Popular Post Walker88 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 It is farcical for anyone to think a nation with a $30,000,000,000,000 GDP should be based on an alibi gone horribly wrong: "Joey, I swear! God did it." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, fredwiggy said: Laws are meant to be judged, changed, adjusted. First part is ridding the world, congress, everywhere, of narcissist leaders. That takes time, as they have a lot of power and money behind the. Trump is one of them, voted in by half of my family and spurned by the other. I saw him for what he was years ago, and some can't see this. A lot think a lot of money made means you're smart, good, slick, whatever. It can also mean sly, scammer, liar, cheater and a friend of the same. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 36 minutes ago, retarius said: The term Christian is misused almost all of the time. Personally I believe in Jesus' teachings but I abhor organised religion of any sort. The Sermon on the mount is the peak of morals and ethics for me. But Jesus came to sweep away the Old Testament and its 10 commandments. But todays' American Christians know nothing of Jesus' teachings, and are fed the Jewish version ie the Old Testament a Vengeful Good and a vengeful way of life. They value warmongering and 'nuking' 'em' policies. So what this really means is 'Jewish nationalist agenda' and is nothing about 'Christian nationalism' or 'Christian values'. There is no escaping this, because the words right out of Jesus' mouth were 'blessed are the peacemakers' not "blessed are the warmakers and the Military Industrial Complex for they shall make money" If that's the case why is the old testament still on the books? Religion isn't the problem here, it's the self professed religious who distort the message. 34 minutes ago, retarius said: Did Jesus preach hating anyone? No, he didn't. Sorry pal but you are the hypocrite pretending to be a Christian. The point of the article was that Christian nationalists are not just preaching the faith. They want to use religion to gain political power and exclude other religions and the irreligious. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, EastBayRay said: This is good to hear. christianity and love of your country are 2 bedrocks of our great USA Yeah well there 0-2 in those categories. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charleskerins Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: If that's the case why is the old testament still on the books? Religion isn't the problem here, it's the self professed religious who distort the message. The point of the article was that Christian nationalists are not just preaching the faith. They want to use religion to gain political power and exclude other religions and the irreligious. guy said he would vote for Hitler over Biden he's a waste of time 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charleskerins Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, JonnyF said: You must know an awful lot of people. I know what a Christian is ,there is no such thing as a Christian Conservative and no Christian would support the orange one. I went to a Christian grade school ,a Christian High School and a Christian college. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, JonnyF said: Possibly killing 2 birds with one stone. America is a predominantly Christian country so politically it would make sense to appeal to those with Christian values. It's not like he's the first one to do it. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/23/us/biden-catholic-christian.html Christianity goes to the core values of my countries founding, Laws were designed and influenced by a higher power. Screw the atheists and the non assimilated Marxist. Go find another society to divide. Imop George Washington: The “security of a free Constitution,” he said, depends on “teaching the people themselves to know and to value their own rights; to discern and provide against invasions of them; to distinguish between oppression and the necessary exercise of lawful authority; . . . to discriminate the spirit of liberty from that of licentiousness,” and to unite “a speedy, but temperate vigilance against encroachments, with an inviolable respect for the laws.” If citizens start to take liberty for granted, if their culture — molded by journalists and writers, preachers and teachers — starts to hold other values in higher esteem, then the spirit that gives life to the Constitution will flicker out. Americans, Washington wrote on another occasion, should guard against “listlessness for the preservation of natural and unalienable rights,” for “no mound of parchm[en]t can be so formed as to stand against the sweeping torrent of boundless ambition on the one side, aided by the sapping current of corrupted morals on the other.” https://manhattan.institute/article/the-vision-of-the-founding-fathers 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charleskerins Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 23 minutes ago, riclag said: Christianity goes to the core values of my countries founding, Laws were designed and influenced by a higher power. Screw the atheists and the non assimilated Marxist. Go find another society to divide. Imop George Washington: The “security of a free Constitution,” he said, depends on “teaching the people themselves to know and to value their own rights; to discern and provide against invasions of them; to distinguish between oppression and the necessary exercise of lawful authority; . . . to discriminate the spirit of liberty from that of licentiousness,” and to unite “a speedy, but temperate vigilance against encroachments, with an inviolable respect for the laws.” If citizens start to take liberty for granted, if their culture — molded by journalists and writers, preachers and teachers — starts to hold other values in higher esteem, then the spirit that gives life to the Constitution will flicker out. Americans, Washington wrote on another occasion, should guard against “listlessness for the preservation of natural and unalienable rights,” for “no mound of parchm[en]t can be so formed as to stand against the sweeping torrent of boundless ambition on the one side, aided by the sapping current of corrupted morals on the other.” https://manhattan.institute/article/the-vision-of-the-founding-fathers He wasn't talking about Marxists (Give me a fing break) or atheists ,he was describing what is going on now in America .He also didn't say the part above about journalists and writers try some research - Here is what he did say "Nor am I less persuaded that you will agree with me in opinion that there is nothing which can better deserve your patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness. In one in which the measures of government receive their impressions so immediately from the sense of the community as in ours it is proportionably essential. To the security of a free constitution it contributes in various ways - by convincing those who are intrusted with the public administration that every valuable