this silliness ... "Senior generals within the alliance are urging member states to prepare for the possibility of Russian missile strikes targeting critical infrastructure across Europe, including Germany." 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Anyone falling for this silliness ... "Senior generals within the alliance are urging member states to prepare for the possibility of Russian missile strikes targeting critical infrastructure across Europe, including Germany." Da, comrade LA. 🙂 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Da, comrade LA. 🙂 Aside from the fact, it's never going to happen ... IMHO ... no idiot (Putin is not) is going to attempt to fight 2 fronts/enemies at the same time. No reason, no positive, nothing to gain from it. It's just ridiculous to even suggest it. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Aside from the fact, it's never going to happen ... IMHO ... no idiot (Putin is not) is going to attempt to fight 2 fronts/enemies at the same time. No reason, no positive, nothing to gain from it. It's just ridiculous to even suggest it. One could apply the same reasoning to his invasion of Ukraine, despite his denials. Do you think he'd invade again now if he had a redo? His strategy now is to hang on and hope Trump wins so he'll nobble nato. Otherwise he'll release the tapes. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: One could apply the same reasoning to his invasion of Ukraine, despite his denials. Do you think he'd invade again now if he had a redo? His strategy now is to hang on and hope Trump wins so he'll nobble nato. Otherwise he'll release the tapes. Yes, he'd do the same, and he's almost accomplished his agenda. Might of been a bit more strategic with taking out top UA gov't & military officials, and then crossed the border. Think it would have been a smarter move. Obviously got a bit more ground resistance than expected, along with being resupplied from afar. ... Oops 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Yes, he'd do the same, and he's almost accomplished his agenda. Might of been a bit more strategic with taking out top UA gov't & military officials, and then crossed the border. Think it would have been a smarter move. Obviously got a bit more ground resistance than expected, along with being resupplied from afar. ... Oops He's not gaining ground in Ukraine to speak of. By next year Ukraine will have more weapons including F16's which will immediately give them air superiority which they don't currently have. Also Ukraine is ramping up drone production. 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 12 minutes ago, ozimoron said: He's not gaining ground in Ukraine to speak of. By next year Ukraine will have more weapons including F16's which will immediately give them air superiority which they don't currently have. Also Ukraine is ramping up drone production. F16s won't give Ukraine air superiority as Russia as the ability to shoot down these planes just as Ukraine as the ability to shoot down Russian planes, but what they will provide is more protection from the glide missiles that the Russians are deploying from a high altitude. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BenStark Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, ozimoron said: Yep, sure. NATO's whole military command is demented. Nobody said NATO command is demented, but regardless of a Norwegian being the leader, we all know who rules NATO and there is plenty of evidence of his dementia. Come on wokes, let the sad and confused emojis come 3 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 10 hours ago, billd766 said: IMHO the only demented people are Putin, his war cabinet and his yes men advisors. Putin and Russia believed that the Ukraine would be a pushover, NATO and the West would stand idly by and it would all be over by Christmas. That didn't work and now Putin really only has nuclear weapons as his reserve, and once again, IMHO I don't think that his military advisors would recommend using them. You may be right about that, but he and his cronies were not the people I was talking about. IMO senior military types like war, as it makes them feel important, and they are never the ones going home in a bag. I was in the military, so I do know something about the officer class, and I wasn't impressed back then and that hasn't changed. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, KhunLA said: Aside from the fact, it's never going to happen ... IMHO ... no idiot (Putin is not) is going to attempt to fight 2 fronts/enemies at the same time. No reason, no positive, nothing to gain from it. It's just ridiculous to even suggest it. Is it always a fact that when anyone attempts to inject a bit of sense into a conversation about Russia we are always met with the same BS about being a communist sympathiser? I guess they don't have anything to say other than insults. 2 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, ozimoron said: He's not gaining ground in Ukraine to speak of. By next year Ukraine will have more weapons including F16's which will immediately give them air superiority which they don't currently have. Also Ukraine is ramping up drone production. You assume much. You may have missed it but there is an election in the US later this year and that might change things somewhat. Otherwise the GOP might decide it's a waste of money better spent on US infrastructure, or the Russians might have better ground to air missiles capable of destroying the F16s and drones. All those vaunted Leopard tanks that were going to "win the war" didn't amount to much, did they? It's always a mistake to think that nothing changes in a war. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 30 Popular Post Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, ozimoron said: He's not gaining ground in Ukraine to speak of. By next year Ukraine will have more weapons including F16's which will immediately give them air superiority which they don't currently have. Also Ukraine is ramping up drone production. Oh my my my, you obviously hadn't read the very next thread on the Ukraine sub forum titled "Divided US Threatens Ukraine's Fragile Gains, NATO Chief Warns". Sort of threatens your perspective, doesn't it? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johng Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 15 hours ago, ozimoron said: His strategy now is to hang on and hope Trump wins so he'll nobble nato. Otherwise he'll release the tapes. He has largely achieved the stated aim of securing the Donbass region which had been under attack from Kyiv since the 2014 Maiden coup. Who will release tapes ? 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 hours ago, ozimoron said: Ukraine will have more weapons including F16's which will According to "the leader of the free world" lead to WWIII !!!! https://www.itv.com/news/2022-03-11/us-accuses-russia-of-using-un-council-for-spreading-disinformation https://nypost.com/2022/03/11/thats-called-world-war-iii-biden-defends-decision-not-to-send-jets-to-ukraine/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 hours ago, BenStark said: Nobody said NATO command is demented, but regardless of a Norwegian being the leader, we all know who rules NATO and there is plenty of evidence of his dementia. Come on wokes, let the sad and confused emojis come I take those type of emojis as a badge of honour which means my post is over the target. That said there should just be 2 a +1 and maybe a similar counter for sad. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhounan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 West countries readiness for a war is ZERO. We're deindustrializing ourself since the Eighties. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, johng said: He has largely achieved the stated aim of securing the Donbass region which had been under attack from Kyiv since the 2014 Maiden coup. It seems you might have some misunderstanding about the events that unfolded in Ukraine in 2014, After the Ukrainian parliament voted to sign up to the EU, protests erupted when President Yanukovych rejected the deal under pressure from Putin. The Maidan was not a coup, but an uprising of the people. In fact, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0, which is about 73% of the parliament’s 450 members. Following these events, Putin’s invaded both Crimea and the Donbas. Kyiv did not take kindly to the invasion and shelled Putin's forces in the Donbas. Revolution of Dignity - Wikipedia 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 53 minutes ago, LosLobo said: The Maidan was not a coup, but an uprising of the people. A colour revolution then ? egged on by the usual suspect ? 55 minutes ago, LosLobo said: Kyiv did not take kindly to the invasion and shelled Putin's forces in the Donbas. So they have been attacking the region since 2014 as I stated ? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 20 minutes ago, johng said: A colour revolution then ? egged on by the usual suspect ? So they have been attacking the region since 2014 as I stated ? I don't know who the usual suspect is. No, you stated 'since the 2014 Maiden coup'. As I have already explained it wasn't a coup. Maidan finished in February 2014 when Yanukovych was ousted. Putin invaded later in April 2014 and Kyiv started attacking after that. Edited January 31 by LosLobo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveAustin Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 Load of old tosh. In what universe would this happen? Even if legit, that little man would bark and then suddenly agree a peace deal because seriously encroaching on NATO territory (even if donkey Trump were to walk away--USA gains huge advantages from being in, it's not all about money) would result in massive loss of face for the little man, after which he would likely turn to his predictable nuke talk again. Child! 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, LosLobo said: I don't know who the usual suspect is. Think of a country with 800 odd military bases spread all over the globe...who could it be ? 12 minutes ago, LosLobo said: Putin invaded later in April 2014 and Kyiv started attacking after that. So they have been attacking since 2014 as I stated ? 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 hours ago, johng said: He has largely achieved the stated aim of securing the Donbass region which had been under attack from Kyiv since the 2014 Maiden coup. Who will release tapes ? What tapes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 15 hours ago, zhounan said: West countries readiness for a war is ZERO. We're deindustrializing ourself since the Eighties. Even Britain has been running the military down since BAOR ended. Can't imagine any of the EU nations, except possibly France having one capable of winning against Russia without nukes, and then it's MAD. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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