end of government is best answered by the enlightened confidence of the people, and by teaching the people themselves to know and to value their own rights; to discern and provide against invasions of them; to distinguish between oppression and the necessary exercise of lawful authority; between burthens proceeding from a disregard to their convenience and those resulting from the inevitable exigencies of society; to discriminate the spirit of liberty from that of licentiousness - cherishing the first, avoiding the last - and uniting a speedy but temperate vigilance against encroachments, with an inviolable respect to the laws." Quite different , sad that people try to add quotes to fit their agenda well as you can see Washington valued science and literature. "knowledge is in every country the surest base of public happiness" 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, stevenl said: You really think they're doing this to get the lefties riled up? Not because they want to infuse Christian Nationalism into American politics? All it will do is motivate the unaffiliated to vote against him. Lefties will be laughing all the way to the white house 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: If that's the case why is the old testament still on the books? Religion isn't the problem here, it's the self professed religious who distort the message. The point of the article was that Christian nationalists are not just preaching the faith. They want to use religion to gain political power and exclude other religions and the irreligious. In general, religion is not in itself the problem. The problem is people using religion to have some power and exert it on others (here and in most cases in the world and in history). And it's often mean and incompetent people who do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 (edited) 33 minutes ago, charleskerins said: He wasn't talking about Marxists (Give me a fing break) or atheists ,he was describing what is going on now in America .He also didn't say the part above about journalists and writers try some research - Here is what he did say "Nor am I less persuaded that you will agree with me in opinion that there is nothing which can better deserve your patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness. In one in which the measures of government receive their impressions so immediately from the sense of the community as in ours it is proportionably essential. To the security of a free constitution it contributes in various ways - by convincing those who are intrusted with the public administration that every valuable end of government is best answered by the enlightened confidence of the people, and by teaching the people themselves to know and to value their own rights; to discern and provide against invasions of them; to distinguish between oppression and the necessary exercise of lawful authority; between burthens proceeding from a disregard to their convenience and those resulting from the inevitable exigencies of society; to discriminate the spirit of liberty from that of licentiousness - cherishing the first, avoiding the last - and uniting a speedy but temperate vigilance against encroachments, with an inviolable respect to the laws." Quite different , sad that people try to add quotes to fit their agenda well as you can see Washington valued science and literature. "knowledge is in every country the surest base of public happiness" God bless America and in God we Trust! To those who hate God & Christ ,what ever, thats on you. To those who hate the Constitution as it is ,my country and the values it was founded on, to bad. I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Edited February 23 by riclag 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, riclag said: God bless America and in God we Trust! To those who hate God & Christ ,what ever, thats on you. To those who hate the Constitution as it is ,my country and the values it was founded on, to bad. I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. What about indigenous Americans? Hard cheese? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, riclag said: God bless America and in God we Trust! To those who hate God & Christ ,what ever, thats on you. To those who hate the Constitution as it is ,my country and the values it was founded on, to bad. I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Do you know how many times "God" is mentioned in the body of the Constitution? If your answer is greater than zero, then you're wrong. You think the founding fathers just forgot to put it in? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charleskerins Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 No response to falsely attributing comments to George Washington ? under God is not in the original pledge drumpf and his followers don't respect the Constitution They are the ones Washington was warning about Jesus - In Luke 12:33, Jesus commands his disciples to sell what they have and give alms, and in Luke 14:33 says that no one can be his disciple who has not forsaken all his possessions. Historians generally confirm the view that a form of communism was taught by Jesus and practised by the apostles. Damn Marxist No true follower of Jesus would vote Republican in America 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: Do you know how many times "God" is mentioned in the body of the Constitution? If your answer is greater than zero, then you're wrong. You think the founding fathers just forgot to put it in? The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, affirmed his conviction that Jesus was not divine, but "a Teacher of Common Sense," primarily concerned with morality and ethical conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, charleskerins said: The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, affirmed his conviction that Jesus was not divine, but "a Teacher of Common Sense," primarily concerned with morality and ethical conduct. I assume you're referring to Thomas Jefferson who had his own version of the New testament printed without any references to the miracles that Jesus supposedly performed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, placeholder said: I assume you're referring to Thomas Jefferson who had his own version of the New testament printed without any references to the miracles that Jesus supposedly performed. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, charleskerins said: No response to falsely attributing comments to George Washington ? under God is not in the original pledge drumpf and his followers don't respect the Constitution They are the ones Washington was warning about Jesus - In Luke 12:33, Jesus commands his disciples to sell what they have and give alms, and in Luke 14:33 says that no one can be his disciple who has not forsaken all his possessions. Historians generally confirm the view that a form of communism was taught by Jesus and practised by the apostles. Damn Marxist No true follower of Jesus would vote Republican in America I believe he also said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scottiejohn Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, placeholder said: I believe he also said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. There is certainly no chance of Tump ever entering the kingdom of heaven! I am not even sure that the devil would accept the orange blob! 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walker88 Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, riclag said: God bless America and in God we Trust! To those who hate God & Christ ,what ever, thats on you. To those who hate the Constitution as it is ,my country and the values it was founded on, to bad. I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. You really have no clue about the founding principles of the USA. Zero. Not once does the word god or gods appear in the Constitution. John Adams specifically said the US is not a Christian country. Madison and Jefferson specifically put freedom of and from religion in the 1st Amendment. People can choose whatever faith they want, or no faith at all. Few of the Founders believed in any god. They wanted neither gods nor a king in the nation they built. The Pledge did not exist in the 18th Century, and only in the 1950s, during the McCarthy Era, was 'under god' added. The Founders bent over backwards to keep any and all religions out of the government and law. Edited February 23 by Walker88 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Walker88 said: You really have no clue about the founding principles of the USA. Zero. Not once does the word god or gods appear in the Constitution. John Adams specifically said the US is not a Christian country. Madison and Jefferson specifically put freedom of and from religion in the 1st Amendment. People can choose whatever faith they want, or no faith at all. Few of the Founders believed in any god. They wanted neither gods nor a king in the nation they built. The Pledge did not exist in the 18th Century, and only in the 1950s, during the McCarthy Era, was 'under god' added. The Founders bent over backwards to keep any and all religions out of the government and law. And this is from James Madison, also known as the Father of the Constitution: "Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion." https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/hannity-repeated-misleading-claim-james-madison-hired-first-chaplain-united-states https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/04-01-02-0549 Edited February 23 by placeholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicurious Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 13 hours ago, JonnyF said: America is a predominantly Christian country + 13 hours ago, Walker88 said: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.". ---John Adams It seems the Founding Fathers disagree with you. = Just to clarify. That's from Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, not just signed by then President, founding father John Adams in 1796 but importantly also ratified without debate unanimously by the Senate. So that wasn't even just one founding father; rather, that was the entire United States government in the times of the founding of this great nation declaring that the USA is NOT a Christian country.* This is also highlighted in President founding father Thomas Jefferson's letter** to the Baptists explaining that establishment of religion means separation of church and state: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." (bolding mine) *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli **https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Letter_to_the_Danbury_Baptists_-_January_1,_1802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 And now Trump as the ant-christ. It gets better every day and it’s going to be hard top that one From a credible government news source: Utube. I thought it’s not allowed. I’m putting my money on AOC and the Squad as the anti-christ. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 9 hours ago, placeholder said: I assume you're referring to Thomas Jefferson who had his own version of the New testament printed without any references to the miracles that Jesus supposedly performed. The same founding father that stated “All men are created equal “ while owning slaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bendejo Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 Mike Flynn has been touring the country for the past 2 years selling this god and country amalgam. I expect some sort of fireworks from him and his at the GOP convention in July. Our Miz Boebert picked up on it some time last year without realizing what she was getting into. I've been waiting for mention of his emergence in the media this election year, and a few days ago a political columnist brought him up. Big problem is people having personal conversations with god, two-way dialog. Met a nutter from Norway a few years back, traveling the world going to destinations that god tells him to. The current Speaker of the House also has conversations with god. Ooooo, god just said something to me! He said he wants everybody who reads this to give my post the thumbs-up. He also told me to set up a gofundme and that everyone should donate lots of money to it and he'll give you a special blessing. Gotta run now and set that up. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, G_Money said: The same founding father that stated “All men are created equal “ while owning slaves. If you're going to make slave-owning a decisive criterion as far as authors go, then that pretty much invalidates the entire Constitution including the Bill of Rights. Woke much? Edited February 23 by placeholder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted February 24 Popular Post Share Posted February 24 The Seven Mountain Mandate deals with the mandate to Christians to take dominion over the so-called seven spheres of influence in our modern times. Each of these spheres is referred to as a mountain and many who claim to be modern apostles and prophets have been prophesying that Christianity will conquer these ‘mountains’ before Jesus returns to earth. Prominent followers Mike Johnson, Republican Congressman from Louisiana and Speaker of the House[7] Rafael Cruz, pastor and father of Senator Ted Cruz[2] Paula White, spiritual advisor to Donald Trump[3] Andrew Wommack, evangelical leader[8][9] Lauren Boebert, US House member[10] Michele Bachmann, U.S. representative for Minnesota's 6th congressional district from 2007 until 2015.[11] Tom Parker, Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouatchee Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 geeez.... is the next step to look like the movie "The Purge"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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G_Money Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Interesting! https://www.foxnews.com/media/reporter-lashes-claiming-christian-nationalists-believe-rights-come-god 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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